| 27 Nov 2007 04:08 pm |
jpb Guest | That seems to be the view amongst believers. That if you don’t believe you’re sinful or immoral.
Can’t you be ethical by secular means?
On the topic of going to hell simply because you don’t believe: assuming there is a God, why would he send someone to hell if they led a moral life (practicing things like love, compassion, tolerance, etc.) even if they don’t believe?
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| 27 Nov 2007 04:43 pm |
Loli Master (Kinky Bear) Rep: 27  Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,414 ONLINE | I think that saying atheists are immoral or that they are lesser people is usually hypocritical.
Assuming you’re referring to Christianity, or any other religion that preaches equality, any such claim to be better or to denounce another’s morality and ethics and claim yours to be automatically better based on what you at least claim to believe would go against the very concept of love and acceptance and forgiveness and equality.
Just saying. If you want to call yourself a Christian, walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk.
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| 27 Nov 2007 06:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,624 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
I think that saying atheists are immoral or that they are lesser people is usually hypocritical.
Assuming you’re referring to Christianity, or any other religion that preaches equality, any such claim to be better or to denounce another’s morality and ethics and claim yours to be automatically better based on what you at least claim to believe would go against the very concept of love and acceptance and forgiveness and equality.
Just saying. If you want to call yourself a Christian, walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk.
I feel like I’m like your fan club, but as long as you keep making the same points that I myself would make and I keep seeing them, then I am going to keep on saying I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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| 27 Nov 2007 06:46 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 26 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,135 OFFLINE | No, atheism equals IMMORTALITY!!!!
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| 27 Nov 2007 06:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14 Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,392 OFFLINE | Why in the hell would atheism mean immorality?
Just because you don’t believe in a deity doesn’t mean you have no morals. They can be based off things such as personal experiences or just how you think.
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| 27 Nov 2007 07:03 pm |
hahahahaha Rep: 26 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,936 OFFLINE | i’ll speak for my religion. predestant (christians). ok, in my opinion, a christian who thinks that way really don’t understand his own religion. the entire basis for it is that we have admitted that we fuck up- all the time. i will never see how that can in any way make us BETTER then anyone else.
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| 28 Nov 2007 02:55 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | That seems to be the view amongst believers. That if you don’t believe you’re sinful or immoral.
Can’t you be ethical by secular means?
On the topic of going to hell simply because you don’t believe: assuming there is a God, why would he send someone to hell if they led a moral life (practicing things like love, compassion, tolerance, etc.) even if they don’t believe?
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No I dont... that is your point of view... and yes you have your own way...
For you your religion and for me my religion.
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| 28 Nov 2007 03:44 pm |
Loli Master (Kinky Bear) Rep: 27Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,414 ONLINE | kev360 wrote:
i’ll speak for my religion. Protestant (christians). ok, in my opinion, a christian who thinks that way really don’t understand his own religion. the entire basis for it is that we have admitted that we fuck up- all the time. i will never see how that can in any way make us BETTER then anyone else.
ahem..
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| 28 Nov 2007 03:48 pm |
Loli Master (Kinky Bear) Rep: 27Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,414 ONLINE | Some of the nicest, kindest, fairest people I’ve met are atheists.
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| 28 Dec 2007 04:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 49 Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,851 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
Some of the nicest, kindest, fairest people I’ve met are atheists.
Thats because we know this is our only life.. its everyone only life, why would you want to ruin it.
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:23 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Hmmm....
Most of them is yes but not all...
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Some of the nicest, kindest, fairest people I’ve met are atheists.
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What about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao Tze Dong...???
Are you safe with them...???
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:24 am |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 60 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 15,841 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Hmmm....
Most of them is yes but not all...
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Some of the nicest, kindest, fairest people I’ve met are atheists.
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What about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao Tze Dong...???
Are you safe with them...???
lol go Stalin. j/k
Anyway, atheists can be good, and Christians can be too.
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:29 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | lol go Stalin. j/k
Anyway, atheists can be good, and Christians can be too.
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Even so the religios people can do what atheist did...
Some the religion people using religion to satisfy them self... Not far enough with atheist so... without religion the world will ruin to nothingness and that’s the facts...
Our laws is based with religion and moral... not from nowhere and immorality...
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:38 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 49Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,851 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
lol go Stalin. j/k
Anyway, atheists can be good, and Christians can be too.
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Even so the religios people can do what atheist did...
Some the religion people using religion to satisfy them self... Not far enough with atheist so... without religion the world will ruin to nothingness and that’s the facts...
Our laws is based with religion and moral... not from nowhere and immorality...
No our founding laws are base on logic not religon. You have just made up so bs to try and justify your religon.. congratulation.
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:43 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Have any proof...???
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:44 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 49Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,851 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Hmmm....
Most of them is yes but not all...
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Some of the nicest, kindest, fairest people I’ve met are atheists.
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What about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Mao Tze Dong...???
Are you safe with them...???
What about the millions who died at the hands of the popes, all thoese people who where killed because they said they didnt believe, the slavery, sexisum, child killing and the consistent destruction of logic.
Hitler was a christian. While it is true that Joseph Stalin , Mao Zedong and Pol Pot were all atheists, this is not the only thing they have in common. They were also men, political leaders and communists. Merely citing common denominators does not establish the cause of their actions. It is important to consider what was the main driving force in their committing atrocities against their own people.
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:45 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 49Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,851 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Have any proof...???
No religon in goverment is a huge peace of evidence.
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:49 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | What about the millions who died at the hands of the popes, all thoese people who where killed because they said they didnt believe, the slavery, sexisum, child killing and the consistent destruction of logic.
Hitler was a christian. While it is true that Joseph Stalin , Mao Zedong and Pol Pot were all atheists, this is not the only thing they have in common. They were also men, political leaders and communists. Merely citing common denominators does not establish the cause of their actions. It is important to consider what was the main driving force in their committing atrocities against their own people.
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We moslems died from the battle of crusades... they judges us cruel and immorality... but they have no proof about that too... look at Saladin and King Richard and what Saladin did to help King Richard from sickness...???
Just like I said before... the religion people (a few of them).. doing what atheist did... and atheist (a few of them doing what the religious people did)...
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:50 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | No religon in goverment is a huge peace of evidence.
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Religion exist before the government exist...
so...????
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| 29 Dec 2007 01:52 am |
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