| 03 Dec 2007 08:43 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | Why? ---

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| 03 Dec 2007 09:05 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31  Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,255 OFFLINE | Why is this under religeon? ---
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| 03 Dec 2007 11:15 pm |
Derdev on Religion Guest | Read this one:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp | |
| 05 Dec 2007 07:16 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Because it criticizes religion.
yeah but its fake all fiction books are fake.Who knows Philip Pullman might be talking about other gods think about it there are plenty of religion that goes to church ---

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| 05 Dec 2007 10:11 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,095 OFFLINE | Kinda funny how they are freaking out. Oh no a book that bashes God and Christians. What will we ever do?
Cause it’s so bad ya know. But when there are hundreds of books bashing pageans, athiest, other religions, all this even included in the holy books as well is just pure hypocrisy. ---

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| 05 Dec 2007 10:13 pm |
-:Angel of Independence:- Rep: 49  Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 9,874 OFFLINE | I’m watching the movie  ---
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| 05 Dec 2007 11:46 pm |
Banned Rep: 51  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Well the book’s theme is about the abuse of power. What better way to portray this than Christianity?
Still, I find it funny how these Christians are so blindly hypocritical by claiming this book series is trying to sell atheism to kids yet they send kids to Sunday school, Jesus camp, private Catholic schools, church, etc. --- Zeitgeist: Addendum
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| 06 Dec 2007 06:12 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Well the book’s theme is about the abuse of power. What better way to portray this than Christianity?
Still, I find it funny how these Christians are so blindly hypocritical by claiming this book series is trying to sell atheism to kids yet they send kids to Sunday school, Jesus camp, private Catholic schools, church, etc.
thats a good point philip pullman is trying to say if you abuse your power you will be punished ---

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| 07 Dec 2007 02:41 am |
Derdev on Golden Compas Guest | The church has taken a strong stance against this book for many reasons.
1. The story talks about a world where everybody has a fellow spirit known as a demon which they raise into a monster to protect them (which is a warning flag to most conservative christians). There was a similar sentiment within the church about the pokemon craze.
2. The series culminates in the protagonists traveling to heaven and assassinating God, who is a senile and deluded old man. Not only is it graffic, it depicts an act that the church would understandably not want to promote.
So no, it’s not because it “promotes atheism” it’s because it’s a series with a very sour message. In fact the writer of the series has come out and publicly declared that he is trying to oppose the christian message being put out, mentioning many “horrible” christian authors including C. S. Lewis.
I’m sorry but if you come out with a book series with the soul intent of creating a counter balance against christian literature, than you are not going to be well received.
On a personal note, the author seems somewhat petty, if what he is truely attempting to write these books just to spite other authors.
I figured I would present the other side of the arguement as my good friend Ramunematt has pointed out his side very thoroughly already. | |
| 07 Dec 2007 05:37 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | Derdev on Golden Compas wrote:
The church has taken a strong stance against this book for many reasons.
1. The story talks about a world where everybody has a fellow spirit known as a demon which they raise into a monster to protect them (which is a warning flag to most conservative christians). There was a similar sentiment within the church about the pokemon craze.
2. The series culminates in the protagonists traveling to heaven and assassinating God, who is a senile and deluded old man. Not only is it graffic, it depicts an act that the church would understandably not want to promote.
So no, it’s not because it “promotes atheism” it’s because it’s a series with a very sour message. In fact the writer of the series has come out and publicly declared that he is trying to oppose the christian message being put out, mentioning many “horrible” christian authors including C. S. Lewis.
I’m sorry but if you come out with a book series with the soul intent of creating a counter balance against christian literature, than you are not going to be well received.
On a personal note, the author seems somewhat petty, if what he is truely attempting to write these books just to spite other authors.
I figured I would present the other side of the arguement as my good friend Ramunematt has pointed out his side very thoroughly already.
But think about it if you dont beleive what the book says it isnt really counted as bad. ---

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| 07 Dec 2007 05:39 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31  Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | That would be the big one derdev.
The fact that he is doing it out spite, the fact he has publicly announced that it is SUPPOSED to be basically the Anti-C.S.Lewis.
To be honest, I don’t give a shit what the message is if the intent is negative. ---

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| 07 Dec 2007 05:40 pm |
Scriptor of Alacritas Rep: 63  Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 17,101 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Well the book’s theme is about the abuse of power. What better way to portray this than Christianity?
Still, I find it funny how these Christians are so blindly hypocritical by claiming this book series is trying to sell atheism to kids yet they send kids to Sunday school, Jesus camp, private Catholic schools, church, etc.
I love that book and the points it makes. I dont think it was written to bash christianity though. --- It Puts the Lotion on It’s Skin or Else it Gets the Hose Again...
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| 07 Dec 2007 07:04 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31  Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | PS3KICKS360 wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Well the book’s theme is about the abuse of power. What better way to portray this than Christianity?
Still, I find it funny how these Christians are so blindly hypocritical by claiming this book series is trying to sell atheism to kids yet they send kids to Sunday school, Jesus camp, private Catholic schools, church, etc.
I love that book and the points it makes. I dont think it was written to bash christianity though.
“I’m trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."
-Philip Pullman
And the defense for his books and Pullman’s comments against The Chronicles of Narnia can easily be reversed.
The arguement for his books is that people are reading them simply for entertainment. Pullman claims that C.S. Lewis is at fault for having certain values present.
At the same time, however, there are many that read the Chronicles of Narnia simply for entertainment and don’t even notice the religious connections. And Pullman’s books are, as he stated, intended to “undermine the basis of Christian belief."
So yes, he IS bashing Christianity, and yes, I DO place him at fault. Not because it’s Christianity, but because I see him as hypocritical. ---

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| 07 Dec 2007 07:10 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31  Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | goku1003 wrote:
Derdev on Golden Compas wrote:
The church has taken a strong stance against this book for many reasons.
1. The story talks about a world where everybody has a fellow spirit known as a demon which they raise into a monster to protect them (which is a warning flag to most conservative christians). There was a similar sentiment within the church about the pokemon craze.
2. The series culminates in the protagonists traveling to heaven and assassinating God, who is a senile and deluded old man. Not only is it graffic, it depicts an act that the church would understandably not want to promote.
So no, it’s not because it “promotes atheism” it’s because it’s a series with a very sour message. In fact the writer of the series has come out and publicly declared that he is trying to oppose the christian message being put out, mentioning many “horrible” christian authors including C. S. Lewis.
I’m sorry but if you come out with a book series with the soul intent of creating a counter balance against christian literature, than you are not going to be well received.
On a personal note, the author seems somewhat petty, if what he is truely attempting to write these books just to spite other authors.
I figured I would present the other side of the arguement as my good friend Ramunematt has pointed out his side very thoroughly already.
But think about it if you dont beleive what the book says it isnt really counted as bad.
Not according to Pullman.
The following is an excerpt from an interview with Pullman.
Pullman read the Narnia books as an adult and found them deeply disturbing. “Lewis was celebrating, upholding certain activities and attitudes which I am explicitly against, such as bullying, racism, misogyny. Girls are no good, says C.S. Lewis. Girls are only good as long as they act like boys. If they’re tough, they’re okay, but intrinsically they’re inferior. People with dark skins who probably come from somewhere sinister like the East, and almost inevitably smell of garlic, are always a sign of evil or danger."
In the final Narnia book, “The Last Battle," the older girl is excluded from salvation because she has become too interested in lipstick, nylons and invitations. “In other words, she’s growing up. She’s entering adulthood," says Pullman. “Now this for Lewis, was something . . . so dreadful and so redolent of sin that he had to send her to Hell. I find that appalling."
He obviously doesn’t believe it, and a lot of others don’t either, but according to him, it’s absolutely DEPLORABLE.
He denounces C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and the Harry Potter series because he doesn’t agree with them. He doesn’t believe them, so he says that they’re bad. ---

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| 07 Dec 2007 09:23 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
goku1003 wrote:
Derdev on Golden Compas wrote:
The church has taken a strong stance against this book for many reasons.
1. The story talks about a world where everybody has a fellow spirit known as a demon which they raise into a monster to protect them (which is a warning flag to most conservative christians). There was a similar sentiment within the church about the pokemon craze.
2. The series culminates in the protagonists traveling to heaven and assassinating God, who is a senile and deluded old man. Not only is it graffic, it depicts an act that the church would understandably not want to promote.
So no, it’s not because it “promotes atheism” it’s because it’s a series with a very sour message. In fact the writer of the series has come out and publicly declared that he is trying to oppose the christian message being put out, mentioning many “horrible” christian authors including C. S. Lewis.
I’m sorry but if you come out with a book series with the soul intent of creating a counter balance against christian literature, than you are not going to be well received.
On a personal note, the author seems somewhat petty, if what he is truely attempting to write these books just to spite other authors.
I figured I would present the other side of the arguement as my good friend Ramunematt has pointed out his side very thoroughly already.
But think about it if you dont beleive what the book says it isnt really counted as bad.
Not according to Pullman.
The following is an excerpt from an interview with Pullman.
Pullman read the Narnia books as an adult and found them deeply disturbing. “Lewis was celebrating, upholding certain activities and attitudes which I am explicitly against, such as bullying, racism, misogyny. Girls are no good, says C.S. Lewis. Girls are only good as long as they act like boys. If they’re tough, they’re okay, but intrinsically they’re inferior. People with dark skins who probably come from somewhere sinister like the East, and almost inevitably smell of garlic, are always a sign of evil or danger."
In the final Narnia book, “The Last Battle," the older girl is excluded from salvation because she has become too interested in lipstick, nylons and invitations. “In other words, she’s growing up. She’s entering adulthood," says Pullman. “Now this for Lewis, was something . . . so dreadful and so redolent of sin that he had to send her to Hell. I find that appalling."
He obviously doesn’t believe it, and a lot of others don’t either, but according to him, it’s absolutely DEPLORABLE.
He denounces C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and the Harry Potter series because he doesn’t agree with them. He doesn’t believe them, so he says that they’re bad.
i mean as in hes trying to make you a athiest ---

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| 08 Dec 2007 03:15 am |
Derdev on Golden Compass Guest | He may not be trying to make you athiest, but he is certainly acting like a 4 year old durring his interviews. Thank you Maggot Face for joining me, it’s good to know I’m not the only person willing to do a little research. | |
| 08 Dec 2007 03:20 am |
Scriptor of Alacritas Rep: 63  Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 17,101 OFFLINE | Actually its the third book that really hits the nail in the head.
“killing the autority" --- It Puts the Lotion on It’s Skin or Else it Gets the Hose Again...
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| 08 Dec 2007 06:40 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | this reminds me of the hyp Happy Feet got by the christion zelits. --- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 16 Dec 2007 07:57 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 681 OFFLINE | most of my freinds dont like it and they havent read it.It just burns me up when people are sterotypical. ---

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