| 23 Dec 2007 11:02 pm |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 486 OFFLINE | Crimson King wrote:
ssj6kalel wrote:
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Oh, we’re using EU as well? You should have told me.
Then the Jedi get a much larger upgrade in their power. Vader is now much stronger, but still loses. Why? because Megatron can fire off shots can can blow up entire city blocks.
AND YOUR PROOF FOR THIS IS??? uhmmmmm, even if megatron transforms into a squirt gun, whos gonna hold and use him???? as i remember, megatrons always relies on soundwave or starscream to *hold* him and *use* him... | |
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| 23 Dec 2007 11:09 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83  Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | ssj6kalel wrote:
Crimson King wrote:
ssj6kalel wrote:
*snip*
Oh, we’re using EU as well? You should have told me.
Then the Jedi get a much larger upgrade in their power. Vader is now much stronger, but still loses. Why? because Megatron can fire off shots can can blow up entire city blocks.
AND YOUR PROOF FOR THIS IS??? uhmmmmm, even if megatron transforms into a squirt gun, whos gonna hold and use him???? as i remember, megatrons always relies on soundwave or starscream to *hold* him and *use* him...
Megatron can use his canon while it’s on his arm.. Geeze.. I can’t believe that this is STILL going on. haha
It’s so one sided.. you’ve got a giant 100 ft tall robot versus a human. wtf? lol ---
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| 23 Dec 2007 11:17 pm |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 486 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
ssj6kalel wrote:
Crimson King wrote:
ssj6kalel wrote:
*snip*
Oh, we’re using EU as well? You should have told me.
Then the Jedi get a much larger upgrade in their power. Vader is now much stronger, but still loses. Why? because Megatron can fire off shots can can blow up entire city blocks.
AND YOUR PROOF FOR THIS IS??? uhmmmmm, even if megatron transforms into a squirt gun, whos gonna hold and use him???? as i remember, megatrons always relies on soundwave or starscream to *hold* him and *use* him...
Megatron can use his canon while it’s on his arm.. Geeze.. I can’t believe that this is STILL going on. haha
It’s so one sided.. you’ve got a giant 100 ft tall robot versus a human. wtf? lol
i dont think hes that tall... 30 feet at most... and that human has the ability to crush steel when hes pissed off... can run fast, has the highest mediclorian count, even darth sidius believes vader will surpass him.. | |
| 24 Dec 2007 12:28 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25  Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 3,956 OFFLINE | Wow we have a lot of things to digest here. So the topic is Megatron from the transformers universe versus Darth Vader from the Star Wars universe.
Well I not sure what all power Vader has, but in my opinion the main ability you are relying on him to have to beat Megatron is the force crush. While it is true that in episode three Vader shows an ability similar to the force crush, it is never again shown that he can use it again under his own abilities. Leaving one to believe that he only used the move in direct reaction to the news of his wife’s death. Now with that being said I don’t believe that the force crush would work on Megatron because he is not made of any ordinary alloy, he is made from Cybertronian Steel, believed to be one of the strongest metals in all existence. Of course I’m in now way a Star Wars expert, but I do know a lot about transformer G1. So back to my limited knowledge on Vader, since Vader’s character isn’t in the original book from which Lucas got his idea for Star Wars we only have the movies as cannon, which means that his abilities are down to the force choke, extra strength and the abilities to sense things through the force. If I’m missing anything that is cannon I apologize.
Now to Megatron . As everyone knows Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, His powers include the strength of a Transformer Leader, and the personal arsenal at his disposal. His primary weapon is his arm mounted fusion cannon which can level an entire city block in one blast, also through this primary cannon Megatron can sub-dimensionally link with a black hole which increase his destructive power immensely to the point of being able to use an antimatter blast that destroys an entire planet. (which was only attained through the creation of the Death Star in the Star Wars movies) his right hand can retract and is replaced with an energy flail (this weapon is can be compared to the light saber) Megatron has a secondary cannon that swivels attached to his back , can fire electrical blast from his hands and lasers from his eyes. That is the bulk of Megatron’s abilities. Now I move to his durability in the Ultimate Doom part 3 he survives an explosion massive enough to push Cybertron out of Earth’s orbit. In the episode Heavy Metal War, he survives being pushed into molten lava. This is just a few to name off the top of my head.
Looking at thing it looks like Vader doesn’t really stand a chance of beating Megatron. ---
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| 24 Dec 2007 12:54 am |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 486 OFFLINE | Chaos Theory wrote:
Wow we have a lot of things to digest here. So the topic is Megatron from the transformers universe versus Darth Vader from the Star Wars universe.
Well I not sure what all power Vader has, but in my opinion the main ability you are relying on him to have to beat Megatron is the force crush. While it is true that in episode three Vader shows an ability similar to the force crush, it is never again shown that he can use it again under his own abilities. Leaving one to believe that he only used the move in direct reaction to the news of his wife’s death. Now with that being said I don’t believe that the force crush would work on Megatron because he is not made of any ordinary alloy, he is made from Cybertronian Steel, believed to be one of the strongest metals in all existence. Of course I’m in now way a Star Wars expert, but I do know a lot about transformer G1. So back to my limited knowledge on Vader, since Vader’s character isn’t in the original book from which Lucas got his idea for Star Wars we only have the movies as cannon, which means that his abilities are down to the force choke, extra strength and the abilities to sense things through the force. If I’m missing anything that is cannon I apologize.
Now to Megatron . As everyone knows Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, His powers include the strength of a Transformer Leader, and the personal arsenal at his disposal. His primary weapon is his arm mounted fusion cannon which can level an entire city block in one blast, also through this primary cannon Megatron can sub-dimensionally link with a black hole which increase his destructive power immensely to the point of being able to use an antimatter blast that destroys an entire planet. (which was only attained through the creation of the Death Star in the Star Wars movies) his right hand can retract and is replaced with an energy flail (this weapon is can be compared to the light saber) Megatron has a secondary cannon that swivels attached to his back , can fire electrical blast from his hands and lasers from his eyes. That is the bulk of Megatron’s abilities. Now I move to his durability in the Ultimate Doom part 3 he survives an explosion massive enough to push Cybertron out of Earth’s orbit. In the episode Heavy Metal War, he survives being pushed into molten lava. This is just a few to name off the top of my head.
Looking at thing it looks like Vader doesn’t really stand a chance of beating Megatron.
YEAH, WE ALL KNOW THAT MEGATRON HAS ALL THAT FIRE POWER, BUT IT DOESNT MATTER IF HE CANT HIT VADER... REMEMBER, JEDIS CAN SENSE THE FORCE AROUND THEM?? WITH TOTAL CONCENTRATION, HE KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT.... AND AS I RECALL, MEGATRON CAN BE DAMAGE BY PLASMA... AND LIGHTSABER......... | |
| 24 Dec 2007 01:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25  Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 3,956 OFFLINE | inanimate objects don’t carry any force to be predicted, besides how do you get away from that large of a blast? It can level an entire city block, sure Vader has quick reflexes, bu that doesn’t translate to physical speed, I don’t recall any Jedi being able to out run a laser blast only deflect them with their light saber. And that is pretty much impossible for a light saber to deflect a attack that large, Megatron’s fusion cannon would be the equivalent of a Star Destroyers laser turret. ---
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| 24 Dec 2007 01:57 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19  Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Chaos Theory wrote:
inanimate objects don’t carry any force to be predicted, besides how do you get away from that large of a blast? It can level an entire city block, sure Vader has quick reflexes, bu that doesn’t translate to physical speed, I don’t recall any Jedi being able to out run a laser blast only deflect them with their light saber. And that is pretty much impossible for a light saber to deflect a attack that large, Megatron’s fusion cannon would be the equivalent of a Star Destroyers laser turret.
Not to mention that there’s no proof of a jedi being able to move as fast as is claimed. Obi Wan had to use that lizard thing to keep up with Grevious in Episode 3, if he could run that quickly why didn’t he chase Grevious on foot? ---
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| 25 Dec 2007 08:32 am |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 486 OFFLINE | nah,,let me explain, vader can predict his oponents moves... thats how he fights... if hes concentrates enough, he can predict hes opponents... lift heavy objects and toss them like rag dolls | |
| 25 Dec 2007 06:15 pm |
Wannabe Rep: 0  Joined: 10 Dec 2007 Posts: 60 OFFLINE | ssj6kalel wrote:
nah,,let me explain, vader can predict his oponents moves... thats how he fights... if hes concentrates enough, he can predict hes opponents... lift heavy objects and toss them like rag dolls
All the predicting in the world isn’t going to save you from an explosion that can level a city block. | |
| 02 Jan 2008 09:08 am |
Regular Rep: 2  Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 862 OFFLINE | Hm... still undecided here. --- I am a Servant of the Shadow, Minion of the Great Eye.
Sauron has wone the Master Chief vs Sauron debate. | |
| 02 Jan 2008 03:31 pm |
Beatrix Guest | How many Jedi’s or Sith’s have been shown to stop laser Blasts using the Force... (Not from a simple Droid or Inaccurate Stormtrooper but from one of the best sharpshooters in the Star wars universe) and then pull the Blaster off them just to show off.
Darth Vader has the best Forsight of any Jedi or sith, this is shown in loads of examples During all the Movies, His emotions though Cloud his judgement during many of his mistakes, but in this fight vs megatron they wont be any emotions there.
How many Jedis or Siths do you see Moving Multiple objects at the same time without even using there hands for Perception Guidance.
How many Jedis or Siths do you see Kill people using the force just by looking at them through a hologram image. | |
| 03 Jan 2008 08:56 am |
Regular Rep: 2  Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 862 OFFLINE | Yes, but a transformer’s canon is no blaster; and it would not easily be detached. --- I am a Servant of the Shadow, Minion of the Great Eye.
Sauron has wone the Master Chief vs Sauron debate. | |
| 03 Jan 2008 12:07 pm |
Beatrix Guest | Sir SeanConnery wrote:
Yes, but a transformer’s canon is no blaster; and it would not easily be detached.
Well the best way to look at it would be to be know which is the most advanced in Technology the Star Wars Universe or the Transformers Universe | |
| 03 Jan 2008 12:59 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Vader cmon he was the ultimate Jedi/Sith ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 01:20 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83  Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | Beatrix wrote:
Sir SeanConnery wrote:
Yes, but a transformer’s canon is no blaster; and it would not easily be detached.
Well the best way to look at it would be to be know which is the most advanced in Technology the Star Wars Universe or the Transformers Universe
Transformers, no doubt there. ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 01:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 01:48 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19  Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | I’m pretty certain that Transformers are more sturdy than starships.. ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 01:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | well id like to know how that figure’s as there made from Alloy in a distant Galaxy far far away clearly superior to our own mineral’s.
My point is im sure Darth could throw one around with little trouble ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 02:08 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19  Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
well id like to know how that figure’s as there made from Alloy in a distant Galaxy far far away clearly superior to our own mineral’s.
My point is im sure Darth could throw one around with little trouble
Well.. Let’s look at it this way..
A starship enters a planet’s atmosphere and crashes into the ground.. The starship breaks apart and is destroyed. A transformer does the same.. Nothing happens to it, it hits the planet, and causes a massive crater with no damage to the transformer.
Which one is more sturdy? The Transformer.
And Vader could throw Megy around, but he couldn’t do any damage at all. And once again, a single blast from Megatron’s Cannon will kill Vader, easily. ---
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| 03 Jan 2008 02:21 pm |
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