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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
TheUltimateSaiyanBroly wrote:
All Things Aside
When Goku Absorbed The DragonBall’s At The End Of Gt He Became A God Like Entity..
One problem.The dragon balls don’t work on guys stronger than them.Such as 18.
unless the one that handle it is much stronger than 18.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6 Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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I can answer the first one.Supreme Kai himself stated that the potara earring fusion is greater than the other kinds of fusion one reason being because it doesn’t last for 30 minutes.
it means that vegeto can destroy universe?
because it says this is more greater than movie fusion.
Majin Buu nearly destroyed the universe when he started makeing multiple rips in the dimention Vegeito stoped him so im assumeing yes Vegito can destroy the Universe aswell
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“What do you call a Lesbien with long Finger’s...Well Hung” “What do you call a Lesbien with long Finger nails...single" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:42 pm |
Regular Rep: 2  Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | 18 has nothing to do with immortality which the dragon can grant any1, and if absorbed perhaps even omnipotence.
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"BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:42 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
gt is a sequel of z and db.
tell me is this kid goku is stronger than ssj4?
yea Kid Goku killed Omega and Super 17 lol what dont you understand Kid oku is less than Z Goku and id Goku is more than SSJ4 Goku...
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Regular Rep: 2Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | if you remember the dragon did take the bomb out of her chest.
and had the power to bring goku back... but goku stated he did not wish to return because bad guys are always seeking him out and endangering the earth.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
2.no remember kami is 1000 times stronger than popo and popo own kid goku but after that the last tournament goku and piccolo surpassed kami.
so if kami is stronger than vegeta from saiyan era the earth dont needs goku’s power.
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Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | But remember it also couldn’t turn 18 human.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
gt is a sequel of z and db.
tell me is this kid goku is stronger than ssj4?
yea Kid Goku killed Omega and Super 17 lol what dont you understand Kid oku is less than Z Goku and id Goku is more than SSJ4 Goku...
is this what you’re thinking,right?
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Regular Rep: 2Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | so in fact they do work or else they wouldn’t have even made that scene in Gt.
plus it explains his eternally youthful body at the end of gt when goku jr and vegeta jr are fighting and goku appears in the stadium.
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"BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:49 pm |
Regular Rep: 2Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | remember gt is most defiantly non cannon so gt will go the way they show it.
so even know there are kinks in the story line i’d still have to say The Absorbed DB’s Worked.
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"BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:49 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
But remember it also couldn’t turn 18 human.
i think 18 is human the only thing that remove is the bomb right?
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
gt is a sequel of z and db.
tell me is this kid goku is stronger than ssj4?
yea Kid Goku killed Omega and Super 17 lol what dont you understand Kid oku is less than Z Goku and id Goku is more than SSJ4 Goku...
is this what you’re thinking,right?
Yep thats what im pretty dam sure of lol
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | TheUltimateSaiyanBroly wrote:
so in fact they do work or else they wouldn’t have even made that scene in Gt.
plus it explains his eternally youthful body at the end of gt when goku jr and vegeta jr are fighting and goku appears in the stadium.
he didnt get old right?
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Regular Rep: 2Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 188 OFFLINE | yea but she was modified so she was both android and human with a bomb which the dragon took out.
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"BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:51 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
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Ok ill give you something to chew over ok, Dr Gero says to Myu Android 17 should have been alot stronger than he was but becuase Gero died and 17 awoke early he could not complete him (17’s power was estimated by Gero to have been greater than Cell’s was).
So given this is the case Both 17 model’s were stronger than Cell was toying with Trunk’s Vegeta Gohan and Co proveing my point the Z Fighters were weaker.
Now merged that would equal SSJ2 Gohan’s power if indeed there power’s are merged and SSJ2 Gohan toppled Cell with half his power?, or rather they were abit stronger than SSJ2 Gohan because they were stronger than Cell was.
the main point is Super 17 was stronger than SSJ4 Goku or on par but the fact is he could not beat 17 and that would mean SSJ4 was around as strong SSJ2 Gohan was...
(witch is invitable as also a non cannon consept like GT is the game series were Perfect Cell fight’s Super 17 for the title of ultimate Android...and Cell win’s)...
so it means goku didn’t need a ssj4 to defeat the android so to defeat the android he needs to go ssj2 only?
dont tell toriyama creates a ssj4 character that is more weaker than ssj2 or equal.
That’s exactly how it is...
Toriyama had very little to do with GT he just veiwed it and nodded his head at certain idea’s (like a grand overseer) rather in the same way he did with the movie’s.
As for the question dident you notice Goku’s Kid Form in SSJ did better against Super 17 without need of SSJ2,3 and when he went SSJ4 his fighting style went out the window?...
oh you meant kid goku is better than ssj4 and stronger than that?
Yea Goku beat 2 out of three of GT’s bad guys with his Kid Form lol, and Kid Goku had nothing on Z Goku
gt is a sequel of z and db.
tell me is this kid goku is stronger than ssj4?
yea Kid Goku killed Omega and Super 17 lol what dont you understand Kid oku is less than Z Goku and id Goku is more than SSJ4 Goku...
is this what you’re thinking,right?
Yep thats what im pretty dam sure of lol
so your conlcusion kid goku own ssj4?
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"BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3" | | | 28 Nov 2007 10:53 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,893 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
2.no remember kami is 1000 times stronger than popo and popo own kid goku but after that the last tournament goku and piccolo surpassed kami.
so if kami is stronger than vegeta from saiyan era the earth dont needs goku’s power.
Kami was amazingly powerful, Popo was blocking Goten and Trunks in Super Saiyan for crying out loud and Kami more than outwaighs Popo so yes haveing Kami’s power did boost Piccolo by alot, and remember Kami was frail and old and represented the wisdom and knollage of the too makeing the dragon balls and so forth, Piccolowasthe fighter type who trained for his power.
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
2.no remember kami is 1000 times stronger than popo and popo own kid goku but after that the last tournament goku and piccolo surpassed kami.
so if kami is stronger than vegeta from saiyan era the earth dont needs goku’s power.
Kami was amazingly powerful, Popo was blocking Goten and Trunks in Super Saiyan for crying out loud and Kami more than outwaighs Popo so yes haveing Kami’s power did boost Piccolo by alot, and remember Kami was frail and old and represented the wisdom and knollage of the too makeing the dragon balls and so forth, Piccolowasthe fighter type who trained for his power.
if kami is too powerfull it means his power is over a 150,000,000 ki and strenght.if you will say kami is half piccolo power and strenght he can kill raditz,vegeta,nappa,freeza etc...
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
2.no remember kami is 1000 times stronger than popo and popo own kid goku but after that the last tournament goku and piccolo surpassed kami.
so if kami is stronger than vegeta from saiyan era the earth dont needs goku’s power.
Kami was amazingly powerful, Popo was blocking Goten and Trunks in Super Saiyan for crying out loud and Kami more than outwaighs Popo so yes haveing Kami’s power did boost Piccolo by alot, and remember Kami was frail and old and represented the wisdom and knollage of the too makeing the dragon balls and so forth, Piccolowasthe fighter type who trained for his power.
if kami is too powerfull it means his power is over a 150,000,000 ki and strenght.if you will say kami is half piccolo power and strenght he can kill raditz,vegeta,nappa,freeza etc...
No Kami is the intelligence Piccolo the brawn and Kami hasremained on par with Piccolo’s brawn with his mind throughout the years...Kami isnt a fighter
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,416 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
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dbz goku what base version?
ssj,ssj2,ssj3?
Adult SSJ3 and more than likely end of series Goku.
you mean ssj3 is more powewrfull than ssj4?
He’s catching on SSJ4 is a non-Cannon flaw witch is by DBZ law cetifiably weaker than SSJ3 Goku
ssj4 is a canon we know toriyama created that.
so it means to them if a character is non canon it means he is weak?
Nahhh i dont think non Cannon is weak just look at the Z non Cannon that Buff’s up alot of people from what they were, its just in GT the creators made many errors on how the fundimental consepts of Super Saiyan power’s work lol, they completely missed Mystic Gohan lol and most of the cast were made many times weaker.
Do you really think Goten Trunks and Gohan SSJ and untrained along with Pan should have been enough to give Super Saiyan Ozzaru (SSJ4 too you his full power in that state).
you mean if you combine those 3 characters and give power to goku it means the power is weak?
Well yea Gohan Goten and Trunks did little to no training for 20yrs yet there SSJ energy boosted Goku to MAX power in that state...its obsurd
well there is no proof that they are not training for 20 years and you can’t under estimate there power there.
remember like piccolo and kami merge?kami is weak compared to piccolo but it gives him a power.
OMG were do i start, Goten and Trunks were sent on the trip through space becuase of there slacking but Pan went instead its the prime reason they went, i mean Trunks even struggles to go Super Saiyan because he hasnt trained in so long(makeing him weaker than when he was a little kid for pete’s sake) and Vegeta and Goku are often seen speaking of how Trunks and Goten are both slakers at the end of Z and beggining of GT also Gohan has settled down and become a scholar and can no longer use Mystic...no proof my foot!
And yes Piccolo’s power was devided in half when he split makeing him much stronger than he was, but remember this i Z its logical in opose to GT and its elogical power scale’s.
it means to you that their power combine is only just a ssj2 which is wrong
so it means to you the ssj2 from cell saga can own ssj4.
that was piccolo from db saga and his power there is weak so it means that the piccolo from android is is more powerfull than kami.
from dbz they are not equal powers.
Actually yes your getting it, Gohan Buu saga dident train 7yrs and was less than half his previouse power, Gohan GT dident train for 20yrs makeing him much weaker still.
Goten and Trunk’s alone wernt stronger than SSJ2 Gohan was and in GT they struggled with SSJ and had gotten weaker so yea they probably struggle to reach SSJ2 Gohan’s power in all honesty.
As for the power scale if you train your power go’s up in SSJ aswell as base form so im saying Lack of training made them weaker in all forms aswell, were as training would have boosted there power (in anycase even if they had trained 3 SSJ’s dont equal a SSJ3 they barely cover SSJ2.
erm not sure were ur going with the Piccolo thing...u lost me completely lol
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
it is stupid for me if i would say gt powers decreasing.
for me the ssj from gt is more powerfull than ssj dbz.
and toriyama would laugh at toei because his characters decreased thier powers.
Well that’s how it is buddy Toei mad them weaker i mean just look at the fact’s.
Goten Trunks Gohan Vegeta Goku they all took major blows in power.
1. Trunks struggled to go SSJ his kid form blitzed it no problem being able to train ubove 150 times earths gravity in base form (GT Trunks cant lift a small pillar of bricks without SSJ)
2. Goten was droped by Babi in a human body lol
3. Trunks in GT gets ass raped by Android 17 who is far less than Cell, and the other 17 gets the better of Vegeta
4. all are seen only to go SSJ no higher
5. Super 17 mocks Vegeta saying he has gone soft cus of old age.
6. There was a 20yr gap in Goten Trunk’s and Gohan’s training Vegeta is sixty odd yrs old and Goku is a Kid.
7. Trunks says Pan enraged might even be stronger than him when she floor’s general Lock.
8. Goten Trunk’s and Co are seen destroying Yakon Android 19 Siabamen and Nappa and basicaly all the other weak trash from Z and Ball (no really powerful opponents face them).
3.unless toie makes android 17 get boost
4.but it doesn’t mean they are weak
giving the power to goku doesn’t mean ssj2=to ssj4.
because we know piccolo merge to kami which is far weaker than piccolo jr of db saga.
1. I knew u would say that lol,
Trunks haveing not trained and struggleing with his SSJ form was weaker than he was as a kid who even in SSJ could not take on Android 18 with the help of Goten in the tornament lol, so 17 would require no power up to beat Trunks up anyway (and Kid Trunks was weaker than Future Trunk’s who could go USSJ) and is still far below Cell who is intern less than Gohan’s SSJ2 in the Cell Games.
2. It kinda douse bud if they were all weaker their power’s would mabe topple SSJ2 Gohan’s combined,
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
1.we know every saga just like ten and others 18 can also encrease her power so it is hard to get the exact power of 18 and trunks.
2.your point?
it doens’t mean that giving a power means less power.
just like piccolo and kami he get more power and surpassed goku that time.
Gohan would be weaker than he was at thebeggining of th Buu Saga (about half of the Cell Games SSJ2 in power and a weakened Goten and Trunk’s...might make up the differance, oh yea and Pan...lol)
your point?
1. If Gohan Goten Trunks had offered there power from Z Goku would have been alot stronger...
2. well if your weak then the power you give is weak if your strong the power you give is strong get it?
look i gotta go collage but i leave you with this uture Trunks who actually trained and went USSJ would pwn the slacking GT Trunks who cant even handle SSJ, and Future Trunks was a bug to Cell and Cell was a bug to Gohan SSJ2, just look at what 7yrs lack of training did too Gohan now imagine 20yrs and u may see why there so underpowered.
1.toei creates that gt it means more stronger,remember their movie about janemba and goku and correct me if im wrong someone said from other thread that janemba can destroy universe
and he was own by gogeta.
2.that is wrong kami more weaker than goku from dragon ball saga merge to picolo and he gets more boost and surpassed ssj goku.
1. nahhh Gogeta used the weaker form of Fushion with the dance Vegeto was made with the Portara Earing’s a much stronger form of fushion, Janemba was really powerfull and neither Goku or Vegeta could beat him alone...
2. Kami was half of Piccolo’s strenth not in power but in wisdom when they merged it filled the void like fushion makeing a being stronger than both, this is why they surpassed Super Saiyan plus its in the logical Zverse.
1.weaker form of fusion?you must proove this.
what vegeta can kill janemba alone?
2.your’re wrong because piccolo is stronger than kami.
they are not equal in strenght.
1. Elder Kia said Potara is superior in the very cannon DBZ Manga
2. no but Kami was vastly powerful in wisdom and knollage and was half of piccolo so combined the too were 2wice as powerful mabe more.
2.no remember kami is 1000 times stronger than popo and popo own kid goku but after that the last tournament goku and piccolo surpassed kami.
so if kami is stronger than vegeta from saiyan era the earth dont needs goku’s power.
Kami was amazingly powerful, Popo was blocking Goten and Trunks in Super Saiyan for crying out loud and Kami more than outwaighs Popo so yes haveing Kami’s power did boost Piccolo by alot, and remember Kami was frail and old and represented the wisdom and knollage of the too makeing the dragon balls and so forth, Piccolowasthe fighter type who trained for his power.
if kami is too powerfull it means his power is over a 150,000,000 ki and strenght.if you will say kami is half piccolo power and strenght he can kill raditz,vegeta,nappa,freeza etc...
No Kami is the intelligence Piccolo the brawn and Kami hasremained on par with Piccolo’s brawn with his mind throughout the years...Kami isnt a fighter
but he doens’t have powers and he don’t have the power like ssj,vegeta etc..
yea he is not a fighter but he own kid goku but the last tournament goku own him.
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