Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

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Alright.. You’ve for the most part convinced me.. And all the stuff about wobble came from the discovery channel. I don’t know, I know next to nothing about global warming. Keep in mind that I never claimed I did either.

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I know And I appreciate you’re indulgence of me.
Even more so I appreciate your willingness to at least consider a new way of looking at the issue.
It’s not an easy thing to do.

And the wobble thing is true...just not directly related

I certainly don’t claim that this is all %100 true...but it’s pretty darn close.

Just don’t let the “doom-and-gloom” people make you doubt the science behind global warming. I find that’s what does it in for a lot of environmental issues...it’s a shame because it discredits a lot of good information and ideas.

Personally? I don’t think about global warming much. It’s not even on my “top ten list of things to fear in the future”.
I think almost all our environmental problems are connected to the fundamental ways in which we conceptualize and live our lives.

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I don’t pay attention to anything.. that includes “doom-and-gloom” people..

I watch Discovery and occasionally CNN.. That’s where anything I know comes from.

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Haha. Oh dear.

Can I make a small comment on the money issue?
Well too bad..I’m going to anyway

You’re a smart guy. So I’m sure you realize that if you were to factor in environmental and social costs of certain things...they would be very very “expensive”.

It’s a certain lifestyle that you’re trying to achieve.
But it’s going to be harder and harder to get there the more we degrade the environment and use places and peoples for own desires and gain. We’re not living sustainably...this can’t last.

I really want to go into the ethics of consumerism here (had to erase some stuff), but I wont.

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I don’t really understand most of what you said.. But I plan on moving out... like next year.. across the country.. to be with my girlfriend... without college. lol

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Oh .

I’m just saying that there are external costs that go beyond the actual price of something.

Sorry Cid, guess I was getting too...I dunno, something.

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an earth 40,000 miles across .... has just 12 kms of atmosphere


does that put things into perspective?


dont you DARe say humans aint the cause.. the UN has admitted Humans as the sole cause.. why cant you ?


and no .. i didnt ask for your money ..


ALL I WANT IS FOR YOU TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOUR FAMILY/FRIENDS .. and if possible .. talk to your Senator’s office.


YOU GOTTA START TALK , TELLING PPL HOW IMPORTANT IT IT



and most of all .. HOW DARN CHEAP .. an OIL-FREE Economy would be

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what bites my but is,,,like where i live well we have 22 apt,,,and we only have the big garbage bin,,,we don’t have a recycle bin,,it may be little stuff but i hate the fact that they don’t have one,,,

the reason we do not have one is way back before i got here some people used to put dirty diapers and stuff like that in the recycle bin and the company don’t wanna come here no more

now i could buy myself a small recycle garbage but my neighbor did that and got it stolen from him,,,hey we pay for that stuff,,,,,ow well

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Talk, talk talk .. more talk ..DISCUSS .. EDUCATE .. SPREAD the word .. communicate... thats the best way .. cuz if you are just one person.. you can do nothing ...





but when a hundred thousand others join you it starts working

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Its the Americans that we have to convents that there is a problem. The number one wold offender hear and they don’t even see what they doing,,, Ignorance is truly bless. If only deaning there was a problem would make it go away,, Not this time

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EXACTLY ,. Americans .. and CANADIANS .. .the biggest PER CAPITA polluters.. Canada i believe is gonna mend things up .. its the US we gotta watch out for

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i know we are,,some think that canada is such a great place,,it has some advantages yes,,but as other countries we have our dilemmas too

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now the winter’s over.. . back to global warming y’all !

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/didn’t read most of topic

Anyway. I fully believe the arctic will be ice free by 2010.

The climate doesn’t gradually move up and down; it gets to a certain point and just flips. It’s a metastable system.

Pretty much all of the planet’s positive feedback loops are in effect now, so I fully expect a massive climatic shift in the next couple years.

ITT: Treeplanter is my hero.

I might fully fling myself into the arguement later, but for now I’m off to play Tool’s Forty Six & 2.

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treeplanter is not your hero


secondly, i have , STILL, tremendous faith in humanity


although the corruption and oil magnates are a seemingly impossible to defeat...


maybe we all should pray for a huge climatic calamity to plague america


cuz thats the only way the world will take notice

[60,000 + indians died upto 2001 cuz of terrorism

it took only circa 4000 americans for the world to sit up and take notice]

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My goodness Pain, tearing into me everywhere!

I think I explained things rather well here and I can be Drum’s hero if he wants me to be

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k now you’re getting needlessly paranoid .. iv had a REALLY hard day’s work especially travelling up-down 40 miles a day in a train with people CRUSHED LIKE SARDINES in a can and a fight is the last thing i want!


i cant see where im running into you btw.. and why’d i do that ? .. you dont deny global warming or any of that sorts for all i know

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I was just teasing
(hence the raspberry smiley I had inserted)

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well they looked more like barf smileys ... neways thats good enough now you got me in REAL bad mood .. thanks.

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Oh no! Ummm...don’t go to the other topic then!
Save it till you’re feeling better