Lathen Hide wrote:
Ok guy’s this debate call’s for that third party that takes all into perspective and i really think it should be me i follow both charicters so ill start with some yes no questions ok (please give answer and reason why).
1. Goku is the most skilled fighter in DBZ and this sometimes allows him to fight on par with much stronger enemys. yes/no
2. Gohan has alotmore power than Goku but isnt quight as skilled. yes/no
3. Goku demonstrated he could not hurt Kid Buu or Fat Buu but his skill helped him go on par with them. yes/no
4. Goku held back the whole show and NEVER went allout? yes/no
5. Gohan was superior to Goku without energy loss and a time limit. yes/no
6. Goku could defeat Fat Buu and Kid Buu in an instant. yes/no
7. Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. yes/no
8. Fat Buu is stronger than an SSJ2. yes/no
9. Gohan held back on Super Buu. yes/no
10. Goku and Gohan are on the same level. yes/no
This should clear up alot of issue’s simple yes no quiz and why you belive that, then we will discuss answers peacefully, no name calling (ULXR lol) and please no spamming.
Kyle Knight wrote:
1. not true at all just your opinion
2. he is stronger just not as skilled
3. No Goku did nothing so its all guess work from there, so no proof...
4. Kid Buu toyed with everyone and it took an SSB to beat Kid Buu...
5. yea that and his power wasnt drained rapidly...
6. Goku never effected either Buu he was a far shout from killing them instantly.
7. and in the MANGA with mr Akira he is the most dangerouse Buu...
8. Fat Buu fought Goku in SSJ3 with little trouble he was loveing it he could pwn an SSJ2 no problem.
9. so yea Gohan held back
10. huh when was he proven better in that film???
1) skilled we both agree on.. more powerful is proved below.
2)Like I Said Gohan Is At most = To Goku.. And Less Skilled
3)he demonstrated he was a match for fat buu by not even trying.. he demonstrated close to equality to kid buu but later stated he could have killed kid buu had he intended to from the start.
4) yep.. like i said if goku had taken the chance he stated he had.. it would have been a ss3 that took kid buu down..
5)this proves gohan would last a longer time.. doesn’t prove he is stronger.
6)not in an instant but close.. fat buu being weaker than kid buu needs no example so i will only state one for gokus superiority over kid buu.
goku said he needed only 5 min to regain the power needed to destroy kid buu.. thats when vegeta steped in and took a beating for nothing.. because the strain drained goku and like i said goku’s an idiot for not taking that chance at the start.
7) yes kid buu is the strongest buu.. how many times do i have to say it.. Kabito kai states that all buu with kais absorbed = weaker to kid buu. and if you read the back of the dvd it states kid buu as stronger. plus theres the fact he wooped fat buus fat ass right after whooping vegetas ass who was much harder for buu when he was a fatty himself, which was right after whooping goku SS3’s ass becasue goku is an idiot and didnt finish the fight when he could have.. which he stated.
8)Of Course Fat buu Had Little Trouble.. goku Wasnt Trying. And you could say the same for goku.. he had no problem toying with buu just to buy time.... vegeta completely kicked buus ass.. re watch that epi. the only and I MEAN the ONLY reason Fat Buu is Alive Is becasue he can regenerate .. thats all Folks.
9) so did goku. this proves nothing
10) when gohan got his ass knocked out right after gotenks.. and goku took several of that creatures attacks head on and then vaporized him with a super dragon fist.. thats when.
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Besides The Powerlevels being Completly Off On that Site You Gave Me... They Also Say Mystic Gohan is Weaker There.. So You Just Refered A Site In Your Defense That Was Against You.
Here is a link to the site you gave me below.. why dont you read the last sentence of mystic gohan.
1. Goku is the most skilled fighter in DBZ and this sometimes allows him to fight on par with much stronger enemys. yes/no
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Yes... He can copy someone techs with just see it once... He have something like Sharingan...
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2. Gohan has alotmore power than Goku but isnt quight as skilled. yes/no
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Yes... He has a lot of power... But less in skill...
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3. Goku demonstrated he could not hurt Kid Buu or Fat Buu but his skill helped him go on par with them. yes/no
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Goku SSJ3 can kill both of them... but Goku not Vegeta... Goku love to fight and enjoy the fight... While Vegeta fight for pride and kill (for fun too)...
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4. Goku held back the whole show and NEVER went allout? yes/no
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No... He few times using his full power... like when fight Cell and Android...
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5. Gohan was superior to Goku without energy loss and a time limit. yes/no
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No... He have time when he loss power like when fighting Reecom...
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6. Goku could defeat Fat Buu and Kid Buu in an instant. yes/no
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No... Goku need time to do this...
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8. Fat Buu is stronger than an SSJ2. yes/no
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Fat Buu stronger than SSJ2 maybe like Fat Buu >>>> SSJ2 but not very far different...
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9. Gohan held back on Super Buu. yes/no
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No... He was using all his power but he still defeated...
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10. Goku and Gohan are on the same level. yes/no
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No... Goku and Vegeta stronger than Gohan... at least Gohan has twice awaken his full power but Goku and vegeta never exp that awakening...
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Lathen Hide wrote:
Ok guy’s this debate call’s for that third party that takes all into perspective and i really think it should be me i follow both charicters so ill start with some yes no questions ok (please give answer and reason why).
1. Goku is the most skilled fighter in DBZ and this sometimes allows him to fight on par with much stronger enemys. yes/no
2. Gohan has alotmore power than Goku but isnt quight as skilled. yes/no
3. Goku demonstrated he could not hurt Kid Buu or Fat Buu but his skill helped him go on par with them. yes/no
4. Goku held back the whole show and NEVER went allout? yes/no
5. Gohan was superior to Goku without energy loss and a time limit. yes/no
6. Goku could defeat Fat Buu and Kid Buu in an instant. yes/no
7. Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. yes/no
8. Fat Buu is stronger than an SSJ2. yes/no
9. Gohan held back on Super Buu. yes/no
10. Goku and Gohan are on the same level. yes/no
This should clear up alot of issue’s simple yes no quiz and why you belive that, then we will discuss answers peacefully, no name calling (ULXR lol) and please no spamming.
Kyle Knight wrote:
1. not true at all just your opinion
2. he is stronger just not as skilled
3. No Goku did nothing so its all guess work from there, so no proof...
4. Kid Buu toyed with everyone and it took an SSB to beat Kid Buu...
5. yea that and his power wasnt drained rapidly...
6. Goku never effected either Buu he was a far shout from killing them instantly.
7. and in the MANGA with mr Akira he is the most dangerouse Buu...
8. Fat Buu fought Goku in SSJ3 with little trouble he was loveing it he could pwn an SSJ2 no problem.
9. so yea Gohan held back
10. huh when was he proven better in that film???
1) skilled we both agree on.. more powerful is proved below.
2)Like I Said Gohan Is At most = To Goku.. And Less Skilled
3)he demonstrated he was a match for fat buu by not even trying.. he demonstrated close to equality to kid buu but later stated he could have killed kid buu had he intended to from the start.
4) yep.. like i said if goku had taken the chance he stated he had.. it would have been a ss3 that took kid buu down..
5)this proves gohan would last a longer time.. doesn’t prove he is stronger.
6)not in an instant but close.. fat buu being weaker than kid buu needs no example so i will only state one for gokus superiority over kid buu.
goku said he needed only 5 min to regain the power needed to destroy kid buu.. thats when vegeta steped in and took a beating for nothing.. because the strain drained goku and like i said goku’s an idiot for not taking that chance at the start.
7) yes kid buu is the strongest buu.. how many times do i have to say it.. Kabito kai states that all buu with kais absorbed = weaker to kid buu. and if you read the back of the dvd it states kid buu as stronger. plus theres the fact he wooped fat buus fat ass right after whooping vegetas ass who was much harder for buu when he was a fatty himself, which was right after whooping goku SS3’s ass becasue goku is an idiot and didnt finish the fight when he could have.. which he stated.
8)Of Course Fat buu Had Little Trouble.. goku Wasnt Trying. And you could say the same for goku.. he had no problem toying with buu just to buy time.... vegeta completely kicked buus ass.. re watch that epi. the only and I MEAN the ONLY reason Fat Buu is Alive Is becasue he can regenerate .. thats all Folks.
9) so did goku. this proves nothing
10) when gohan got his ass knocked out right after gotenks.. and goku took several of that creatures attacks head on and then vaporized him with a super dragon fist.. thats when.
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Besides The Powerlevels being Completly Off On that Site You Gave Me... They Also Say Mystic Gohan is Weaker There.. So You Just Refered A Site In Your Defense That Was Against You.
Here is a link to the site you gave me below.. why dont you read the last sentence of mystic gohan.
1. Yea Goku is more skilled and by a fair margin ill give him that but Gohan has always had the advantage in pure untainted power even since he was alittle kid, and if you were y a fan you would remember Goku explaining Gohan’s strnth ubove his own on many occations.
Namely this one:
2. Gohan is clearly stronger he pwned with even more ease (Super Buu) a stronger enemy than Goku (Fat Buu).
3. No bud Fat Buu and Kid Buu were haveing a wail of a time with Goku and Co he never came close to finishing them, and with the energy he had it was unlikely he could have pulled of th win it took an SSB to beat Kid Buu on top of his attacks already...
4. noooo because an SSB did it and Goku is minute in comparison to one of those... he fough a loseing battle he said mabe he could it was uncertain if he actualy could or not but from what we have seen he had little effect.
5. Goku couldent evn reach Max power and was in a weaker body than before meaning he couldent handle SSJ3 as good as before when he was already struggleing, Mystic dousent struggle actually hurt his foe without trying and showed to be as strong if not strongerthan his farther thought he was.
6. Actually Goku needed 1 minute lol and couldent achive full power proveing one thing to us he couldent beat Buu, and he already stated it was marely a posibility not a fact that he could beat him in th first place (your relying on Goku’s theory he could win when he had no idea of his own power supply it dousent say much for your case) and notice when he fails the first idea that sprung into his mind is Gohan and Gotenks should come face Buu...hmmm wonder why.
7. actually read what i post lol, Fat Buu got weaker and still fought with Kid Buu lasting for awhile (and actually hitting him) Evil Buu rapes Fat Buu flawlessly pwning Kid Buus effort and Super Buu is even stronger...nuff said, P.S i was marely stateing you used MANGA power levels when your surposed to be useing Anime???, like i said MANGA states Kid Buu is the most evil and Dangerouse never the strongest.
8. you dident just state Porky Pig did you...anyway yea Fat Buu was playing with Goku aswell, so their is no ground’s for you here...
9. Yea but Goku did jack shit and got pumbled were as Gohan toyed with his opponent???
10. Oh yea AFFFTER the Buu saga in the Movie made by Toei who completely excluded Mystic Gohan in Gt made Goten and Trunks kick Brollys ass, Gohan kill Freiza in one punch in base form Gohan’s SSJ Frm was able to pull Brollys arms together after 7yrs no training, Freiza and Cell were beat by child Goku in base Form and Uub was pathetic to what he truely should have been...also Shenron explodes out of Goku’s fist and kills Headrigarn...wtf is up with that (but yea lets include movie’s).
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog"
Pete da Beast wrote:
By the Buu Saga, Gohan, by the end and overall of DBZ, Goku due to the 10 year training and then training with Uub.
Buu saga SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan, End of Z Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku from the Buu saga so yeah...
The Golden Soil wrote:
Gohan fot the win then hole Uub thing was a pise of shit made by the makers of GT
Wtf? Quit bitching. Toriyama has that shit on PAPER buddy... Omfg, get off of Gohan’s DICK!
Kyle Knight wrote:
No Goku wasnt all that strong Uub dident even no how to control his power’s and barely shook a stadium with there blow’s when he fought Kid Buu the heavens themselves were shakeing (well thats what Supream Kia say’s) and the decimated a planet.
Bam! There we go. “The heavens were shaking when Goku fought Kid Buu AND a planet FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more durable than Earth was destroyed” Did that happen when Gohan and Super Buu fought? No... Ok and why did Goku ask Kid Buu to get reincarnated? Cuz he was the STRONGEST. I mean if he really was weaker than Super Buu (which he wasn;t) he would have WAY surpassed him in 10 years and he would’ve been a worthier opponent. Oh wait he’s NOT stronger than Kid Buu! Since Ubb is a reinacarnation, he has ALL of KB’s power... He got pissed and let out some power and it was enough to hurt base Goku who was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga. Hmm...I wonder... Oh and if you don’t belive me about the KB being the strongest part, then you forget the shit about Vegeta saying that Goku pushes himself to the limit...Since that’s true he would have made a wish for SUPER BUU to be reincarnated but he didn’t so Kid Buu’s stronger. Kthxbai.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Not really if Gohans max potential is ubove what Goku can reach then he would hit a dead end in power, unless with the saiyan ability to surpass themselves kicked in?, Goku Gt really seemed alot weaker than Z Goku (Super Buu decimated the Lookout Goku and Uub cracked it alittle for example).
Funny who Gohan’s max isn’t further than Goku’s potential, hell Goku surpassed it without doing anything in the Buu saga... And that’s the whole point, Goku and Vegeta HAVE no limit so that’s why Base Goku @ the end of Z was strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga who was much stronger than Gohan.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Goku was dead, the father-son kamehameha doesnt exist, that name is given to thsi attack in video games and by general meaning, “father son kamehameha” was NEVR used in the anime.
Yes it WAS. Oh and Goku was dead in Bojack Unbound, but he returns to sock Bojack in the face - HARD to save Gohan...like he always has too... Oh and that name WAS used in the manga... Exactly not the “anime” And you say I didn’t read the manga... It uses THAT name in the manga, super kamehameha was a name given by Gohan fans...
Pete da Beast wrote:
What is funnier is that Pikkon IS from the anime, and the anime alone. He doesn’t exist in the manga.
You’re really on crack if you plan to use the anime... Then I get to use the movies...
- Buu and he was holding back o_0* And Gogeta is so powerful, he destroyed a being capable of warping time, space, dimensions and the works to his whim with ONE hit. Oh and the fucking DBZ DIETIES stood no goddamn chance against the MUCH weaker form who was SLAUGHTERED by Goku. Oh and he’s so powerful his base form is SSJ...
- SSJ3 Goku killed a thing @ 100% power that DECIMATED Mystic Gohan at half power (the tail)
- Goku can absorb an SSB into himself and ascend to levels unknown to ANYBODY
- Goku can multiply his power by many times when pissed - Giji Saiyan against Lord Slug...
- Goku can use Super Kaio-ken. Let me show you this way. Full power Cell was a little stronger than SSJ Goku right? SSJ2 Gohan was way stronger than Cell. SPC was SO much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan that he wrecked him in one hit. Follow so far? Well Pikkon BEASTED on this Ascended form of Cell (the strongest being in the universe at the time) and Goku fights on par or close in SSJ with this guy. Then he just uses Kaio-Ken X ONE to beat him. He could go up to 20 in the Frieza saga alone... I don’t wanna know what he’s capable of NOW.
UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle: Using anime right?
K then that makes the movies canon...
Pete da Beast wrote:
By the Buu Saga, Gohan, by the end and overall of DBZ, Goku due to the 10 year training and then training with Uub.
Buu saga SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan, End of Z Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku from the Buu saga so yeah...
The Golden Soil wrote:
Gohan fot the win then hole Uub thing was a pise of shit made by the makers of GT
Wtf? Quit bitching. Toriyama has that shit on PAPER buddy... Omfg, get off of Gohan’s DICK!
Kyle Knight wrote:
No Goku wasnt all that strong Uub dident even no how to control his power’s and barely shook a stadium with there blow’s when he fought Kid Buu the heavens themselves were shakeing (well thats what Supream Kia say’s) and the decimated a planet.
Bam! There we go. “The heavens were shaking when Goku fought Kid Buu AND a planet FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more durable than Earth was destroyed” Did that happen when Gohan and Super Buu fought? No... Ok and why did Goku ask Kid Buu to get reincarnated? Cuz he was the STRONGEST. I mean if he really was weaker than Super Buu (which he wasn;t) he would have WAY surpassed him in 10 years and he would’ve been a worthier opponent. Oh wait he’s NOT stronger than Kid Buu! Since Ubb is a reinacarnation, he has ALL of KB’s power... He got pissed and let out some power and it was enough to hurt base Goku who was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga. Hmm...I wonder... Oh and if you don’t belive me about the KB being the strongest part, then you forget the shit about Vegeta saying that Goku pushes himself to the limit...Since that’s true he would have made a wish for SUPER BUU to be reincarnated but he didn’t so Kid Buu’s stronger. Kthxbai.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Not really if Gohans max potential is ubove what Goku can reach then he would hit a dead end in power, unless with the saiyan ability to surpass themselves kicked in?, Goku Gt really seemed alot weaker than Z Goku (Super Buu decimated the Lookout Goku and Uub cracked it alittle for example).
Funny who Gohan’s max isn’t further than Goku’s potential, hell Goku surpassed it without doing anything in the Buu saga... And that’s the whole point, Goku and Vegeta HAVE no limit so that’s why Base Goku @ the end of Z was strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga who was much stronger than Gohan.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Goku was dead, the father-son kamehameha doesnt exist, that name is given to thsi attack in video games and by general meaning, “father son kamehameha” was NEVR used in the anime.
Yes it WAS. Oh and Goku was dead in Bojack Unbound, but he returns to sock Bojack in the face - HARD to save Gohan...like he always has too... Oh and that name WAS used in the manga... Exactly not the “anime” And you say I didn’t read the manga... It uses THAT name in the manga, super kamehameha was a name given by Gohan fans...
Pete da Beast wrote:
What is funnier is that Pikkon IS from the anime, and the anime alone. He doesn’t exist in the manga.
You’re really on crack if you plan to use the anime... Then I get to use the movies...
- Buu and he was holding back o_0* And Gogeta is so powerful, he destroyed a being capable of warping time, space, dimensions and the works to his whim with ONE hit. Oh and the fucking DBZ DIETIES stood no goddamn chance against the MUCH weaker form who was SLAUGHTERED by Goku. Oh and he’s so powerful his base form is SSJ...
- SSJ3 Goku killed a thing @ 100% power that DECIMATED Mystic Gohan at half power (the tail)
- Goku can absorb an SSB into himself and ascend to levels unknown to ANYBODY
- Goku can multiply his power by many times when pissed - Giji Saiyan against Lord Slug...
- Goku can use Super Kaio-ken. Let me show you this way. Full power Cell was a little stronger than SSJ Goku right? SSJ2 Gohan was way stronger than Cell. SPC was SO much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan that he wrecked him in one hit. Follow so far? Well Pikkon BEASTED on this Ascended form of Cell (the strongest being in the universe at the time) and Goku fights on par or close in SSJ with this guy. Then he just uses Kaio-Ken X ONE to beat him. He could go up to 20 in the Frieza saga alone... I don’t wanna know what he’s capable of NOW.
You havealready used this lol and it got answered a few pages back...
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog"
UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle: Using anime right?
K then that makes the movies canon...
Pete da Beast wrote:
By the Buu Saga, Gohan, by the end and overall of DBZ, Goku due to the 10 year training and then training with Uub.
Buu saga SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan, End of Z Base Goku = SSJ3 Goku from the Buu saga so yeah...
The Golden Soil wrote:
Gohan fot the win then hole Uub thing was a pise of shit made by the makers of GT
Wtf? Quit bitching. Toriyama has that shit on PAPER buddy... Omfg, get off of Gohan’s DICK!
Kyle Knight wrote:
No Goku wasnt all that strong Uub dident even no how to control his power’s and barely shook a stadium with there blow’s when he fought Kid Buu the heavens themselves were shakeing (well thats what Supream Kia say’s) and the decimated a planet.
Bam! There we go. “The heavens were shaking when Goku fought Kid Buu AND a planet FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more durable than Earth was destroyed” Did that happen when Gohan and Super Buu fought? No... Ok and why did Goku ask Kid Buu to get reincarnated? Cuz he was the STRONGEST. I mean if he really was weaker than Super Buu (which he wasn;t) he would have WAY surpassed him in 10 years and he would’ve been a worthier opponent. Oh wait he’s NOT stronger than Kid Buu! Since Ubb is a reinacarnation, he has ALL of KB’s power... He got pissed and let out some power and it was enough to hurt base Goku who was as strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga. Hmm...I wonder... Oh and if you don’t belive me about the KB being the strongest part, then you forget the shit about Vegeta saying that Goku pushes himself to the limit...Since that’s true he would have made a wish for SUPER BUU to be reincarnated but he didn’t so Kid Buu’s stronger. Kthxbai.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Not really if Gohans max potential is ubove what Goku can reach then he would hit a dead end in power, unless with the saiyan ability to surpass themselves kicked in?, Goku Gt really seemed alot weaker than Z Goku (Super Buu decimated the Lookout Goku and Uub cracked it alittle for example).
Funny who Gohan’s max isn’t further than Goku’s potential, hell Goku surpassed it without doing anything in the Buu saga... And that’s the whole point, Goku and Vegeta HAVE no limit so that’s why Base Goku @ the end of Z was strong as SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga who was much stronger than Gohan.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Goku was dead, the father-son kamehameha doesnt exist, that name is given to thsi attack in video games and by general meaning, “father son kamehameha” was NEVR used in the anime.
Yes it WAS. Oh and Goku was dead in Bojack Unbound, but he returns to sock Bojack in the face - HARD to save Gohan...like he always has too... Oh and that name WAS used in the manga... Exactly not the “anime” And you say I didn’t read the manga... It uses THAT name in the manga, super kamehameha was a name given by Gohan fans...
Pete da Beast wrote:
What is funnier is that Pikkon IS from the anime, and the anime alone. He doesn’t exist in the manga.
You’re really on crack if you plan to use the anime... Then I get to use the movies...
- Buu and he was holding back o_0* And Gogeta is so powerful, he destroyed a being capable of warping time, space, dimensions and the works to his whim with ONE hit. Oh and the fucking DBZ DIETIES stood no goddamn chance against the MUCH weaker form who was SLAUGHTERED by Goku. Oh and he’s so powerful his base form is SSJ...
- SSJ3 Goku killed a thing @ 100% power that DECIMATED Mystic Gohan at half power (the tail)
- Goku can absorb an SSB into himself and ascend to levels unknown to ANYBODY
- Goku can multiply his power by many times when pissed - Giji Saiyan against Lord Slug...
- Goku can use Super Kaio-ken. Let me show you this way. Full power Cell was a little stronger than SSJ Goku right? SSJ2 Gohan was way stronger than Cell. SPC was SO much stronger than SSJ2 Gohan that he wrecked him in one hit. Follow so far? Well Pikkon BEASTED on this Ascended form of Cell (the strongest being in the universe at the time) and Goku fights on par or close in SSJ with this guy. Then he just uses Kaio-Ken X ONE to beat him. He could go up to 20 in the Frieza saga alone... I don’t wanna know what he’s capable of NOW.
1. Yea Goku is more skilled and by a fair margin ill give him that but Gohan has always had the advantage in pure untainted power even since he was alittle kid, and if you were y a fan you would remember Goku explaining Gohan’s strnth ubove his own on many occations.
Namely this one:
2. Gohan is clearly stronger he pwned with even more ease (Super Buu) a stronger enemy than Goku (Fat Buu).
3. No bud Fat Buu and Kid Buu were haveing a wail of a time with Goku and Co he never came close to finishing them, and with the energy he had it was unlikely he could have pulled of th win it took an SSB to beat Kid Buu on top of his attacks already...
4. noooo because an SSB did it and Goku is minute in comparison to one of those... he fough a loseing battle he said mabe he could it was uncertain if he actualy could or not but from what we have seen he had little effect.
5. Goku couldent evn reach Max power and was in a weaker body than before meaning he couldent handle SSJ3 as good as before when he was already struggleing, Mystic dousent struggle actually hurt his foe without trying and showed to be as strong if not strongerthan his farther thought he was.
6. Actually Goku needed 1 minute lol and couldent achive full power proveing one thing to us he couldent beat Buu, and he already stated it was marely a posibility not a fact that he could beat him in th first place (your relying on Goku’s theory he could win when he had no idea of his own power supply it dousent say much for your case) and notice when he fails the first idea that sprung into his mind is Gohan and Gotenks should come face Buu...hmmm wonder why.
7. actually read what i post lol, Fat Buu got weaker and still fought with Kid Buu lasting for awhile (and actually hitting him) Evil Buu rapes Fat Buu flawlessly pwning Kid Buus effort and Super Buu is even stronger...nuff said, P.S i was marely stateing you used MANGA power levels when your surposed to be useing Anime???, like i said MANGA states Kid Buu is the most evil and Dangerouse never the strongest.
8. you dident just state Porky Pig did you...anyway yea Fat Buu was playing with Goku aswell, so their is no ground’s for you here...
9. Yea but Goku did jack shit and got pumbled were as Gohan toyed with his opponent???
10. Oh yea AFFFTER the Buu saga in the Movie made by Toei who completely excluded Mystic Gohan in Gt made Goten and Trunks kick Brollys ass, Gohan kill Freiza in one punch in base form Gohan’s SSJ Frm was able to pull Brollys arms together after 7yrs no training, Freiza and Cell were beat by child Goku in base Form and Uub was pathetic to what he truely should have been...also Shenron explodes out of Goku’s fist and kills Headrigarn...wtf is up with that (but yea lets include movie’s).
Please Read All Below.. I Went Out Of My Way And Color Coded It So Its Easier To tell Between The Answers.
1)Yes That Was The Cell Saga And I Agree With You Then... But Even if gohan is stronger in the buu saga he had to have the help of old kai and ancient magic.
2)Prove that super buu is stronger than fat buu.. if someone split you in two peices good from evil.. and your evil side absorbed your good side that is in no way a power increase.. piccolo states only more evil came out of that he never says more powerful.
3)Fat Buu Was FIghting A Goku Who Was Not Trying.. Thats Established.. But Kid Buu Did Toy And The Reason Was Stated To Be That goku Wanted Vegeta To Have A Turn.. Proof That Goku COuld Have Defeated Kid buu At the Start Was Said When Goku Stated He Only Needed 1 Min To Gain Back the Wasted power Necessary To Defeat Him.
4)Goku Told Us He Held back For Vegeta.. That Much is Clear.. and If Super Spirit Bomb Is So Great It Should Be Stronger Than Gohan As Well.. As It Had Gohans Energy Inside Of It Along With The Rest of The Z Warriors Including the Entire Earths Population.
what you have to remember is that ssb had way more power than nessesary, right after it destroyed kid buu it went on to make an enormous crater trail before dispersing the gigantic left over power.
5)So Your Saying The goku Who fought kid buu relentlessly in ss3 multiple times during the fight and showing no way near as much weakness and wear as he did against fat buu . is weaker compared to when he fought fat buu.. come on he showed other wise. (its because of the time left on earth not the transformation)
6)goku couldn’t achieve full power in 1 min.. i agree but at the start of the fight he had that full power. and thought he could have gotten it back.. what you must accept is that goku had that power at the start otherwise he wouldn’t have tryed to get it back.
7)kid buu has shown to play around.. like how he did with ss2 goku before getting a little more serious with ss3. just as he played with fat buu then decided to kill him.. which even vegeta stated “the fat ones dead” kid buu is not to be underestimated just because he is playfully deadly.
8)actually i was thinking bugs bunny but the porky one works better since we were on the topic of fat buu.
9)since both were either holding back or not trying its not a fair assessment of either of there full powers.. one thing does catch my attention and its gohans fight with super buu (Gotenks Absorbed) And Then When Goku Fought Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed).. Goku Was Obviously Superior In That Comparison.
10)this confusion doesnt suprise me since you look at dbz a different way than i do.. but if goku is as powerful as i have shown then wrath of the dragon makes perfect since.. with gohan being 2nd and gotenks 3rd.
Remember Toei is approved by Akira Toriyama otherwise they wouldnt be able to make the films.
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Last edited 10 Dec 2007 04:19 pm by TheUltimateSaiyanBroly
1)Yes That Was The Cell Saga And I Agree With You Then... But Even if gohan is stronger in the buu saga he had to have the help of old kai and ancient magic.
2)Prove that super buu is stronger than fat buu.. if someone split you in two peices good from evil.. and your evil side absorbed your good side that is in no way a power increase.. piccolo states only more evil came out of that he never says more powerful.
3)Fat Buu Was FIghting A Goku Who Was Not Trying.. Thats Established.. But Kid Buu Did Toy And The Reason Was Stated To Be That goku Wanted Vegeta To Have A Turn.. Proof That Goku COuld Have Defeated Kid buu At the Start Was Said When Goku Stated He Only Needed 1 Min To Gain Back the Wasted power Necessary To Defeat Him.
4)Goku Told Us He Held back For Vegeta.. That Much is Clear.. and If Super Spirit Bomb Is So Great It Should Be Stronger Than Gohan As Well.. As It Had Gohans Energy Inside Of It Along With The Rest of The Z Warriors Including the Entire Earths Population.
what you have to remember is that ssb had way more power than nessesary, right after it destroyed kid buu it went on to make an enormous crater trail before dispersing the gigantic left over power.
5)So Your Saying The goku Who fought kid buu relentlessly in ss3 multiple times during the fight and showing no way near as much weakness and wear as he did against fat buu . is weaker compared to when he fought fat buu.. come on he showed other wise. (its because of the time left on earth not the transformation)
6)goku couldn’t achieve full power in 1 min.. i agree but at the start of the fight he had that full power. and thought he could have gotten it back.. what you must accept is that goku had that power at the start otherwise he wouldn’t have tryed to get it back.
7)kid buu has shown to play around.. like how he did with ss2 goku before getting a little more serious with ss3. just as he played with fat buu then decided to kill him.. which even vegeta stated “the fat ones dead” kid buu is not to be underestimated just because he is playfully deadly.
8)actually i was thinking bugs bunny but the porky one works better since we were on the topic of fat buu.
9)since both were either holding back or not trying its not a fair assessment of either of there full powers.. one thing does catch my attention and its gohans fight with super buu (Gotenks Absorbed) And Then When Goku Fought Super Buu (Gotenks Absorbed).. Goku Was Obviously Superior In That Comparison.
10)this confusion doesnt suprise me since you look at dbz a different way than i do.. but if goku is as powerful as i have shown then wrath of the dragon makes perfect since.. with gohan being 2nd and gotenks 3rd.
Remember Toei is approved by Akira Toriyama otherwise they wouldnt be able to make the films.
1. So what if Gohan had HIS power unlocked, douse that make it any less impressive that he achived in two days what took his father 7yrs and thensome.
2. Right Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber and become twice as powerful, Now SSJ Gotenks was stated to be able to beat Fat Buu so Gotenks achieving SSJ3 witch no 1 even thought possible was on par with Super Buu makeing Super Buu 2wice as strong.
3. That’s wrong Both Buu’s were nowere near defeated and Goku say’s MABE, he is uncertain and when he tried he couldent even gather the power needed to strike th winning blow.
4. Goku did hold back for Vegeta, and Kid Buu toyed with all of them he wasnt even hurt or weakened, and yes SSB is greater than Gohan but like you say the SSB had far too much power anyway so Gohan probably could have beaten Kid Buu.
Another thing Goku uses it to take the maximum possible energy from people without killing them Goten Trunks Gohan Piccolo the whole crew and they all fall asleep or are weakened (anymore like King Kia said and they would take the energy they needed to live), nowmy point is this Gohan is still helping people when he give’s his power to the SSB and it shows he is fine this means Gohan still had power to spare as he uses it to fly to the lookout.
5. Nope Goku even said in otherworld SSJ3 was easy but in a liveing body it lag’s, this pleases Vegeta to know it isnt easy.
6. Yes Goku had the power he thought could kill Kid Buu witch might have it might not but all we know is it took him 2 attempts and he failed to reach the third attempt, and Kid Buu was fine.
7. Yea the same Fat Buu that Evil Grey Buu picked apart flawlessly yet Kid Buu was hit buy and even took a break wipeing sweat of his head from fighting.
8. ...wtf
9. What are you talking about Gohan was actually fighting Gotenks Buu hitting him and blocking him, Goku gets Pwned and only blasts him offguard lol out of the two fights Gohan showed he could actually fighthim unaffraid were as Goku could barly hold his own and was very much affraid.
10. Not really Toei drifted away from Akira’s conseptions and made there own, hence GT witch had many holes witch i wont go into as there are so many, even the Movie’s hold no consistentsy with the series, but if and only IF we must include Movies Goku was stronger due to training after th Buu saga for Uub, Gohan as we all no stops and settles down so yea Goku did surpass him in the end.
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Kyle Knight wrote:
1. So what if Gohan had HIS power unlocked, douse that make it any less impressive that he achived in two days what took his father 7yrs and thensome.
yes because w/o it he would just be ... well 3rd rate.. hey i have an idea lets let goku sit on his ass for a day while old kai reads comics and give him a mystic boost and call him an honorable warrior.
Kyle Knight wrote:
2. Right Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber and become twice as powerful, Now SSJ Gotenks was stated to be able to beat Fat Buu so Gotenks achieving SSJ3 witch no 1 even thought possible was on par with Super Buu makeing Super Buu 2wice as strong.
not really.. it just made gotenks twice as strong.. brought him up to fat buu’s level.
Kyle Knight wrote:
3. That’s wrong Both Buu’s were nowere near defeated and Goku say’s MABE, he is uncertain and when he tried he couldent even gather the power needed to strike th winning blow.
Goku Vs Kid buu “I Should Have Done It... Darn!" Is Not Maybe.. And Everyone Knows Kid Buu Is Stronger Than Fat buu.. So that Takes Care of Both of Them. And Then Goku Stating That He Needed Only 1 Minute To Gain Back The Power He Had At The Start.. Thats A Given..and vegeta stating that he had more than enough power to defeat kid buu as a ss3 theres 3 examples... GokuSS3 > Kid Buu > FatBuu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
4. Goku did hold back for Vegeta, and Kid Buu toyed with all of them he wasnt even hurt or weakened, and yes SSB is greater than Gohan but like you say the SSB had far too much power anyway so Gohan probably could have beaten Kid Buu.
Another thing Goku uses it to take the maximum possible energy from people without killing them Goten Trunks Gohan Piccolo the whole crew and they all fall asleep or are weakened (anymore like King Kia said and they would take the energy they needed to live), nowmy point is this Gohan is still helping people when he give’s his power to the SSB and it shows he is fine this means Gohan still had power to spare as he uses it to fly to the lookout.
flying is nothing to them... krillin could do it in dragonball with a powerlevel of 206.. and make it to the lookout.
Kyle Knight wrote:
5. Nope Goku even said in otherworld SSJ3 was easy but in a liveing body it lag’s, this pleases Vegeta to know it isnt easy.
and your forgeting the strain of running out of time on earth.. goku was doing far better without a time restraint... Goku Vs Kid buu.. Did Much Better Than Goku vs Fat buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
6. Yes Goku had the power he thought could kill Kid Buu witch might have it might not but all we know is it took him 2 attempts and he failed to reach the third attempt, and Kid Buu was fine.
and thats becasue he was dumb enough not to go all out in the beginning and destroy kid buu just for vegeta to have a turn.
Kyle Knight wrote:
7. Yea the same Fat Buu that Evil Grey Buu picked apart flawlessly yet Kid Buu was hit buy and even took a break wipeing sweat of his head from fighting.
Lol its like you forget or something... kid buu had fought Goku SS2/Goku SS3/Vegeta SS2/& Then Finally Fat Buu W/o Resting Of Course He’s Not Gonna Be Top Game.
Kyle Knight wrote:
8. ...wtf
Wtf Wtf
Kyle Knight wrote:
9. What are you talking about Gohan was actually fighting Gotenks Buu hitting him and blocking him, Goku gets Pwned and only blasts him offguard lol out of the two fights Gohan showed he could actually fighthim unaffraid were as Goku could barly hold his own and was very much affraid.
actually buutenks didn’t do anything to goku as opposed to using gohan as a punching bag regardless of what feelings they were having
Kyle Knight wrote:
10. Not really Toei drifted away from Akira’s conseptions and made there own, hence GT witch had many holes witch i wont go into as there are so many, even the Movie’s hold no consistentsy with the series, but if and only IF we must include Movies Goku was stronger due to training after th Buu saga for Uub, Gohan as we all no stops and settles down so yea Goku did surpass him in the end.
“Z” Still Goes By The Manga “GT” Has No Manga.. Therefore “Z” Was Made And Done So With Akira’s Help Throughout.. unlike Gt
Actually Going With just the Anime And Not the Movie.. You Still Must Come To the Conclusion Of Goku Being the Best At the End Of DBZ.. That Was Part of DBZ When he Trained For Many Years I Think It Was 10 or Something And FOught Uub
--- "BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3"
Last edited 10 Dec 2007 10:27 pm by TheUltimateSaiyanBroly
Kyle Knight wrote:
1. So what if Gohan had HIS power unlocked, douse that make it any less impressive that he achived in two days what took his father 7yrs and thensome.
yes because w/o it he would just be ... well 3rd rate.. hey i have an idea lets let goku sit on his ass for a day while old kai reads comics and give him a mystic boost and call him an honorable warrior.
Kyle Knight wrote:
2. Right Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber and become twice as powerful, Now SSJ Gotenks was stated to be able to beat Fat Buu so Gotenks achieving SSJ3 witch no 1 even thought possible was on par with Super Buu makeing Super Buu 2wice as strong.
not really.. it just made gotenks twice as strong.. brought him up to fat buu’s level.
Kyle Knight wrote:
3. That’s wrong Both Buu’s were nowere near defeated and Goku say’s MABE, he is uncertain and when he tried he couldent even gather the power needed to strike th winning blow.
Goku Vs Kid buu “I Should Have Done It... Darn!" Is Not Maybe.. And Everyone Knows Kid Buu Is Stronger Than Fat buu.. So that Takes Care of Both of Them. And Then Goku Stating That He Needed Only 1 Minute To Gain Back The Power He Had At The Start.. Thats A Given..and vegeta stating that he had more than enough power to defeat kid buu as a ss3 theres 3 examples... GokuSS3 > Kid Buu > FatBuu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
4. Goku did hold back for Vegeta, and Kid Buu toyed with all of them he wasnt even hurt or weakened, and yes SSB is greater than Gohan but like you say the SSB had far too much power anyway so Gohan probably could have beaten Kid Buu.
Another thing Goku uses it to take the maximum possible energy from people without killing them Goten Trunks Gohan Piccolo the whole crew and they all fall asleep or are weakened (anymore like King Kia said and they would take the energy they needed to live), nowmy point is this Gohan is still helping people when he give’s his power to the SSB and it shows he is fine this means Gohan still had power to spare as he uses it to fly to the lookout.
flying is nothing to them... krillin could do it in dragonball with a powerlevel of 206.. and make it to the lookout.
Kyle Knight wrote:
5. Nope Goku even said in otherworld SSJ3 was easy but in a liveing body it lag’s, this pleases Vegeta to know it isnt easy.
and your forgeting the strain of running out of time on earth.. goku was doing far better without a time restraint... Goku Vs Kid buu.. Did Much Better Than Goku vs Fat buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
6. Yes Goku had the power he thought could kill Kid Buu witch might have it might not but all we know is it took him 2 attempts and he failed to reach the third attempt, and Kid Buu was fine.
and thats becasue he was dumb enough not to go all out in the beginning and destroy kid buu just for vegeta to have a turn.
Kyle Knight wrote:
7. Yea the same Fat Buu that Evil Grey Buu picked apart flawlessly yet Kid Buu was hit buy and even took a break wipeing sweat of his head from fighting.
Lol its like you forget or something... kid buu had fought Goku SS2/Goku SS3/Vegeta SS2/& Then Finally Fat Buu W/o Resting Of Course He’s Not Gonna Be Top Game.
Kyle Knight wrote:
8. ...wtf
Wtf Wtf
Kyle Knight wrote:
9. What are you talking about Gohan was actually fighting Gotenks Buu hitting him and blocking him, Goku gets Pwned and only blasts him offguard lol out of the two fights Gohan showed he could actually fighthim unaffraid were as Goku could barly hold his own and was very much affraid.
actually buutenks didn’t do anything to goku as opposed to using gohan as a punching bag regardless of what feelings they were having
Kyle Knight wrote:
10. Not really Toei drifted away from Akira’s conseptions and made there own, hence GT witch had many holes witch i wont go into as there are so many, even the Movie’s hold no consistentsy with the series, but if and only IF we must include Movies Goku was stronger due to training after th Buu saga for Uub, Gohan as we all no stops and settles down so yea Goku did surpass him in the end.
“Z” Still Goes By The Manga “GT” Has No Manga.. Therefore “Z” Was Made And Done So With Akira’s Help Throughout.. unlike Gt
Actually Going With just the Anime And Not the Movie.. You Still Must Come To the Conclusion Of Goku Being the Best At the End Of DBZ.. That Was Part of DBZ When he Trained For Many Years I Think It Was 10 or Something And FOught Uub
1. Mabe old Kia would have if Goku hadnt blasted him in the face lol, however he did say he could do something with Gohan completely overlooking Goku (probably due to all Gohan’s hidden energy, if he had done it to Goke the effect would not have been as great).
2. Did you forget SSJ Gotenks was equal to Fat Buu nevermind the fact they trained doubleing their strenth and in SSJ could still do jack to Super Buu, only in SSJ3 a much higher level than anyone even thought they would reach were they equal to Super Buu (and if Buu did improve in every way this includes strenth and power).
3. There are many wholes in your argument
a, Goku says “i sould have done it...darn” he is marly saying he should have tried it and now hes to weak.
b, Fat Buu was weaker since seperateing with Evil Buu.
c. Since when was Vegeta a pro on SSJ3’s how would he know how much power it would take to beat Buu.
4. Goku was takeing the max he could without takeing the energy they needed to live, everyone includeing Goten and Trunk’s fall asleep cus of this Gohan is fine he is helping people lie down and rest not even sweating, this shows he has energy reseerves.
5. That’s a lie Goku vs Fat Buu as holding back significantly, and so was Goku vs Kid Buu, Goku vs Kid Buu was raped badly by Kid Buu then there is the fact Goku even told us it was easy to use SSJ3 in a dead body.
6. No Goku was just dumb and shouldent have held back at all that way they might have won without useing the Dragonball’s relying on Hercule Fat Buu Denda Supream Kia and all of Planet earth lol.
7. Well their we have it Kid Buu got tired from fighting Goku SSJ3 holding back SSJ2 Vegeta and a weaker Fat Buu, Super Buu fights Gotenks SSJ,SSJ3 and Mystic Gohan holding back
8. WTF WTF
9. Gohan punches kicks and tosses Gotenks Buu around actually fighting him longer, Goku is seen not landing a single blow besides when he was ofguard...
10. and that movie was made after Z...
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog"
1. Mabe old Kia would have if Goku hadnt blasted him in the face lol, however he did say he could do something with Gohan completely overlooking Goku (probably due to all Gohan’s hidden energy, if he had done it to Goke the effect would not have been as great).
Since When Did You Start Listening To What They Say In The Anime Lol.
Kyle Knight wrote:
2. Did you forget SSJ Gotenks was equal to Fat Buu nevermind the fact they trained doubleing their strenth and in SSJ could still do jack to Super Buu, only in SSJ3 a much higher level than anyone even thought they would reach were they equal to Super Buu (and if Buu did improve in every way this includes strenth and power).
UseLess Speculation.. SSJ Gotenks Never FOught Fat buu.. He Unfused Before He Could. He FOught Superbuu Even Blowing Him To Bits Before he Used SS3...
Kyle Knight wrote:
3. There are many wholes in your argument
a, Goku says “i sould have done it...darn” he is marly saying he should have tried it and now hes to weak.
b, Fat Buu was weaker since seperateing with Evil Buu.
c. Since when was Vegeta a pro on SSJ3’s how would he know how much power it would take to beat Buu.
A) This Would Be True But Thats Taken Out Of Context.. They Go On To Say That With Only 1 Mins Time He Can Regan The Power He Had At The Start... The Power Necessary To Defeat Kid buu. But Like You Said The Strain Of Being A SS3 Made That A Waste Of time.. Like I Said From The Beginning.. Goku Should Have Taken The Chance At The Start & And Gone All Out> Thus Goku’s Statement “I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT... DARN!" & Vegetas Statement “You Have More Than Enough Power As A Super Saiyan 3”
And Thats Why Kid Buu Was Laughing While Beating The Shit Out Of Him.
C) Since He Fought The Superbuu Fusions.
He Has Seen & Fought Extents Beyond Kid Buu.. Fusion Buus.
Kyle Knight wrote:
4. Goku was takeing the max he could without takeing the energy they needed to live, everyone includeing Goten and Trunk’s fall asleep cus of this Gohan is fine he is helping people lie down and rest not even sweating, this shows he has energy reseerves.
Do You Realy Think Goku Would Purposly Leave Gohans Power Alone.. Becasue He Was Worried He Might Sleep.. COMEON The Fate Of The Universe Is At Stake.. Gohan Can Operate At A Level Lower Than 200. Come on You And Me Operate At A PL Of 1.. Unless You Have A Rifle Then You HAve A PL Of 5 Lol.
Kyle Knight wrote:
5. That’s a lie Goku vs Fat Buu as holding back significantly, and so was Goku vs Kid Buu, Goku vs Kid Buu was raped badly by Kid Buu then there is the fact Goku even told us it was easy to use SSJ3 in a dead body.
A) Who Was Sweating And Falling On One Knee After “Not Trying”
Fat Buu Goku Was
Who Was Worried About The Time Left On Earth And Speaking As If He Was Going To Pass Out After “Not Trying”
Fat Buu Goku Was
C)Who Was Using SS3 Like A Pro Not Trying With No Sweating And A Heart Of A Lion..
Kid Buu Goku Was
Kyle Knight wrote:
6. No Goku was just dumb and shouldent have held back at all that way they might have won without useing the Dragonball’s relying on Hercule Fat Buu Denda Supream Kia and all of Planet earth lol.
This Is Speculation And I Speculate Differently As I Have More Faith In Goku Than That. I dunno Maybe Its His Ability To Pull Rabits Out Of His Ass At The Last Second.
Kyle Knight wrote:
7. Well their we have it Kid Buu got tired from fighting Goku SSJ3 holding back SSJ2 Vegeta and a weaker Fat Buu, Super Buu fights Gotenks SSJ,SSJ3 and Mystic Gohan holding back
Thus Fat Buu Was A Challenge...
And Proves What I Said..
Now If Goku Had Gone All Out From The Beginning.. VICTORY!
Kyle Knight wrote:
8. WTF WTF
WTF WTF WTF Lol
Kyle Knight wrote:
9. Gohan punches kicks and tosses Gotenks Buu around actually fighting him longer, Goku is seen not landing a single blow besides when he was ofguard...
Maybe You Should Look At It like This...
Question) Who Did Gotenks buu Land Multiple Blows On
Anwser) Gohan
Kyle Knight wrote:
10. and that movie was made after Z...
Being With In Side The Z Franchise Its Still Bound By Akira Toriyama.
And I think You Didnt Read The Blue Part So I’ll Repost It Below For You To Reply To.
“Actually Going With just the Anime And Not the Movie.. You Still Must Come To the Conclusion Of Goku Being the Best At the End Of DBZ.. That Was Part of DBZ When he Trained For Many Years I Think It Was 10 or Something And FOught Uub."
--- "BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3"
Last edited 11 Dec 2007 03:47 pm by TheUltimateSaiyanBroly
Sorry Kyle i gotta take this, i love DBZ so much that i cant sit by and let this novice reduce everything i know and love about the show like this, Brolly you give fan a bad name buddy ive watched DBZ through and through ive seen the manga and own it ive watched the movie’s and ive even seen Akira Toriyama, i wont REPEAT wont sit by and let you take apart the show i love and put it back together in your own likeing I WOOOONT!
1. Since Old Kia can read people’s potential’s it’s only common logic that defines he saw Gohan’s vast ammount hence saying “hmm i can do something with a man like you” and since it is well known both that Gohan has a higher potential than Goku and Half Breed’s have higher potential than Pure Blood’s then it’s safe to assume thats why Old Kia would use Gohan not Goku and the effect it had would be much greater.
2. It’s as much speculation as your reach that Goku state’s he can beat both Fat Buu and Kid Buu when he dident do Jack to either of them, im sorry but seriously you cant use quotes and say its valid and say another man’s are useless speculation, and since both statements came from Goku must be held in the same context.
So you get your lil quote and Kyle get’s his fair is fair, and if i get mine id use the part were Piccolo states Gohan is the strongest thing he has ever senced before he powers up to fight Super Buu, but that pretty much wrap’s up this little argument.
3. Ouch so much crap wrong here it hurt’s,
a, Goku was reaching when he said he could beat Kid Buu he really had no idea (like me and you going three rounds easy, and me saying i could have won if i went all out) its speculation only and isnt a fact or valid proof Goku could win.
b, yea a weaker Fat Buu stalled Kid Buu for awhile actually punching and kicking him, i remember Evil Buu pounced the same Buu’s ass flawlessly the SAME Buu.
Kid Buu thrashed Fat Buu but it took time and he was hit Evil Buu totally thrashed him flawlessly proveing Evil Buu owns Kid Buu and this is a fact you get that “FACT” f.a.c.t undeniable thats how it went down...FACT oop’s sorry habbit.
C. Vegeta’s word isnt all that reliable, he constantly underestimates his enemy thinking he has the power to destroy them throughout DBZ (even his best effort did shit to Fat Buu), he was owned by Mystic Buu,Super Buu,Kid Buu how the fuck would he know how much power is required to wipe out Kid Buu and how the hell would he know shit about SSJ3 he only ever saw it in that exact battle he is as much an expert as the next guy.
Mabe thats why he realised a Spirit Bomb was the only choice.
4. God you dont catch on to well bud, Goku takes the Max possible energy without killing anyone the MAX (key word MAX), as King Kia said “take anymore and you will be takeing away from the energy they need to live” and Gohan was fine after Goku took the MAX he could take.
5. OMG this one’s easy resolved, Goku was fine till after the fight with Fat Buu, against Kid Buu he had to try his little heart out because it was harder to use SSJ3.
Goku states this and it’s the only thing that really matters in this part of the argument aside from how awsome you think his effort was against Kid Buu.
“Man in otherworld SSJ3 was..well easy but in this liveing form it chuggs” meaning liveing body weak dead body strong problem solved.
6. Goku got his ass handed too him 2wice by a Buu that was playing, also beat Vegeta 3 times and Fat Buu once Goku stood no chance as became apparent in the end, it even gets to the point Goku’s hits do no damage and Kid Buu is mocking him, there is your saviour’s power and he was too dumb to go allout in the first place (tough shit as far as im conserned) he would have died and relied on Hercule Vegeta Fat Buu Supream Kai Denda The Dragon Purunga and all of Earth tbt.
7. LMAO you honestly belive that, Kid Buu saw Goku through his max power 2wice Vegeta 3 times and then Buu and only then sweat’s abit, Goku stood no chance in hell.
8. WTF PWNED BOY WTF PWNED BOY WTF PWNED BOY
9. Actually Goku was seen getting hit nearly every point in their very brief confrentation (when they teliport Gotenks Buu comes out on top every time Gohan actually was holding his own for longer), and Goku was all so affraid to even face him or did you miss the fact he craps himself begging for more time and was willing to fuse with Gohan for life rather than attempt it...
10. Toei isnt bound by Akira Toriyama lmao its a seperate company that bought the right’s to DB Akira is more of an overseer now he only ever saw brife bit’s and peices of the work they were doing only takeing in Bardock Goku’s farther as the 1 thing he liked that he did not create, the movie’s hold no consistensy with the series.
And its hard to say at the end of DBZ if Goku was stronger than Gohan its probable, but his fight with Uub wasnt much to go by lol.
That’s all i have to say on the subject for now but this is the truth,
1. Kid Buu is the most Evil Buu with no sence of mercy of morality he would destroy the planet at the drop of the hat, but he is by no mean’s the most powerful or skilled.
2. Gohan is more powerful than Goku as Akira intended, he always dreamed Gohan would one day surpass his farther and take over the show, but fandom demanded Goku hence the sudden change in the Buu saga’s show, Gohan was stronger but Goku was the Hero.
"Lathen Hide” You Are The Biggest Idiot I have Ever Come Across.. Even More So Than Go2movies. I Quote Directly From The Show And Own Every DB DBZ DBGT DVD Uncut And Have Watched Them Repetitively.. What Does That Say About How Much A Fan You Are? I Was A DBZ Fan When you Were Still Swimming Around in Your Mothers Ball Sack.
Everything Above Deserves No Response As None Of It Is Right, At least i Could Have A Normal Debate With Kyle As opposed To You Flipping Out Because I Showed You The Truth..
The Truth Hurts I Just Didnt Think It Would Hurt Someone As Badly As It Did You.
Stop Crying.. Maybe One Day You’ll Realize The Truth.. Now Run Along Lil Nooblet.
--- "BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3"
Last edited 13 Dec 2007 05:30 pm by TheUltimateSaiyanBroly
Brolly that’s out of order ive watched every episode of DBZ aswell ive owned it 2wice and watched it since i was 11 (im 20 now) that is 9 year’s of fandom lol.
I have to say that if the man has met Akira Toriyama then its probabal that he know’s more than we do so his word is probably reliable...you could try disproveing him rather than act like some 15yr old baby lol
(I Was A DBZ Fan When you Were Still Swimming Around in Your Mothers Ball Sack) you do no women dont have ball’s right...
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog"
look kyle.. lathen noob started the name calling.. did you read his post? we were having a normal debate at a mature level. then he came in..
And I Was Referring To Latens Mom Being A Guy.
I’ll Respect you as you are like i am.. i have been into dbz for about the same amount of time perhaps maybe longer but only by a year or so as i am around your age... but seriously You need to keep lathen on a leash.
Now We Can Go Back To Debating..
P.S. Do you Really Think Meeting Someone Makes You All Knowing.. Wow If this is true I’mma Go Meet Chuck Noris So I Can Become A Black Belt.
--- "BROLY - The Legendary Super Saiyan 3"
Last edited 13 Dec 2007 07:39 pm by TheUltimateSaiyanBroly
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And Thats Why Kid Buu Was Laughing While Beating The Shit Out Of Him.