| 26 Nov 2007 05:42 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 20  Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,765 OFFLINE | My bad. My mindset is that everyone actually has access to condoms/birth control, so I guess I look like an ignorant assfuck, huh? ---
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31 Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,456 OFFLINE | fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
My bad. My mindset is that everyone actually has access to condoms/birth control, so I guess I look like an ignorant assfuck, huh?
No  I’m just taking out some anger right now. I advocate for people to understand the different situations everyone’s in...but that also includes everyone here on moviecodec. I’m not saying that my opinion is better or right, but I do have a pretty good educational background behind me. And the way I approach problems may differ significanly from others here.
I mention certain things because I want others to consider them, even if they don’t agree. I want people to look outside the box dammit.
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is causing chaos. Rep: 30 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
Simply cus the woman who got herself pregnant should have to deal with it. 
Ok. Were you joking? Please say yes.
Not really. Take out “simply”(it’s not my sole or main reason, but still one), throw it back into context, and there you go.
I was all angry, but now I’m deflated...almost.
got herself pregnant. I don’t care what you meant, it’s the ability of people to use language that way...it’s fed into our social system. This ridiculous patriarchal society.
Fuck, this is why the whole abortion debate is about more then the concept of murder of an unborn child (although the pro-life side likes to ignore other factors).
I’m rambling but look...what does this sentence imply (whether you meant it too or not)...
Totalitus wrote:
Simply cus the woman who got herself pregnant should have to deal with it.
You put all responsibility on the woman. It takes two to tango; unwanted pregnancies usually come with unsupportive dads. I’m sorry, does this seem like slightly unfair arrangement? If you answer “yes” you would be right.
For that matter, rape by a stranger is fairly easily defined, but do you realize how many woman are rapped by their partners...probably enough to make you sick. There are power struggles that exist in relationships and there is also connection of this to income and education which...surprise surprise also relates to instances of abortions.
You want to put tighter regulations on abortion? Fine, but you’d better also change the patriarchal and capitalist system in which we’re all entrenched.
Ugh. I don’t even like abortions, but I hate this top-down system of solving problems. I also hate the overwhelmingly religious component to the pro-life side. In fact, right now, I knida hate everything.
Sorry..I’m just in a bad mood. 
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape. | | | 26 Nov 2007 05:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,456 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 20 Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,728 OFFLINE | treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
She has to agree to it. Ultimately, she is the one who would suffer.
But I agree, the man shouldn’t be so selfish.
 
Haruhi demands you join the MvC Otakus | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:00 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in. | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:02 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,456 OFFLINE | RageOverdose wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
She has to agree to it. Ultimately, she is the one who would suffer.
But I agree, the man shouldn’t be so selfish.
It’s how we frame the problem that’s the problem.
There’s underling inequalities that go unsaid in what people choose to say about this.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 20Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,728 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Haruhi demands you join the MvC Otakus | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:05 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping. Last edited 26 Nov 2007 06:05 pm by Totalitus | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:11 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 20Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,728 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
Haruhi demands you join the MvC Otakus | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:11 pm |
counting blue cars Rep: 53 Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,423 | treeplanter wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
She has to agree to it. Ultimately, she is the one who would suffer.
But I agree, the man shouldn’t be so selfish.
It’s how we frame the problem that’s the problem.
There’s underling inequalities that go unsaid in what people choose to say about this.
Actually they seem to blatantly stated in some cases rather than implied :/.
That said, I really like the way Atresac phrased it on page 1 of this thread.
“No matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself." | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:15 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing. | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:17 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,456 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
No you didn’t say that...that’s the point, you didn’t even think to at least include the male as part of this.
Abortion is often tied to inequality. Don’t lump your upper-class party girl with the girl from the poor neighborhood and the 30year boyfriend taking advantage of her. Abortion laws do far more damage to the latter.
I made a similar point in response to fucky’s post.
I don’t want people to get abortions. But I would much rather have it done safety in a legal environment then unsafely; regardless of the reasons for abortion.
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Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 38 OFFLINE | Has anyone actually had an abortion before?????? If so then what were your reasons and do you think that it was the right thing to do at the time and now a days?? | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:19 pm |
counting blue cars Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,423 | Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing.
Noooo....we’re taking issue with your idea that if an unplanned pregnancy occurs it should ONLY be the woman’s responsibility and that it is ONLY the woman’s fault.
“No matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself." | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 20Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,728 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
Then say “them” instead of she. You put it all on the female.
Totalitus wrote:
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing.
I in no way, shape, or form said that they should just fuck it and do the sex.
I said, and I thought I made myself perfectly clear, that the man is also to blame. Then again, sarcasm is hard to read on the Internet, eh?
Hell, in my previous post I specifically said its on both.
Haruhi demands you join the MvC Otakus | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:31 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing.
Noooo....we’re taking issue with your idea that if an unplanned pregnancy occurs it should ONLY be the woman’s responsibility and that it is ONLY the woman’s fault.
Oh well.
I never said that...though the woman DOES allow it to happen.... | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:39 pm |
counting blue cars Rep: 53Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,423 | Totalitus wrote:
Etain wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing.
Noooo....we’re taking issue with your idea that if an unplanned pregnancy occurs it should ONLY be the woman’s responsibility and that it is ONLY the woman’s fault.
Oh well.
I never said that...though the woman DOES allow it to happen....
And the man doesn’t “allow” it to happen?
“No matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself." | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:58 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
Etain wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Totalitus wrote:
What do I mean by that sentence? I mean if someone decides to go have sex, they know that there’s a good possibility that they will get pregnant. If she does, she should have to face the consequences of her actions. If she doesn’t want to worry about it, she shouldn’t have sex.
And I unless it’s rape, which means any rape.
fuckfuckfuck. Why is it always her actions, her consequences, she shouldn’t have sex?
I give up.
Because if she really cared, she could have taken precautions to avoid the situation she is in.
Same could be said about the man.
Oh, but the fact that he’s also having sex doesn’t matter. Its okay for a man to do whatever he wants, huh? He’s not responsible? Hello! Condoms!
Never said that.
But the woman shouldn’t have sex if the guy isn’t wearing the condom OR she could put on protection. Basically what you’re saying is since one person is a dumbshit and doesn’t think before acting, they both should be dumbshits and just start humping.
But the man shouldn’t think?
That’s what you’re saying. You’re isolating the female here. You’re saying the ultimate decision is on her. No, its on both. If he’s not wearing a condom, why should she be the only one to decide against it? Why not him?
He should. But if he doesn’t the woman shouldn’t also be a dumbshit and go ahead without protection.
So, no, that’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that they should both use their heads and realize that maybe it would be a good idea to use protection, even if the other is too much of a dumbshit to do so.
What your saying is if one is a dumbshit and doesn’t think about the consequences and doesn’t use protection, they should both be dumbshits, say “fuck it” and start sexing.
Noooo....we’re taking issue with your idea that if an unplanned pregnancy occurs it should ONLY be the woman’s responsibility and that it is ONLY the woman’s fault.
Oh well.
I never said that...though the woman DOES allow it to happen....
And the man doesn’t “allow” it to happen?
The man isn’t the one getting pregnant. Considering the woman is getting pregnant...don’t you think she should be taking extra caution? | | | 26 Nov 2007 06:58 pm |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 64 Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | Iloveeverythingaboutsex77 wrote:
Has anyone actually had an abortion before?????? If so then what were your reasons and do you think that it was the right thing to do at the time and now a days??
My step-mother got one.
She got drunk and had sex with the bartender when she was 19.
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