| 30 Dec 2007 03:55 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
So how does a lack of belief in god = immorality? This is just some stupid religous nut who thinks that if you are not with god then you are with satian, fact is Im with neither.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | | 30 Dec 2007 06:52 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Ow wait is it government exist before religion...??? ---
 
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 31 Dec 2007 01:02 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Distortions in Qur’an...???
Thanks for the help GPlex... You may read the following statements that you gave me:
...in spite of traditions to the effect that the picture of Jesus was found on one of the pillars of Ka’aba, there is no good evidence of any seats of Christianity in the Hijaz or in the near neighbourhood of Makkah or even of Madina.
The Hijaz [Arabian peninsula] had not been touched by Christian preaching. Hence organisation of the Christian church was neither to be expected nor found.
The reason is because the author assumes that the Prophet(P) knew of all the sources before he could compile the Qur'ân. The sources being Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hanif and ancient Arab beliefs. This directly contradicts the evidence that we have of what the Prophet(P) was. He was considered to be ummî, i.e., an illiterate.
(*** UMMI Which Mean Cant Read and Write and Never go to school ***)
(*** This is the reason why Allah SWT dont let Prophet Muhammad SAW to enter school ***)
Sidney H Griffith has done extensive research on the appearance of Arabic Gospel. Regarding the manuscript evidence, he says:
The oldest known, dated manuscripts containing Arabic translations of the New Testament are in the collections of St. Catherine’s monastery at Mt. Sinai. Sinai Arabic MS 151 contains an Arabic version of the Epistles of Paul, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Catholic Epistles. It is the oldest dated New Testament manuscripts. The colophon of this MS informs us that one Bisr Ibn as-Sirri made the translation from Syriac in Damascus during Ramadan of the Higrah year 253, i.e., 867 AD.
The author went on to say:
The oldest, dated manuscript containing the Gospels in Arabic is Sinai Arabic MS 72. Here the text of the four canonical Gospels is marked off according to the lessons of the temporal cycle of the Greek liturgical calendar of the Jerusalem Church. A colophon informs us that the MS was written by Stephen of Ramleh in the year 284 of the Arabs, i.e., 897 AD.
(*** Higrah or Hijriyah Year 284 Prophet Muhammad SAW not exits in this world ***)
(*** Your comments please ***)
Ernst Würthwein informs us in his book The Text Of The Old Testament that:
With the victory of Islam the use of Arabic spread widely, and for Jews and Christians in the conquered lands it became the language of daily life. This gave rise to the need of Arabic versions of the Bible, which need was met by a number of versions mainly independent and concerned primarily for interpretation.
It is quite clear from the above discussion that the influence of Christian Jahiliyyah poets as well as the lack of presence of the Bible, either the Old Testament or New Testament in Arabic, suggests that the Qur'ân is not borrowed from the Bible. This point, although not directly, is also mentioned in the Qur'ân. The Qur'ân defends itself from such accusations.
According to the fact that Holy Qur’an not borrowed from Torah and Bible is true. Prophet Muhammad SAW was ummi or let say He cant read and write, the question is how come a person like Him can create such book without guide or mentor...???
There is only one mentor for him Allah SWT and He teach Prophet Muhammad SAW everything even about us and the future.
Now show me more about distortions in Holy Qur’an... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 31 Dec 2007 03:24 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Allah took alot of teaching form the christians and the greeks in his holy war on other religons. ---
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 31 Dec 2007 02:00 pm |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
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Nevae Anariva Rep: 49 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
It’s questioning someone’s beliefs and calling them stupid for believing in it.
Simply asking for proof is one thing but a lot of the times it’s how it’s requested that can cause someone to sound sort of asshole-ish.
There’s a line between being rude and insulting someone’s beliefs and asking for proof to back them up in a normal debate, pretty fine line but it’s there.
(nevermind I see religion and beliefs as “each to their own”, or that could just be me too)
 Last edited 31 Dec 2007 02:09 pm by Tyrane | | | 31 Dec 2007 02:15 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
Never, but calling people ignorant, misguided, stupid, ect because of their beliefs is immoral.. And actually, now that I think about it, is against MovieCodec rules.
 | | | 31 Dec 2007 02:18 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Tyreaus wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
It’s questioning someone’s beliefs and calling them stupid for believing in it.
Simply asking for proof is one thing but a lot of the times it’s how it’s requested that can cause someone to sound sort of asshole-ish.
There’s a line between being rude and insulting someone’s beliefs and asking for proof to back them up in a normal debate, pretty fine line but it’s there.
(nevermind I see religion and beliefs as “each to their own”, or that could just be me too)
Well IMO I would rather use the word irrational than stupid, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning someone’s beliefs when you have the grounds to do so.
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Join “The Zeitgeist Movement”Last edited 31 Dec 2007 02:18 pm by ramunematt | | | 31 Dec 2007 02:21 pm |
Nevae Anariva Rep: 49Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | ramunematt wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
It’s questioning someone’s beliefs and calling them stupid for believing in it.
Simply asking for proof is one thing but a lot of the times it’s how it’s requested that can cause someone to sound sort of asshole-ish.
There’s a line between being rude and insulting someone’s beliefs and asking for proof to back them up in a normal debate, pretty fine line but it’s there.
(nevermind I see religion and beliefs as “each to their own”, or that could just be me too)
Well IMO I would rather use the word irrational than stupid, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning someone’s beliefs when you have the grounds to do so.
No, but like I said, with how it can be worded, you can literately attack and insult a person’s beliefs.
Just look at the two words you italicized, irrational doesn’t seem as bad does it?
There’s other things that go along with that, but personally I’ve noted from Gplex that he’s seem to have done a bit more attacking than simple debating.
| | | 31 Dec 2007 02:25 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
Never, but calling people ignorant, misguided, stupid, ect because of their beliefs is immoral.. And actually, now that I think about it, is against MovieCodec rules.
I don’t know if it’s against Moviecodec rules, and I’m not agreeing with the insults he said, but I’m a strong believer in freedom of speech. You may not like the insults he threw at you. You may find them politically incorrect or against Moviecodec rules, so lets say you ban him. Would that really make it all better? Is banning someone because they have offended someone really a good solution to the problem? I made a thread awhile ago that had a video called, “pretend solutions cannot solve real problems”. To sum up the video, it basically said that pretending that a problem isn’t there won’t solve it. Do you think you would be able to solve the problem of you being offended, by banning him then pretending it never happened?
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Cid wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Hey Gplex, here’s a question for you to answer.
Look at the religion forum and find the threads that attack a belief.
Why are 90% of those threads attacking religion and come from “non-believers”?
If you want to talk about immoralities.. Have at that.
Attack?!?! I call it stupid and hope that someone can defend it, yet they cant seem too.. so what does that tell you.. religon is bs. Yes I just attack again.
Well, I can certainly say that if most atheists are like you, than yes. It does equal immorality.
Since when is skepticism and asking for evidence immoral?
Never, but calling people ignorant, misguided, stupid, ect because of their beliefs is immoral.. And actually, now that I think about it, is against MovieCodec rules.
I don’t know if it’s against Moviecodec rules, and I’m not agreeing with the insults he said, but I’m a strong believer in freedom of speech. You may not like the insults he threw at you. You may find them politically incorrect or against Moviecodec rules, so lets say you ban him. Would that really make it all better? Is banning someone because they have offended someone really a good solution to the problem? I made a thread awhile ago that had a video called, “pretend solutions cannot solve real problems”. To sum up the video, it basically said that pretending that a problem isn’t there won’t solve it. Do you think you would be able to solve the problem of you being offended, by banning him then pretending it never happened?
First..
Bjarne Lundgren wrote:
5) Discrimination against certain racial groups, a certain sex, sexual orientation or otherwise is generally also NOT allowed. Debate is welcome, even heated debates, ie. about religion; but you have no right, or permission, to post inflamatory or clearly rediculous allegations against certain religons etc.
Now, I don’t think that banning him and pretending that it never happened will solve anything. However, banning him and teaching him that he can’t get away with “inflammatory or ridiculous allegations” against religions, can solve a problem.
With that being said, I don’t want to ban Gplex, because 1) I don’t find any enjoyment in banning members who are somewhat respectable and 2) If I ban him for flaming people’s religion, he and a lot of other members will probably look at me like the bad guy here. However, I will post a general warning for all involved in these debates and I suggest those who read this spread the word.
You are not to bash, flame, or do anything of the such against any religious beliefs or against people for having those beliefs. With that being said, this also applies to the Religious flaming atheists, since technically, Atheism is a belief.
| | | 01 Jan 2008 06:47 am |
Regular Rep: 3 Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 662 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
i’ll speak for my religion. predestant (christians). ok, in my opinion, a christian who thinks that way really don’t understand his own religion. the entire basis for it is that we have admitted that we fuck up- all the time. i will never see how that can in any way make us BETTER then anyone else.
It’s Protestant. Not predestant. Protestant.
 | | | 01 Jan 2008 10:40 am |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Okay, I think a thread has to be made in the feedback section that clearly states what are considered “ridiculous allegations”, because that is mostly an opinionated statement. In the eye of one religion, another religion’s beliefs could be seen as a ridiculous allegation because they don’t share the same beliefs. ---
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Join “The Zeitgeist Movement”Last edited 01 Jan 2008 01:49 pm by ramunematt | | | 01 Jan 2008 07:53 pm |
Regular Rep: 3Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 662 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Okay, I think a thread has to be made in the feedback section that clearly states what are considered “ridiculous allegations”, because that is mostly an opinionated statement. In the eye of one religion, another religion’s beliefs could be seen as a ridiculous allegation because they don’t share the same beliefs.
Yeah, that’s true.
| | | 01 Jan 2008 08:02 pm |
you are smart Rep: 50 Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,700 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Okay, I think a thread has to be made in the feedback section that clearly states what are considered “ridiculous allegations”, because that is mostly an opinionated statement. In the eye of one religion, another religion’s beliefs could be seen as a ridiculous allegation because they don’t share the same beliefs.
inflammatory works too
“I call it stupid”
“religon is bs”
Both seem pretty inflammatory to me.
 | | | 03 Jan 2008 01:55 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Allah took alot of teaching form the christians and the greeks in his holy war on other religons.
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So this is the best comments you have then...
I want your comment about my post...
About Distortions in Qur’an...
And Ramunematt where is the distortions you want to show me...
Is there any false line or chapter in Qur’an... I have the original one... if you have the false you may go to islamic center near your area about the chapter and line I used... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 03 Jan 2008 05:33 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Allah took alot of teaching form the christians and the greeks in his holy war on other religons.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — -
So this is the best comments you have then...
I want your comment about my post...
About Distortions in Qur’an...
And Ramunematt where is the distortions you want to show me...
Is there any false line or chapter in Qur’an... I have the original one... if you have the false you may go to islamic center near your area about the chapter and line I used...
I never claim there was distortions in qur’an Ive never read your book all the way through. I’ve only seen verses that other athiest point out to me. Your book is as evil as the christian book!
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 04 Jan 2008 05:27 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Coz you lack of faith that is why you put Holy Qur’an as evil book...
And you lack of understanding that is why you dont accept that...
Give me ur comments...
Why to someone who cant read and write can create such books...??? ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 04 Jan 2008 05:30 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Coz you lack of faith that is why you put Holy Qur’an as evil book...
And you lack of understanding that is why you dont accept that...
Give me ur comments...
Why to someone who cant read and write can create such books...???
Yes I lack faith. Faith = believing in things without evidence. Faith is stupid. Your book tells you to kill non blievers, so I say it is evil (matter of opinion there)
I find this rich... a theist telling me I have a lack of understanding of the universe.. a theist!!!
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 04 Jan 2008 09:26 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | I already give you evidence but still deny that...
but you show me nothing from all of your claim...
did I explain you why we must kill the unbelievers...???
if you push us with harsh way there is no other choice except war... if you just saying stupid things like that... that would be fine and we will not kill you for that... all we need is just to emigrate nothing else to avoid people like you...
need more explanation about that line gplex...??? ---
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