Abortion...Murder or a mothers right?

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I want to pose a question to you all.

ABortion.

Is it right?

Do you feel that Abortion is a mothers right?

I used to and still do to a part, but new evidence has shaken the foundation on which my opinions were built and has given rise to new doubts of the moral right of abortion.

The evidence I speak of is below in the link.

WARNING...CONTAINS SENSITIVE CONTENT

The diagram partway down the page illustrates my point.

If you too have a opinion after looking at the link, please make it as I wish to hear what other people have to say on the matter.

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I’m pro-choice, part way.

I think that if you’re stupid enough to go have sex and not use protection, you shouldn’t get an abortion.. They have programs that will take the baby..

If you’re raped, or the baby is going to cause harm to you when you’re pregnant, than I think that could call for an abortion..

Or if the baby is going to have some sort of disease when it’s born, that could also call for an abortion..

Those are my opinions.. =/

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i think its wrong.
the bottom line is, life, especially if its human and is innocent, is precious and should be respected.

but im not saying we should make laws illegalizing it.

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I think that it is wrong to a certain extent as it is murder of an inocent life... however i agree with Green_Ninja if you were raped then the traumatic experience that you went through with that is just going to be a burden of carrying your rapers baby.

So if you were raped and got an abortion I would understand but if it was an accident and you got pregers then I would class it as murder.........

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I believe in a woman’s right to choose. That said, in my opinion, I only think there are certain times that a woman should have an abortion. The main one being rape. This would have to be an individual choice. Some women would still want to bring the child to term. But a woman who is impregnated through an act of violence should have this choice.

Disease I think is more of a gray area. How do we determine what diseases means an abortion? Assuming that this is decided for the sake of the child, how do we know the individual would not want to live anyway?

Also, I have to wonder if there were not a social stigma attached to unplanned pregnancies, if this would change most women’s decisions.

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Abortion is a right. However, like all rights, people will abuse it. Abortion isn’t an alternative for birth control, even though some people will use it as one.

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I debated this at school (pro-choice) and owned everyone

I feel the same way as GN does

Last edited 26 Nov 2007 12:53 pm by Zeta_Prozkatl

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Agreed. It’s a matter of choice.

Ideally abortion wouldn’t need to be an option. But the world isn’t exactly roses and rainbows. In general it favors the rich, the white and the male. The pro-life side tends to be upper/middle-class religious advocates; not a very representative group.


My personal choice? Aside from rape, I don’t think there’s almost anything that would convince me to have an abortion. But I’ve got a pretty good support group and even as a single mom I’d be fine.

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I suppose I agree with the majority of the opinions here...

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How very insightful

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Yah, I’m not really feeling much like getting into a drawn out debate today. =/

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Unless it’s rape, no abortion. The woman who got herself pregnant should have to deal with the consequences. No weaseling out of it with an abortion.

Also, the abortion process/pre-baby killing is kinda fucked up...wait..did I say kinda? I meant REALLY fucked up.

THAT’S JUST FUCKED UP!!!(WARNING: GRAPHIC...but I’m sure you could have guessed that.)

Last edited 26 Nov 2007 04:58 pm by Totalitus

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Ok. Were you joking? Please say yes.

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Not really. Take out “simply”(it’s not my sole or main reason, but still one), throw it back into context, and there you go.

Last edited 26 Nov 2007 04:57 pm by Totalitus

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If the baby could harm the mother, or its very likely it will die anyway, or if its rape, I believe the woman should have a right. Anything else, you were a stupid whore who doesnt realize actions have consequences.

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I was all angry, but now I’m deflated...almost.

got herself pregnant. I don’t care what you meant, it’s the ability of people to use language that way...it’s fed into our social system. This ridiculous patriarchal society.
Fuck, this is why the whole abortion debate is about more then the concept of murder of an unborn child (although the pro-life side likes to ignore other factors).

I’m rambling but look...what does this sentence imply (whether you meant it too or not)...

You put all responsibility on the woman. It takes two to tango; unwanted pregnancies usually come with unsupportive dads. I’m sorry, does this seem like slightly unfair arrangement? If you answer “yes” you would be right.

For that matter, rape by a stranger is fairly easily defined, but do you realize how many woman are rapped by their partners...probably enough to make you sick. There are power struggles that exist in relationships and there is also connection of this to income and education which...surprise surprise also relates to instances of abortions.

You want to put tighter regulations on abortion? Fine, but you’d better also change the patriarchal and capitalist system in which we’re all entrenched.

Ugh. I don’t even like abortions, but I hate this top-down system of solving problems. I also hate the overwhelmingly religious component to the pro-life side. In fact, right now, I knida hate everything.


Sorry..I’m just in a bad mood.

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And fucky....fuck your second sentence.



Ugh...you people make me angry.

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Sorry, but if you are going to be having casual sex encounters a woman should at least be on birth control. I should rephrase it, but I dont know how to.




Yes, I know, not always should be placed on woman for birth control, but if you arent making the guy wear a rubber, what else am I supposed to say?

Last edited 26 Nov 2007 05:32 pm by fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69

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Pro-choice.

Rights.

People like to say, the baby feels it. Yeah, well, dogs feel pain too, but you kill them. So do most animals, in fact, the ones you eat probably felt it. But that doesn’t stop you (or me).

Does the fetus have the ability to interpret the pain beyond basic nervous reactions that are a result of merely having a basic, very basic I might add, nervous system? If, say, the fetus felt pain, but was not aborted, would it be able to remember it, much less realize it felt the pain? I’m sorry, I don’t agree that its actually alive until its ready to plop out or has already done so. Until that fetus has the comprehensive ability to recall pain (which, I think infants can recollect, very minutely, things such as that after so much maturing), I don’t see why I should be calling it any more than a work in progress. Your definition of alive will probably differ from mine, well, so be it.

I, however, see abortion as a trump card of sorts. Only if no other option seems reasonable. If you have a steady, stable home with good income and are perfectly able to care for a child, do it you lazy bastard, unless you’re going to abuse the child, but like you would admit to that in the first place. If you feel adoption is a good idea, go for it. If you live in the ghetto, prostitute to pay bills, have hits on you, and live around the worst of the worst, then by all means, go ahead and get an abortion. People say its about the baby. Yeah, you don’t really think about the baby because you don’t see it as if maybe that child is going into a “better of dead” situation. They could be mistreated severely, shunned, killed, or otherwise, turned into a rat of a person that is, really, better off dead and a scourge to society.

I, personally, would not abort, and not because I’m a hypocrite. I would not have to. I like children and I would probably be able to care for them.

I agree it depends on the situation.

Last edited 26 Nov 2007 05:39 pm by RageOverdose

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Because you have this assumption that a girl can “make” a guy where a rubber. Or that she was properly informed about birth control or that it is even readily accessible to her.


Honestly....if I were to get pregnant unintentionally, I would first kick your ass for calling me a whore, but would have to agree with everything else you say, it would be my fault, I take great responsibility for my body. But I also have all the resources and the empowerment I need to feel and understand that way.