Go on .. drive yer humvees and take that vacation across the world.. Go on! fuckin inconsiderate fools..... and i aint leaving God (subject to his existence) out either .. wot was he thinking when he conceived us Humans to walk this earth!?
Do you even care ?
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No,I don't give a fuck ************* 50%
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Yes,I want to talk to my friends/family/senator about it& discuss clean energy like Solar, Wind etc ************* 50%
do i even care?
very slightly...
because almost everybody in the world doesnt give a fuck and the ones that do arent really doing anything about it(<<im in this category) and the ones that ARE are like so rare.
THE_PAIN wrote:
True .. im trying my best to NOT give a fuck ..
but think of YOUR kids.. and its hard!
my kids... dont have any and having kids isnt really a priority for me... yet.
if i do have kids and all the polar ice caps melt that would be um... hard i guess, knowing they have to suffer.
of course the right thing for me to do is start acting but its very discouraging when everyone around u isnt doing shit. all my efforts to save energy will be futile if 6 billion people are shitting on this planet.
but im down u know, if everyone around me is. trouble is that wont happen.
anyways, the fate of the world is getting darker ever since we got our taste of independece from God(and if u dont believe in that shit, humans are bound to destroy theirselves anyway). destruction is inevitable. guess my kidsll just have to deal with it. sorry kids.
I don’t give a fuck.. The reason? I don’t believe in global warming per-say. I know the world is heating up, but is it the fault of man? Hell no. It’s happened before several thousand years ago and it’ll happen again thousands of years in the future. The planet goes through cycles, it heats up and it cools down. The O-Zone layers depletes and the planet rebuilds it. It’s a natural part of this planet’s life. Even if we “went green” on everything our planet will continue to heat up and we’ll eventually encounter another ice age from global climate shift. Man survived it once, mankind will survive it again. The only thing humans are doing is contributing to what was already happening.
That’s my view on it at least.
Hell.. I’ll go green and use an ethanol fueled car, I might even look into alternative energy sources, because despite whether or not I’ll make a difference it’ll make me feel like I’m doing something. But only as long as it doesn’t cost me more money.
Cid wrote:
Hell.. I’ll go green and use an ethanol fueled car, I might even look into alternative energy sources, because despite whether or not I’ll make a difference it’ll make me feel like I’m doing something. But only as long as it doesn’t cost me more money.
ETHANOL IS NOT GREEN ! IN FACT ITS WORSE THAN OIL ! GO ON .. READ MORE ON IT .. you’ll know.
and trust me .. clean fuel powered economy .. things would be .. WAY WAY WAY much CHEAPEr, STABLE, CLEANer, HEALTHIer, and so on ..
and thats gonna be EXPENSIVE only as long as it doesnt pick up steam .. when it goes mass.. “economies of scale” kicks in .. things get REAL cheap
Cid wrote:
I don’t give a fuck.. The reason? I don’t believe in global warming per-say. I know the world is heating up, but is it the fault of man? Hell no. It’s happened before several thousand years ago and it’ll happen again thousands of years in the future. The planet goes through cycles, it heats up and it cools down. The O-Zone layers depletes and the planet rebuilds it. It’s a natural part of this planet’s life. Even if we “went green” on everything our planet will continue to heat up and we’ll eventually encounter another ice age from global climate shift. Man survived it once, mankind will survive it again. The only thing humans are doing is contributing to what was already happening.
That’s my view on it at least.
Hell.. I’ll go green and use an ethanol fueled car, I might even look into alternative energy sources, because despite whether or not I’ll make a difference it’ll make me feel like I’m doing something. But only as long as it doesn’t cost me more money.
u got a point, many natural cycles are repeating
so it may be nature it self getting a new haircut
Cid wrote:
Hell.. I’ll go green and use an ethanol fueled car, I might even look into alternative energy sources, because despite whether or not I’ll make a difference it’ll make me feel like I’m doing something. But only as long as it doesn’t cost me more money.
ETHANOL IS NOT GREEN ! IN FACT ITS WORSE THAN OIL ! GO ON .. READ MORE ON IT .. you’ll know.
and trust me .. clean fuel powered economy .. things would be .. WAY WAY WAY much CHEAPEr, STABLE, CLEANer, HEALTHIer, and so on ..
and thats gonna be EXPENSIVE only as long as it doesnt pick up steam .. when it goes mass.. “economies of scale” kicks in .. things get REAL cheap
Well if it’s going to be expensive than I won’t have anything to do with it. I’ll probably end up living in an apartment for several years because I’m sure I won’t be able to afford a house. Make me rich and I’ll get an entire neighborhood on Solar and Wind energy.. Make me poor and it’ll be the same ole' electricity and oil..
Speaking of oil.. If ethanol is worse.. Why is everybody saying it’s better?
Anyway.. I’ll just create a hydrogen engine that’s only emission is water... Then I’ll have the water redirect into the engine, turned back into oxygen and hydrogen and reuse it. haha
this is exactaly why this is a problem because, we as Americans don’t take the pro- active charge with our problems we wait until after the disaster to finally do somthing like Hurricane Katrina we knew a Hurricane was coming weeks in advance, but did we evacuate people NO IT WAS PEOPLE WHO WHERE IN DANGER SAYING STUFF LIKE " OH WE’LL BE FINE NOTHING WILL HAPPEN IT MIGHT BE A FALSE ALARM then BAM!! thousnds killed survivers were left homeless so we have to start preventing this type of stuff NOW.
and even if it is just " nature getting a hair cut it’ll only trying to prevent it will only make peoples live a bit healthier one with all that smog out of the air [ longer life people longer life].
You know The_Pain, you’ve posted a lot of topics based on the effects of Global Warming, but I seriously doubt that anyone on here (or otherwise for that matter) is going to change their opinion on the matter.
Look at that; the idea that one person can’t make a difference so why bother, and oh I love this one the “we’re in a climate cycle” bullshit. It doesn’t seem to matter how much data, how simply or complicated you explain it, lots of people don’t really get it.
This is a bad place for me when these topics come up, it makes me realize that we’re really screwed because of how the Western populous in general (and people in general) perceives the world. Actually, forget just these topics.
I don’t know what to do man, seriously, we’re fucked. I try, and I’ll keep trying and I’ve got my own way of dealing with my perception of things...but what am I supposed to do, really?
The_Pain...I’m tired....
If conclusive evidence can be provided that humans are the primary cause of “global warming” then I’ll be a little more concerned. But I haven’t seen anything that proves that it isn’t one of those “climate cycles”.
Cid wrote:
If conclusive evidence can be provided that humans are the primary cause of “global warming” then I’ll be a little more concerned. But I haven’t seen anything that proves that it isn’t one of those “climate cycles”.
Oh come on Cid, don’t give me that shit. I’m pretty sure you’ve been around the global warming debates before.
It’s almost as bad as the “prove to me God does exist” vs. “no, prove to me God doesn’t exist”.
I don’t think there’s anything I can say or show you that will change your mind. You can argue any figure, any data no matter how credible...you can debate everything in existence.
Ok, I actually had other stuff written but decided to delete it in favor of this:
Greenhouse gases keep earth nice and toasty. Increase greenhouse gases = increase in earths toastyness. Human industrialized populations big source of greenhouse gases these days.
Cid wrote:
If conclusive evidence can be provided that humans are the primary cause of “global warming” then I’ll be a little more concerned. But I haven’t seen anything that proves that it isn’t one of those “climate cycles”.
Oh come on Cid, don’t give me that shit. I’m pretty sure you’ve been around the global warming debates before.
It’s almost as bad as the “prove to me God does exist” vs. “no, prove to me God doesn’t exist”.
I don’t think there’s anything I can say or show you that will change your mind. You can argue any figure, any data no matter how credible...you can debate everything in existence.
Ok, I actually had other stuff written but decided to delete it in favor of this:
Greenhouse gases keep earth nice and toasty. Increase greenhouse gases = increase in earths toastyness. Human industrialized populations big source of greenhouse gases these days.
Meh, whatever.
Actually, I haven’t been around these debates. And I’m not as hard headed as you might think I am.
Here’s what I’ve heard..
Man-Made greenhouse gasses contribute only 15% percent of the total green house gasses being distributed into the atmosphere.
Judging by that, I assume that man has little to do with it.
Actually, I haven’t been around these debates. And I’m not as hard headed as you might think I am.
Here’s what I’ve heard..
Man-Made greenhouse gasses contribute only 15% percent of the total green house gasses being distributed into the atmosphere.
Judging by that, I assume that man has little to do with it.
If I’m wrong, correct me.
Oh sorry, I thought you had been (I guess maybe I’ve been in too many).
Mmmm, I’m working on an essay right now so I don’t have time to look up data and charts and whatnot.
But ya, 15% sounds about right. See, the thing is that greenhouse gases aren’t bad, they’re good. If there wasn’t good percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere then the earth would be much much colder. (I’m guessing you already know this...but the term “greenhouse gases” is just the various gases that are part of the greenhouse effect-the normal atmospherical cycle of the earth that keeps this place hospitable)
That 15% is of the total...but it’s excess. The earth has that balance thing going on, and it fluctuates...but now we’ve added this human element.
The greenhouse gases that we put into the air are accumulative. Ever since the industrialized revolution there’s been an increase in CO2 levels(a big greenhouse gas member) in the atmosphere. And it just keeps rising, it’s been increasing every year. And that’s data we can measure quite well.
There’s a lag though between when those gases get up there and when we start feeling the earth warming. It’s a huge system as you can imagine.
So now we’re at the stage where even if we were to stop all human activity that emits greenhouse gases...the earth temperature will continue to rise.
One reason we know this isn’t a “natural” cycle is because of the unprecedented increase in temperature. These kinds of increases have never been seen before...there’s no “natural” reason for it.
But that very first explanation I gave is simple but truthfully that sums it up. The arguments against global warming tend to stay away from those facts entirely...or try to say that human contributions arn’t significant.
If one volcano eruption can have climate effects world-wide lasting for a couple years (in this case cooling). What do you think 100 years of extra(and increasing) greenhouse gases is going to do?
I think the idea that our human contributions aren’t significant is kind of ignorant. Think about all the large environmental effects we’ve already caused(acid rain anyone?).
The truth is that relatively speaking there are very few scientists that believe global warming isn’t human induced.
What bothers me is that the entire debate from the very start has always been more political then scientific. Which is a shame...it misleads people and undermines the general consensus held by most of the scientific community.
Actually, I haven’t been around these debates. And I’m not as hard headed as you might think I am.
Here’s what I’ve heard..
Man-Made greenhouse gasses contribute only 15% percent of the total green house gasses being distributed into the atmosphere.
Judging by that, I assume that man has little to do with it.
If I’m wrong, correct me.
Oh sorry, I thought you had been (I guess maybe I’ve been in too many).
Mmmm, I’m working on an essay right now so I don’t have time to look up data and charts and whatnot.
But ya, 15% sounds about right. See, the thing is that greenhouse gases aren’t bad, they’re good. If there wasn’t good percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere then the earth would be much much colder. (I’m guessing you already know this...but the term “greenhouse gases” is just the various gases that are part of the greenhouse effect-the normal atmospherical cycle of the earth that keeps this place hospitable)
That 15% is of the total...but it’s excess. The earth has that balance thing going on, and it fluctuates...but now we’ve added this human element.
The greenhouse gases that we put into the air are accumulative. Ever since the industrialized revolution there’s been an increase in CO2 levels(a big greenhouse gas member) in the atmosphere. And it just keeps rising, it’s been increasing every year. And that’s data we can measure quite well.
There’s a lag though between when those gases get up there and when we start feeling the earth warming. It’s a huge system as you can imagine.
So now we’re at the stage where even if we were to stop all human activity that emits greenhouse gases...the earth temperature will continue to rise.
One reason we know this isn’t a “natural” cycle is because of the unprecedented increase in temperature. These kinds of increases have never been seen before...there’s no “natural” reason for it.
But that very first explanation I gave is simple but truthfully that sums it up. The arguments against global warming tend to stay away from those facts entirely...or try to say that human contributions arn’t significant.
If one volcano eruption can have climate effects world-wide lasting for a couple years (in this case cooling). What do you think 100 years of extra(and increasing) greenhouse gases is going to do?
I think the idea that our human contributions aren’t significant is kind of ignorant. Think about all the large environmental effects we’ve already caused(acid rain anyone?).
The truth is that relatively speaking there are very few scientists that believe global warming isn’t human induced.
What bothers me is that the entire debate from the very start has always been more political then scientific. Which is a shame...it misleads people and undermines the general consensus held by most of the scientific community.
I thought that there has been evidence provided that showed that the earth has substantially heated and cooled in the past? Mostly from wobbles in the Earth’s rotation?
The Sahara Desert used to be a tropical paradise but now it’s a Desert because the Earth tilted slightly and it had more direct contact with the sun.
I know this is kinda just a local thing for that area.. But how do we know that wobbling isn’t affecting our current climate changes? The Earthquake that caused that huge Tsunami was so massive that it indeed caused the entire planet to begin wobbling slightly more. Could that be the cause.
I know that nature is a very balanced thing, and if you disrupt that balance that it can cause hazardous effects to the planet. But the oceans emit a lot of green house gasses as well. Especially in the Bermuda Triangle area.
I personally don’t see how we’re causing the decline of the planet. I’ll admit that we’re contributing to it.. But I don’t think as much blame can be placed on mankind as it is.
Cid wrote:
I thought that there has been evidence provided that showed that the earth has substantially heated and cooled in the past? Mostly from wobbles in the Earth’s rotation?
The Sahara Desert used to be a tropical paradise but now it’s a Desert because the Earth tilted slightly and it had more direct contact with the sun.
I know this is kinda just a local thing for that area.. But how do we know that wobbling isn’t affecting our current climate changes? The Earthquake that caused that huge Tsunami was so massive that it indeed caused the entire planet to begin wobbling slightly more. Could that be the cause.
I know that nature is a very balanced thing, and if you disrupt that balance that it can cause hazardous effects to the planet. But the oceans emit a lot of green house gasses as well. Especially in the Bermuda Triangle area.
I personally don’t see how we’re causing the decline of the planet. I’ll admit that we’re contributing to it.. But I don’t think as much blame can be placed on mankind as it is.
The question isn’t that the earth goes through cycles, or that there hasn’t been some pretty substantial climate changes. But buddy, you’re way off in comparing the two. You’re talking about changes occurring over thousands of years.
It’s the rate of increase we’re concerned about here.
Tsumanis? Bermuda Triangle? No.
Look, I know you haven’t studied the issue as much as I have, but I’m sorry, you’re arguments sound really ridiculous to me.
I’m really sorry if I sound rude...it’s just a little frustrating.
I gave a pretty good explanation of the situation...but you’re still inclined to take more of a “gut” feeling over a huge body of scientific evidence.
Which is fine, I mean, everyone has their own opinion. And I don’t like to use science as the last word in anything...but at the same time. You can’t counter good science with bad science.
Look..there’s almost a direct correlation between increase in CO2 and an increase in the Earth temperature. There’s lots of these graphs around..the data changes a bit (the further back you go the less reliable the ice core sample).
So this shows that CO2 levels and temperature are related right? (p.s...notice the spike at the end?)
Look Cid, what I study isn’t even global warming (although I have taken a climatology class), but the political side of these types of debates. The reason you think what you do isn’t divine intervention. You got the information from somewhere. When this issue first caught media attention there were some awesome connections linking oil and gas companies to research done to counter the leading scientists of the day. There has been billions of dollars spent to convince people that humans weren’t the main cause of global warming. Well guess what? They were wrong, and now even they have had to go back on their original statements.
But those ideas are still around, and those linkages are too.
What can I really do against a billion dollars? Against an entrenched view held by a lot of Americans? In general people are not very well informed, not really. You’re comments demonstrate to me that you don’t have a real understand of the science behind global warming.
Hey, sorry for the ramble. I guess it all doesn’t matter much anyway.
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