seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
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seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
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speechless i know...
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seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Dident you just post this...anyway it’s stupid to me 2 Toei suck ass sooooo bad for doing it but its logical that if you dont train you become weaker and they dident.
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seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
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seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
Also the simple fact Vegeta and Gohan dont go higher than SSJ show’s they have grown weaker.
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
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seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
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oh and why would 18 have got stronger?, she settled down and had a kid with Krillin who stoped training?, if anything Androids have a set amount of power and a constant supply.
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
Kyle Knight wrote:
oh and why would 18 have got stronger?, she settled down and had a kid with Krillin who stoped training?, if anything Androids have a set amount of power and a constant supply.
you mean android 18 is not human and it can’t encrease her power but ten can?
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
it is said that kid goku had half the power of adult goku meaning that his ssj4 wont be that much stronger ....
at the end of dbz goku in his base form was as strong as kid buu even stronger imagin how strong he would be if he powered up to release his hidden power which is released by transforming into an ssj
seed wrote:
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
SSJ4 along with the entire GT series is non-canon.Also Goku was running away from Nova Shenron when he made himself hotter than the sun so heat vision would take care of him.Theres also the fact he was easily frozen.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
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Kyle Knight wrote:
oh and why would 18 have got stronger?, she settled down and had a kid with Krillin who stoped training?, if anything Androids have a set amount of power and a constant supply.
you mean android 18 is not human and it can’t encrease her power but ten can?
Well nothging surggest’s she was any stronger to me, i dunno if she can or not but why would she have trained is the real question?
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