Itachi Uchiha wrote:
I already give you evidence but still deny that...
but you show me nothing from all of your claim...
did I explain you why we must kill the unbelievers...???
if you push us with harsh way there is no other choice except war... if you just saying stupid things like that... that would be fine and we will not kill you for that... all we need is just to emigrate nothing else to avoid people like you...
need more explanation about that line gplex...???
Thats not evidence! thats some line from a book, which has many mistakes. Hell If thats best book your god can write, then Im not impressed.. Now you come up with war against me etc etc. Keep using terrorist threats to try and make me back off (which your religon has proven to be the best at). You have not showen one bit of scientific evidence for your religion.. and don’t go and point to your quran and show me where it says that allah created all.. thats just not evidence.
Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Sura (3:151) - “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Sura (8:39) - “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
Sura (9:14) - “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
Sura (48:29) - “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”
Far from being mere theological construct or history, the violent verses of the Qur’an have played a key role in the many massacres in Muslim history, including the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni’s bloody conquest. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism met the same fate in the Middle East as did Christianity, there as well as across North Africa and parts of Europe, including Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
The Big Bang in Qur’an is revealed... READ THIS...!!!
Said who when the big bang revealed then the religion collapses...
For other religion maybe but for Islam and Qur’an...???
The Big Bang in Qur’an
Do those who are disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then
We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not have faith?
(Surat al-Anbiya': 30)
It is We Who have built the universe with (Our creative) power, and, verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Surat adh-Dhariyat: 47)
He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does
not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most
exactly. (Surat al-Furqan: 2)
Even Allah SWT made calculations in universe and that sciences is given
to you by your minds... For us to know the universe is not accidently happen
it wase created by the most Intelegence... Allah SWT...
Math accepted in Islam... For other religion just look what happen to
Galileo and Copernicus... In Islam...??? Al Khuwarizmi...??? The Father
of Math...
“Blessed be He who has the Kingdom in His Hand! He has power over all
things. He who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any
flaw in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps?
Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted."
(Surat al-Mulk: 1-4)
“Your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and
then settled Himself firmly on the Throne. He covers the day with the
night, each pursuing the other urgently; and the sun and moon and stars
are subservient to His command. Both creation and command belong to
Him. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of all worlds."
(Surat al-A’raf: 54)
Orbit in Qur’an something that you cant find anything about it in other religions...
Your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then settled Himself
firmly on the Throne. He covers the day with the night and, each pursuing the other urgently; and
the sun and moon and stars are subservient to His command. Both creation and command belong to
Him. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of all worlds.
(Surat al-Araf: 54)
What Qur’an said about the creation of our solar system... the base
is the same for all the solar system...
Then He willed to the heaven when it was smoke... (Surat Fussilat:11)
The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed.
(Surat ar-Rahman: 5)
“He built the heaven, He raised its vault high and made it level."
(Surat an-Nazi’at:27-28)
“We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars."
(Surat as-Saffat: 6)
*** Heliocentris in Qur’an ***
It is not for the sun to catch up the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day. Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit.
(Surah Ya Sin: 40)
“By the Sky with its oscillating orbits. Most surely, you are at variance with each other in what you say. Averted from it is he who is averted. Cursed
be the conjecturers; those who flounder in a glut of ignorance."
(Surat adh-Dhariyat: 7-11)
“The sun and moon both run with precision."
(Surat ar-Rahman: 5)
“Allah is He who created the heavens and the earth and sends down water
from the sky and by it brings forth fruits as provision for you. ...He has
made the sun and moon subservient to you holding steady to their courses,
and He has made the night and day subservient to you. He has given
you everything you have asked Him for. If you tried to number Allah’s
blessings, you could never count them. Man is indeed wrongdoing, ungrateful."
(Surah Ibrahim: 32-34)
Qur’an revealed everything that you disbelievers claim about the big
bang and everything you claim to be your scientific proves that there is no god...
but science finds the opposite way... other religion maybe but for Qur’an...???
Not that way... Islam is the right way...
Still want proves...?
The Nobel prize winner German
physicist Max Planck explains the order in the universe:
At all events, we should say, in summing up, that, according to everything
taught by the exact sciences about the immense realm of nature in which our
tiny planet plays an insignificant role, a certain order prevails - one independent
of the human mind. Yet, in so far as we are able to ascertain through
our senses, this order can be formulated in terms of purposeful activity.
There is evidence of an intelligent order of the universe.
Einstein refers to this order as an unexpected event, and also says
that it should be regarded as a miracle:
Well, a priori [reasoning from cause to effect] one should expect that the
world would be rendered lawful [obedient to law and order] only to the extent
that we [human beings] intervene with our ordering intelligence... [But
instead we find] in the objective world a high degree of order that we were
a priori in no way authorized to expect. This is the 'miracle' that is strengthened
more and more with the development of our knowledge.
Allah reveals how the heavens and earth are preserved by His supreme power in the Qur’an:
“Allah keeps a firm hold on the heavens and earth, preventing them from
vanishing away. And if they vanished no one could then keep hold of
them. Certainly He is Most Forbearing, Ever -Forgiving."
(Surah Fatır: 41)
The divine order in this universe reveals the weakness of the materialistic
belief of a universe that is a mass of ungoverned matter. This is revealed
in another verse:
“If the truth were to follow their whims and desires, the heavens and the
earth and everyone in them would have been brought to ruin…"
(Surat al-Muminun: 71)
Isaac Newton, recognized
as one of the greatest scientific minds of all times, once wrote:
This most elegant system of suns, planets, and comets could arise from the
purpose and sovereignty of an intelligent and mighty being…He rules them
all, not as a soul but as a sovereign lord of all things, and because of His sovereignty
He is commonly called “Lord God Almighty."
*** Atmosphere in Qur’an which protect us from meteorit that want to crash on earth ***
As revelead in Qur’an... We all know that our atmosphere and ozon protect us from outer
radiations from the sun and even from meteor and meteorit.
We made the sky a persevered and protected roof yet still they turn away
from Our Signs. (Surat al-Anbiya: 32)
“It is Allah who made the earth a stable home for you and the sky a dome,
and formed you, giving you the best of forms, and provided you with
good and wholesome things. That is Allah, your Lord. Blessed be Allah,
the Lord of all the worlds."
(Surah Ghafir: 64)
“It is He Who made the earth submissive to you, so walk its broad trails
and eat what it provides. The Resurrection is to Him."
(Surat al-Mulk: 15)
This perfect creation of Allah is described in the Qur’an thus:
“Are you stronger in structure or is heaven? He built it. He raised its vault
high and made it level. He darkened its night and brought forth its morning
light. After that He smoothed out the earth and brought forth from it
its water and its pastureland and made the mountains firm for you and for
your livestock to enjoy."
(Surat an-Nazi’at: 27-33)
“It is He Who splits the sky at dawn, and appoints the night as a time of
stillness and the sun and moon as a means of reckoning. That is what the
Almighty, the All-Knowing has ordained."
(Surat al-Anam: 96)
Still want more about creations...???
I have plenty of 'em for you...
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Itachi Uchiha is constantly typing bs like this - god is real thus he exist, the quran says this so it must be true..
Can you not see the flaws in your own argument?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Thats not evidence! thats some line from a book, which has many mistakes. Hell If thats best book your god can write, then Im not impressed.. Now you come up with war against me etc etc. Keep using terrorist threats to try and make me back off (which your religon has proven to be the best at). You have not showen one bit of scientific evidence for your religion.. and don’t go and point to your quran and show me where it says that allah created all.. thats just not evidence.
— -> Do you think this is not scientific evidence...
Do those who are disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then
We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not have faith?
(Surat al-Anbiya': 30)
It is We Who have built the universe with (Our creative) power, and, verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
(Surat adh-Dhariyat: 47)
Where is your mind Gplex...??? Do you think He will create formula like Phytagoras or maybe
the formula or relativity...??? Or math like root or something like that or maybe you want
Him create a new programming language just like Pascal or C++...??? He create the base
of every sciences that we used today... That is the diff between you and me and this is the wall
that you cant cross... I used to be one of you a long time ago I just open my mind, my heart
that Allah SWT is exist... Below is my questions when I have a mind like you...
1. If universe created by God then who create God...???
2. If He exist why dont He show Himself to us so that everybody will bow to Him...???
3. If God exist how do He look like...???
4. If God create the universe and He so powerfull then why dont He destroy the people that
not bow to Him...???
5. Does God have hand, feet, sleep or something like that...???
6. Is She/He...???
7. What matter that support His body or life...???
8. The universe said to be billions years exist is that so then He is so old...???
9. Is He related with time and space like us...???
Those were questions that I used when I was have mind like you then I consider that all
was an idiotic questions... I open my mind, my heart and admit that Allah SWT is exist...
He exist even everything exist... Everything have end but not Him... His Kingdom is Heaven and Earth. He is our creator... Heaven and Earth.
Before you claim that moslems is terrorist then why dont you study from where the bomb is...???
From where they got skill to doing that... I do know that the unbelievers behind that...
I do know the disbelievers make wars againts Islam, Christ and make look bad Jews...
I know not Christians is bad people, same thing like Jews... The disbelievers like you make
Islam, Christ and even Jews look bad and make one of that religion to be your laugh at...
Study it first...
Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
— -> I explain to you this already... I dont need to reply more...
Sura (3:151) - “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
— -> Hmmm... Coz most of unbelievers always lowering god and say that there is no god so
Allah SWT gives you that terror in your heart when you die and even when you live...
Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
— -> That is in war and that is allowed in war right... You just pick one and not know what
meaning of that line...
Sura (8:39) - “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
— -> Coz if you try to make war with us and try to harm us there is no other choice for us to
make war to you to defend our self and to defend our faith and religion. You dont know
the story about that line...
Sura (9:14) - “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
— — >Wooow... This line was in the theme of when the peace broken down and what should us do when
that happen... You may read at line 7 to 14 and read it carefully... 9:7-14.
Sura (48:29) - “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”
— — > You lack of understanding... it doesnt mean he will harsh to you... if he harsh to you then
there will be no europe. And all Jahiliya people will be vanished... When he Hijrah from
Mecca to Medina, the unbelievers hurt him and his people. After a long time he come back
and he bring peace not war... he said that... dont harm the people in Mecca... You lack
your knowledge in Qur’an and you just pick one for you to make that Islam is war religion
Far from being mere theological construct or history, the violent verses of the Qur’an have played a key role in the many massacres in Muslim history, including the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni’s bloody conquest. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism met the same fate in the Middle East as did Christianity, there as well as across North Africa and parts of Europe, including Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.
— -> Hmmm... Lack understanding then... read the history again then try one and not pick one of
story then you make look bad of Islam... If we moslems try to eradicate the disbelievers then
there will be no place for europe people to live.... When Saladin conquer ALL EUROPE...
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how does any of this crap from the quran prove that atheism necessarily equal immorality?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Actually no... the Qur’an mention is the disbeliever who attack moslem people not just physically but also phsyco...
so...
that is depending to the people afterall...
let say you atheist but you have good attitude that is enough for you...
Their are crazy people on both sides...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
GPlex, in Islam even if you are atheis but you not trying to attack us then that would be fine... we will never attack you afterall... but IF you try to attack us physically then we will attack you back... simple... we will not disturb your day coz for you your believe and for me my believe...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
GPlex, in Islam even if you are atheis but you not trying to attack us then that would be fine... we will never attack you afterall... but IF you try to attack us physically then we will attack you back... simple... we will not disturb your day coz for you your believe and for me my believe...
Well some people think if I make a cartoon, or bad mouth it will think that im attacking it.. they might be right, but it is my free speach rights that give me the right to say wtf I want...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
And yet making cartoon for Prophet Muhammad SAW the moslems people will attack you... if you do that then that is IMMORALITY... If you did nice to us that is MORALITY...
Simple...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
RageOverdose wrote:
Why in the hell would atheism mean immorality?
Just because you don’t believe in a deity doesn’t mean you have no morals. They can be based off things such as personal experiences or just how you think.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Well If I do that too will you angry to me...???
And yet making cartoon for Prophet Muhammad SAW the moslems people will attack you... if you do that then that is IMMORALITY... If you did nice to us that is MORALITY...
Simple...
So you don’t want me to have free speach? I never said I was going to kill or physical hurt you, I was only stating what I was thinking, but somehow thats immoral?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Just do a good things then Atheist like you becoming morality but if you try to attack people by mentally or physically and also attack religion that is IMMORALITY...
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Just do a good things then Atheist like you becoming morality but if you try to attack people by mentally or physically and also attack religion that is IMMORALITY...
Really so telling everyone the flaws in your book is immoral....
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Just do a good things then Atheist like you becoming morality but if you try to attack people by mentally or physically and also attack religion that is IMMORALITY...
Dude, by that same logic your entire religion is religion for telling people they’re going to hell. What do you think will be more likely to traumatize a child; molesting them, or telling them they’re going to burn in hell for all eternity? Either one you pick, they’re both attacking the child. One physically and one mentally.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Just do a good things then Atheist like you becoming morality but if you try to attack people by mentally or physically and also attack religion that is IMMORALITY...
Dude, by that same logic your entire religion is religion for telling people they’re going to hell. What do you think will be more likely to traumatize a child; molesting them, or telling them they’re going to burn in hell for all eternity? Either one you pick, they’re both attacking the child. One physically and one mentally.
Good example on how INMORAL some religons are..
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Dude, by that same logic your entire religion is religion for telling people they’re going to hell. What do you think will be more likely to traumatize a child; molesting them, or telling them they’re going to burn in hell for all eternity? Either one you pick, they’re both attacking the child. One physically and one mentally.
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I never heard immorality from the first I study Islam Religions... My ulama always show what paradise is and how beautiful its places... He mention hell but prefer to heaven and paradise... We moslems teach our children by physically but not very hard and we giving them understanding if we doing sholat we will go to heaven and if not you cant go to heaven... mentally... we teach our children by mentally and to give them a responsibility from the kid to grow up... they must understand what path they choose and what good for them... not we judge them and make them what we want and push them to do religion bidding... no... we have our rules and yet we never try to attack them mentally or physically...
Oh wait what about MARTIAL ARST...???
your point...???
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If Xtians truly think that morality comes from the Bible, needs to think for a second why they don’t stone disobiediant children to death. It says to do it in Leviticus. THE BIBLE IS NOT A SOURCE OF MORALITY!!! The 10 commandments are not the source of American law. IF and only IF they were the treaty of Tripoli would never had been signed (it declares the US is not a Xtian nation). Second that would mean that we would have no other gods than the judeo-xtian god as an American law.
Check out the theory of infinite regression, it really shows how impossible any god in the mold of the judeo-xtian god is.
And don’t give me any of that Pascals Wager B.S. either. And if you don’t know what these things are don’t even talk to me. Just know guys like me and others are a part of a new movement and we are ready to force religion to the fringes where it belongs.
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