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I know I can’t help it, when I get into something (i.e an argument) I just can’t shut up lol

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I’m just saying, I can’t handle something that long cuz I get crazy too.

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Oh well, I made my point and that’s what matters. How come your come backs are always so short anyways?

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I’m in a computer technology class and I don’t have a lot of time.

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Oh right cool, so does everyone in the class go on this site or just you?

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I think I’m the only kid in this damn school that knows about it. ha ha

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Lol lucky you then! What are you hoping to do after finishing the computer course thing? Run microsoft or something

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No, I’ll probably do nothing but outlaw work. Become a fugitive and repent against the system. You?

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Lol Yeah same probably. I got to go I’ll talk to you another time though, cya

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Clare:
I never said that your upbringing was christian, to me it just seems you were brought up very liberal, whether christian or not. Quick question, if you think all killing is wrong, why was it you were arguing ON the side of abortion? And if the killer wasn’t killed how would that bring my uncle back? Would not killing his murderer suddenly bring my uncle back to life? Would god just all of a sudden say “aw HESH, you’ve been such a good boy by forgiving your uncles murderer, here he is again”? I dont think so, at least with him dead i can feel some sense of justice, instead of thinking myself morally superior because i took the quote unquote high road.

I’m sorry if you thought i was showing disdane for your trying to persuade me, but at the time you seemed to be preaching. Not the individual religion *snicker* have you READ the bible? That book promotes some strange shit. Let’s see if i can remember it right, last i checked the bible promoted, not being able to divorce, stoning women for commiting adultery, not being able to use contraceptives of any kind, burning witches, hatred of gay people, the list goes on and on, but you get the point. Oh yeah, and ejaculation without the intention to impregnate.

And how do you know that they DO feel guilty? Yes, incarcerated in 4 walls, but, as i said before, being in prison for some people could be preferable to their life outside of prison, so their not really being punished are they?

Agreed that there is police brutality, but last time i checked the average time a prisoner spends on death row HERE is somewhere between 6 months, to 10 years, because there are things called apeals, and when their filed, they make it so the prisoner is put off being executed for a time.

I know the bible is not literal, and i really dont think like that, i was just being a wise ass. But i still think that the bible can be to ambiguous, because people argue about what the same verse means, some people think one verse is against gays, other people say it’s for gays, and another group says it’s against everyone else that isn’t christian.

Yes of course im sick to think that women can be “spayed”, yes of course, but of course no one objects to a man having a vasectomy. Of course women have urges to be mothers, animals do to, but stong emotional ties to being pregnant? Is that why women get abortions? Yes of course i want to always be SO macho, thats why i lie around the house, and dont do jack, and have yet to care enough to even go to a gyms parking lot, of course it makes so much sense now. And no, your right, love isn’t what i said it was, but it is still not some kind of “mystical” force or anything, it’s a feeling caused by nerve impulses, especially since both animals and humans seem to exhibit it.

Animals dont have the same need or want to have children as humans do? Dont think so, if animals didn’t need to have children, there would BE no animals. As for a want, they do indeed have a want, because thats what makes them do it in the first place.

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I agree with you on the animals part. And that’s what I meant. people take religion seriously, and that’s one of the reasons why there was the war of the crusades.

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Abortion isn’t the same as killing a person because the baby isn’t even alive in the first place it hasn’t been born yet so it’s not’s the same. I was just meaning either way your uncle doesn’t come backand I think killing the person is unneccesary. People in Britain (where the law is banned now) feel just the same justice when the prisoner isn’t killed.
Okay, well I’m sorry if I came across as preaching I didn’t mean to. It depends what part of the bible your reading, the old testament was extremely judgemental of... well everything. Though that’s the same in all cultures they still stone women for adultury in some countries even now.

Well how do you know that they DON’T feel guilty? No-one knows so lets get rid of that point from the argument ok.

Well then what’s the point of the death penalty if their in prison for up to ten years anyway you might aswell keep them there.
The death penalty is banned in most places now so don’t you think that’s a pretty good reason, it shows that most people are against it.

Well I’m sorry but that is a bit of a sick thought, men choose to have vasectamies no-one forces them too. Women have abortions because they either couldn’t care for the child either mentally, physically or financially, or they’ve been raped etc. It’s their choice it shouldn’t be anyone elses choice but theirs.

Well animals are spayed all the time and they don’t encounter depression or have any mental breakdowns, so they can’t really be that arsed about having children. Ok so they do need to have them to keep the world turning but it’s not essential to their well being which it is most of the time for humans.

I think you’ve been watching too many disney films if you think that animals fall in love just like humans, yes so their is chemical reactions inside the brain etc, but it’s not the same as loving a person.

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By law the baby is alive the moment the sperm enters the egg, you may not think it is alive, but the law states that it is. Yes indeed either way my uncle is still dead, but at least I got some personal satisfaction in his death.
Agreed, some countries do still stone women.

Yes keeping them in prison for the rest of their life makes PERFECT sense, makes about the same amount of sense as letting them go after 2 years because the’ve “suffered enough”. Being able to keep yourself alive for 10 years in prison is a quirk in our law institutions, which i might add, are overdue for an overhaul.

True no one makes men have vasectomies now, but no one forces women to be “spayed” now either. It was just an idea on how to keep the population under control, if it really bothers you that much, why not follow china’s idea and limit the number of offspring you can have, or be like the idea in 3001 the final odessy, and make people pay for children.

How do you know that animals dont have mental breakdowns or experience depression? If you look at a pet before and after they are spayed, you WILL notice a difference in the way they act, and the things they do. How is it essential for humans? “Yes i want to go through an incredable amount of pain or else im going to go insane."

Actually it’s been proven that animals can love, in quite a few studies of some of the more intelligent animals, it was shown that once they pick a mate, most stick with that mate until one of them dies, how is that not love? Also animals love their young, their willing to give up their life to protect their offspring, how is that not love? And i take offense to the disney comment, i LOATH disney, because walt disney is still alive and living under disneyworld in orlando, living off a steady supply of cuban children.

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Ok fine I contradict myself, but I still think there’s a difference between killing someone who has lived a life, breathed in oxygen to getting rid of something that is only alive by law. I thought that the baby is was only alive “by law” at the 24th week satge because you can’t get an abortion after this point or something?
I thought I heard that on the news but I could be wrong.

Look ,the death penalty is practically banned everywhere, and it probably wont be long before it is banned everywhere. It’s inevitable.

I’m not really bothered about the population amounts right now, I just thought that the idea of spaying women is not right. I mean if anyone tryed to spay me I’d fucking hit them.

My cat was spayed ages ago and shes fine now, except she was hit by a car last week and lost a leg, but apart from that she’s fine. They might act differently for a while but animals don’t feel the same amount of emotions as us, just like they don’t know the difference between right and wrong. Were completely different to animals genetically and mentally.

It’s not like that, the pain isn’t something that would matter in the slightest, it’s the fact that women are physically meant for child birth, and there’s just something that gives them the mothering instinct. Like men with the macho instinct.

Love isn’t just about sticking with someone throughout life, it goes waaaay deeper than that.
Lol you don’t even like Bambi? Or Dumbo? I mean c’mon Dumbo is cute as hell.

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I BELIEVE THAT ALL BRITISH AND CANADIEN PEOPLE SHOULD BE THROWN IN A GIANT PILE OF FECES, AND THEN LIT ON FIRE.

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Clare:
Hmmm, yeah something like that, i heard that 24 weeks for abortions thing too.

Everywhere where? Last i heard almost half the states still had it on the books, whether they enforce it or not is another matter. And other countries still have death penalties as well.

You should be bothered about the population, right now the world has 6 billion people and has enough resources to support only 3 or 4 billion, so what’s gonna happen to the rest of them? If spaying women isn’t right then what is? Spaying men doesn’t work because 1 man can get many women pregnant, so what’s the only other alternative? Throwing extra babies down a hill?

Right, your cat got back to normal, because life goes on, animals know that, animals dont really have a chance to sulk, if they spend to much time being depressed about stuff they’ll probly die. Dont feel the same amount of emotions as us? Last i checked animals felt anger, fear, love, happiness, and so on, so is there some kind of emotion guage that shows us that animals dont feel the same amount as we do?

Clare, saying that is pretty much saying that all women are made for is giving birth, and both you and i know that that’s not true. Yeah, that thing of having a motherly instinct is called hormones, it’s the same thing that makes males want to feel “macho” as you called it.

Like i said before animals are willing to die for their young, what could be way deeper than that?
Lol, no i dont like disney movies at all, because walt disney eats cuban children.

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Well then if the 24 weeks thing IS true that means that it’s not actually killing the baby until after the 24 week stage. This is why you can’t have an abortion after that period.

Yeah that’s true but it doesn’t make it right. I don’t know, I just find it really hard to think that killing someone is okay, whether they’ve done wrong or not.

Yeah but dieseases are keeping the population down aren’t they?
I agree it is a problem. It’s because the older generation are living longer than they used to and there’s not enough younger people to support them all. People used to only live until they were 30 or 40, it seems that better quality of life and medical advancemnets are actually causing quite big problems with the worlds resources.

Yes animals do feel the same emotions as us but not in as much detail as we do. Their brains aren’t capable of feel some of the emotions that we can. Were evolved from animals so obviosuly we share some similiarities in feelings etc but as we EVOLVED we are more advanced.

Yes that’s obviosuly not true but it is what women were physically made to do. So it’s very important to them and I think it would damage them mentally if they couldn’t give birth.

Well there’s more to love than being willing to die for the person you love. Animals do almsot everything for survival, they protect their children so they can grow up and reproduce more of their species. Most animals make their children leave their group at a certain age, and sometimes will try to kill them if they don’t leave.

Walt Disney eats Cuban children!? Where did you here that? He still made good movies though. *The little mermaid* Awwwww now that’s what I call love.

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Clare:
No, the 24 weeks thing is just the first step President Bush is taking in order to completely outlaw abortions.

Diseases arn’t doing a good enough job of it, like weird guy and i were talking about earlier, roughly 2 people die every 5 seconds, but roughly 3 people are born every 3 seconds, so more people are being born then they are dieing, so that means the population is still increasing.

I still dont know why you think animals feel emotions less sharply then we do. Our being evolved has nothing to do with it, some reptilians have been around longer then we have, hence have evolved more.

For some women thats true, but for some its not, just like my not wanting to be “macho” as you said. Some women go through their whole lives without having children, why dont they go, for lack of a better word, crazy?

So, we have love for survival also. Here, let me explain, our minds prefer certain people because we subconciously think that they will most likely survive hardships, and hence have a better chance of passing on our genes.

Yes, walt disney eats cuban children. I got that from robot chicken , they brought walt disney back to life and fed him on a steady diet of cuban children. Bleh, dont really like disney movies, maybe cause they imploy subliminal messages, or could be because im a 16 year old guy, and most disney moves are for children, and girls.

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Well President Bush can piss off, sorry I just hate that man with a passion. Anything he says is wrong.

Yeah that is a dilemma, I don’t know what we could do to solve it either. There’s nothing to be honest that anyone could do that everyone else would agree on.

Yes reptiles may have been around longer but it doesn’t make them more evolved. They can’t drive cars and they couldn’t even learn how to drive cars. They don’t know the difference between right and wrong, they don’t feel emotions like like revenge, guilt, peace, hope, passion etc.
I don’t understand what your trying to say here by the way, are you saying that you think animals are just as smart as humans? Or that were all the same or what?

No I’m just saying that it’s not fair to take away a womens right to have children as it can cause stress, and depression. Obviosuly not all women want children but they should be given the choice.

Yes, but it’s not the same as survival for animals, I mean animals start to attack their young because there’s not enough food, when the young grow up they become competetion.
Whereas humans always love their children no matter how old they are. (obviosuly it’s not the same for all humans).

What do you mean by subliminal messages?
Yeah true disney is more for the little girlies lol.
What movies are more to your tastes then?

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Clare:
Agreed, i to hate president bush, saying how much could probly get me arrested.

Nothing anyone does makes everyone happy.

They cant drive cars because they dont have opposable thumbs. Once again right and wrong are rationalizations thought up by people in order to make them feel rightous about the things they do. Revenge, hope, peace, passion etc. are just crap thought up to make sense out of the things we feel, they dont mean crap. Emotions are, once again, random electrical impulses in the brain, and since animal brains are similar to our, they to feel emotions.
I’m just trying to say that animals feel emotions, whether you think they do or not.

It may not be fair, but it’s one of the only things that can solve the problem.

People attack each other if there isn’t enough food also. And people only love their children because they were brought up that way, some people hate their children.

By subliminal messages i mean subliminal messages. Lol i had to watch the lion king the other day in spanish class, and while i was watching the part where simba meets the spirit thing of mufassa the weird swirling dust stuff that was left behind spelled out “sex”, and even on the box of the little mermaid, if you look at the castle in the backround, you’ll notice some pretty familular anatomical shapes.
Eh, i have a pretty dark taste in movies, i like horror movies, and some of the bloodier action movies, you know like kill bill and sin city.