Abortion...Murder or a mothers right?

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I believe it is a woman’s right to chose. There are circumstances beyond a young girl’s control such as pregnancy due to a sexual assault, or bad living conditions that pose a threat to the child’s safety when he/she is born (e.g Meth heads shouldn’t be allowed to carry children, though I see it happen regardless)

I also believe there are reasonable limits to giving women this privilege. A prostitute may become pregnant countless times with no intentions of keeping the child and may go for numerous abortions. In this case the line has been crossed between being given rights and taking advantage of those rights.


Of course adoption provides loving foster parents with the privilege to raise children, which they could never do in the past for whatever reason. But seriously, do you think a young girl wants to carry a child for nine months and give it away like a door prize when its born ? If I’m going to carry a child, I’m going to raise that child.


Also I think abortion rights should be limited to the first trimester. Three months should be enough time for the woman to decide, abortions performed after the first trimester are wrong.

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The adoption thing is a good incentive, but isn’t always as good as it sounds.

A lot of adoption homes are horrible places with really shitty living conditions, and growing up knowing that their parents didn’t want them (or at least thinking it) could be very damaging to the child.

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i used to be against pro choice. now i understand the reason why people are for pro-choice, mainly its because u cant force people to do things they dont want.

rape is harsh. even from a fathers perspective or from a husbands. immediately when someone is raped we think it isnt fair, which is true. also we feel resentment towards the baby, because it reminds us of our failure.
but it isnt fair for the baby either.

what u choose here defines the sorta person u are.

i think the woman who chooses to go through the pain of childbirth in order to save an innocent life is more respectable than the one who doesnt.

so in a weird way im pro-choice and pro-life .

mother’s right? sounds kinda ironic, women who go through abortion dont want to be mothers.

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I totally agree, the child grows up knowing from an early age that their parents didn’t want them. I already know what its like to not have any idea who one of your parents are, and I battled myself with questions all the time. I still haven’t gotten answers and its something that will probably haunt me until I do.

I’ve also heard many cases of children who were placed in homes by Social Services being fucked over in the long run, and some cases where they were abused sexually, physically and/or verbally.

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Well if wasn’t consensual, it was forced, no?

And forced sexual activity would be considered rape, no?

So if it’s not rape, they made the decision.

And don’t use alcohol or drugs as an excuse. That’s all they are. Excuses. And excuses don’t cut it.

If you were too drunk, you shouldn’t have gotten drunk in the first place. You didn’t start off drunk.

If you were high, you shouldn’t have gotten high in the first place. You didn’t start off high.

As for me, here’s my opinion.



I find abortion immoral and sick. From the instant the ovum is fertilized and the gametes fuse, it’s a living thing. The fact that it’s small or not recognizable doesn’t make it any less alive or any less human. It’s not an opinion, it’s science. It’s biology.

When should you stoop to abortion?

Only when the birth of the child would kill both the mother and baby should you abort. The way I see it, if the death of the BABY is inevitable, then you can at least save the other life.

Any other situation, I don’t approve of it. If you were reckless, go ahead and give birth and give the child to a couple that wants one. You may know them directly, you may find one through an adoption agency.

There’s a lot of couples that, for one reason or another, would love to raise a baby but can’t. Give your baby to them.

Even if it was rape, I’m sorry that that’s what happened. But the circumstances don’t make the baby any less alive.


Those are my morals. My morals are based on biology.

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If its a cell, its a living thing. If its wrong to kill a living thing period, then you shouldn’t eat meat, or, for that matter, plants.

But, of course, plants don’t have neurons. Mammals do.

However, yes it is science, but the definition is not applicable to a moral view of life and what being truly “alive” is. What “alive” really is can be debated. Take someone in a vegetative state, for example: The person is scientifically alive because the cells are still acting, but if you divert from science, they can easily be considered dead spiritually. Even from a scientific standpoint, like I mentioned earlier, ask these questions: Can the fetus actually interpret, understand, or recall anything that happens to it in the womb?



I am pro-choice, but I do say that abortion should be more of a trump card, only if no other choice is reasonable. I believe it broadens further than just if both are to die. Would you want a child growing up to be a coke head or heroin addict or living in a place where that child is really better off dead? Of course, you can never truly know what will happen to the child in the future, but risks such as that are extreme in the amount of stress they can cause.



There has to be legal action in this case, and some people may not have access to it. I would say, probably not a lot, but it will happen, mainly in very poor communities where abortions are probably going to be more common. Also, adoption can be a psychological problem, or even one as I mentioned in the paragraph above. If a child knows they are adopted, its likely they could grow up feeling rejected, becoming depressed, and maybe eventually committing suicide. You could always lie, if the child is too young to recall anything, of course, but that could still come back to bite them in the ass.



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If they can’t raise a baby, why would you give it to them? I hope you mean can’t give birth.



It makes the baby less wanted. It causes large amounts of stress and complications to the mother, and I doubt a girl who lived most of her life already is going to be raped. Her life may be ruined because some people think its wrong to abort. Now, it transfers to the child as well.




Little, if any, of what you said has much to do with biology, except for the first law you defined, which in and of itself has no moral standing and no moral intent behind it.

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The thing is with killing for meat, that’s necessary. We need food. With abortion we’re killing one of our own just cus some dumbshit didn’t want to think ahead of time.

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"Well if wasn’t consensual, it was forced, no?

And forced sexual activity would be considered rape, no?

So if it’s not rape, they made the decision.

And don’t use alcohol or drugs as an excuse. That’s all they are. Excuses. And excuses don’t cut it.

If you were too drunk, you shouldn’t have gotten drunk in the first place. You didn’t start off drunk.

If you were high, you shouldn’t have gotten high in the first place. You didn’t start off high.

As for me, here’s my opinion."

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In the end, the woman has the final word no? If she decides to go ahead with it without protection, it’s her fault.

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I know. I was trying to say that the law in biology that states all living things are made up of cells, so cells are living, is not a good thing to use because it is merely scientific. The morals of killing and such are not.

Sometimes its necessary to abort, or could be deemed as so.

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I think you missed my point, but that’s ok.

I want to make a distinction.

Personally, I don’t want abortions to happen, I prefer adoption has an alternative.

What I’m 100% against is making abortion illegal. Because I understand that not everyone shares my views, and the reality the way things are now, is that abortions will happen whether you outlaw them or not.

A safe, legal abortion in my books is a much more preferable option then sketchy doctors, or worse, a self-abortion which rarely end well for the woman or her fetus.
Why do you think it’s become legal in so many countries now?

So even though we are having a debate on your own personal opinion of the matter, I just wanted to make that distinction as to why I argue for the other side. But, having said that, I’m not as quick to judge women who have had an abortion and I hope anyone reading this thread will at least try to be less judgmental as well.

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This is also false.

Protection is not 100% fail-proof.

But I do agree that if you don’t want a baby, consensual sex should be handled more intelligently. But, that begs the question of what circumstance of impregnation has happened that eventually led to the abortion. I think rape may be the biggest cause, but I can’t be sure.

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Yes, there are times where it is necessary. But unless it’s necessary, or rape, no abortion.

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I would have to agree to a point. I wouldn’t stop the person from doing it if it wasn’t necessary, at least take their choice away, but I sure as hell wouldn’t like them very much, or I’d try in other ways to get them to stop. As I said, I see abortion as more of a trump card.

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I know it’s not 100%, though it is very high if used correctly.

Even still, they should know that it’s a gamble. If they loose that gamble, sucks for them.

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I still say it depends on the family circumstances.

If the child were to be born into a perfectly stable and capable family, aborting would sicken me. For more reasons, even, than just the potential life that’s being taken away.

Otherwise, consideration can be taken.

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It mainly depends on the situation.

But overall, I think abortion is wrong. Mainly because all your doing is killing an innocent.

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I just thought... the title...

“mothers right”?

Is that just absent-mindedness or is it meant to imply the right is soley to the mother? Because the father should have as much of a say in the matter.

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You know what IS 100% fail-proof?

Not doing it in the first place.

The risk is always there. If you aren’t willing to face the consequences, don’t take the risk.

That’s the bottom line really.

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That’s your bottom line;
Not the bottom line.