| 28 Nov 2007 02:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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Manchester Black wrote:
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
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| 28 Nov 2007 02:34 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | 324234 wrote:
it is said that kid goku had half the power of adult goku meaning that his ssj4 wont be that much stronger ....
at the end of dbz goku in his base form was as strong as kid buu even stronger imagin how strong he would be if he powered up to release his hidden power which is released by transforming into an ssj
oh please Uub hadent a clue how to use his power and showed nowere near as much power as Kid Buu there incompareable.
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| 28 Nov 2007 02:38 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
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ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
SSJ4 along with the entire GT series is non-canon.Also Goku was running away from Nova Shenron when he made himself hotter than the sun so heat vision would take care of him.Theres also the fact he was easily frozen.
And there is the pittiful Fact SSJ4 dident beat both Super 17 or Omega...his Kid self did omg how shit was SSJ4 i mean really what was it good for???
If power consepts from Z were kept and Toriyama had been more involved the power scale would not have been so fucked up, and SSJ4 might have been half decent but he dident and everything suffered majorly i hate GT Goodnight.
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| 28 Nov 2007 02:45 pm |
Regular Rep: 1  Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 141 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
SSJ4 along with the entire GT series is non-canon.Also Goku was running away from Nova Shenron when he made himself hotter than the sun so heat vision would take care of him.Theres also the fact he was easily frozen.
So? No he wasn’t, he fought O-Mega Shenron head on! Lmfao. 
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| 28 Nov 2007 03:01 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | DarkoftheOld wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
SSJ4 along with the entire GT series is non-canon.Also Goku was running away from Nova Shenron when he made himself hotter than the sun so heat vision would take care of him.Theres also the fact he was easily frozen.
So? No he wasn’t, he fought O-Mega Shenron head on! Lmfao.
And got his SSJ4 ass handed to him lol
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| 28 Nov 2007 06:51 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1 Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,123 OFFLINE | I would say Supes since GT Goku’s way weaker except for the fact that SSJ4 far outshines SSJ3 and he can do the USB...
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| 28 Nov 2007 07:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | that made no sence GT Goku is way weaker yet it outshines SSJ3 Goku...
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| 28 Nov 2007 07:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 1Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,123 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
that made no sence GT Goku is way weaker yet it outshines SSJ3 Goku...
Umm SSJ3 Goku got whooped by Bebi but SSJ4 made him run away...
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| 28 Nov 2007 08:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
that made no sence GT Goku is way weaker yet it outshines SSJ3 Goku...
Umm SSJ3 Goku got whooped by Bebi but SSJ4 made him run away...
LMAO -tears in eyes- Goku was a kid again his power was nothing on his adult form he couldent handle SSJ3 anymore, even when he returned with his tail Babi said he hadent improved Kid Goku was pathetic compared with Adult Z Goku SSJ3 and so is Super Saiyan Ozzaru for that matter...u really need to go back and read a few pages to debate here bud, just some freindly advice (i really dont wanna shatter your already shabby reputation anymore) cmon its getting boreing playing with you like this...
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,478 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
seed wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
seed wrote:
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,478 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
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Kyle Knight wrote:
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Manchester Black wrote:
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:28 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,478 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
seed wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
seed wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
gt is a sequel of z and db.
tell me is this kid goku is stronger than ssj4?
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:29 pm |
Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | I can answer the first one.Supreme Kai himself stated that the potara earring fusion is greater than the other kinds of fusion one reason being because it doesn’t last for 30 minutes.
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:32 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,478 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
I can answer the first one.Supreme Kai himself stated that the potara earring fusion is greater than the other kinds of fusion one reason being because it doesn’t last for 30 minutes.
it means that vegeto can destroy universe?
because it says this is more greater than movie fusion.
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:34 pm |
Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | I find the thing about Janemba destroying the universe very very false.Goku seems some guy he just met and then claims he can destroy the universe when all he sees him do is make a rift and punch him.
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,478 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
I find the thing about Janemba destroying the universe very very false.Goku seems some guy he just met and then claims he can destroy the universe when all he sees him do is make a rift and punch him.
is it that guy that turns into janemba?
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:36 pm |
Regular Rep: 2  Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | All Things Aside
When Goku Absorbed The DragonBall’s At The End Of Gt He Became A God Like Entity..
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:37 pm |
Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | TheUltimateSaiyanBroly wrote:
All Things Aside
When Goku Absorbed The DragonBall’s At The End Of Gt He Became A God Like Entity..
One problem.The dragon balls don’t work on guys stronger than them.Such as 18.
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| 28 Nov 2007 10:38 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
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Kyle Knight wrote:
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Kyle Knight wrote:
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Kyle Knight wrote:
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Kyle Knight wrote:
seed wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
seed wrote:
dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
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