Sephiroth and Genassis VS Cloud and Angeyal

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I don’t remember Sephiroth Sending Genesis through a building. No HE’S STRONGER, FASTER, this has nothing to do with his skill, because Cloud matched him for skill, he lost in every other department though. See you just admitted Cloud fought a more powerful incarnatio than others.


Then I could say that Vincent had no chance against Sephiroth, you say that he could pwn Roth, then why didn’t he? Vincent saved the day because he was already up there. THEY EVEN TOLD HIM TO SAVE THE DAY.

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1. Are you ignoreing my posts lol, Seph knocked Cloud into a building INTO Seph is seen in Crissis Core flinging Genesis flying were he tumbles back crying “shit” Seph also cut’s the Mako Cannon to shredd’s (something made much more sturdy than a building) and in UO it said clearly Seph dident even try against Cloud and was still beating him, all you have proven is Seph has never tried and Cloud cant measure up.

2. Because in FF7 Chaos had not been reinvented yet, Chaos could not be summoned at will and the fact they all beat him in FF7, plus Vincent already said its Cloud’s fight???, Cloud couldent save earth in DoC because he lacked the prota materia (witch allowed Vincent passage through Omega) Weiss would have surely killed him and he could not stop Omega from accending to the heaven’s like Chaos did (this was Vinnie’s fight) finaly they all shout “VINCENT...DO IT” vincent reply’s “hmmph so time to save the world” implying he is the only one who could.

Vincent probably could have beat Kadaj Yazzo Loz but instead he save’s Cloud, He could have probably beat Bahamut aswell but they all left it to Cloud, and in the end they all leave Cloud to deal with Sephiroth (i mean if they were that bothered they would have helped him) differance is in Dirge they had noway of helping.

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Vincent said that Kadaj was Clouds fight, and they did care since barret himself said he was gonna give Cloud 5 mins then they flew away to which it shows Cloud smile (He wanted Kadaj one on one) But when Sephiroth appears Cids ship is no where in sight and Sephiroth Fills the sky with the negative Lifestream making it impossible for anyone else to see what was going on from outside. Kadaj wasnt any of there fights but Sephiroth was! They all have there reasons to Kill Sephiroth if they were there to witness Sephiroth actually there then they would of jumped in within seconds if they could. (example Sephiroth Killed Tifas Father, Vincent wants Sephiroth dead so lucrecia can rest in peace, Barret to save the planet etc etc)

And in my eyes in doc the Final Fight was Vincent vs Hojo followed by Vincent vs Omega Weapon, Wiess was just manupaluted as a host the entire time first by Hojo and then by Nero (and Nero went along with what hojo had told him to do anyway when he was in control for he thought he was fulfilling Wiess will). Vincents No 1 enemy through the entire history of FF7 was Hojo always as and in the future will probably always will be (Wiess in this was just a puppet). Omega Weapon Was the most powerfull weapon created by the planet, But there is someone in the FF7 That can destroy the Planet regardless of how many Weapons get in there way.

As for probably Beat Bahamut it is stated in the ultamania that the fight vs Bahamut lasted 2 hours, Cloud shows up at the end and finishes the job what the others were obviously taking there time to do

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I agree with ramirezz if Vincent Tifa Barret and co knew about Sephiroth’s return they would most likely have tried to help Cloud out like in FF7.

In DoC my veiw is that Weiss was controled by alot of people such as Restrictor and Hojo and now Genesis to name a few but this did not take away from the fact he was a powerful tool, Restrictor put a Virus inside him to try and contain him and failed, Hojo tried brainwashing through the Nano Feild but Nero broke his hold.

But credit is due to Hojo because of useing a pure strain of the life stream untainted by Jeanova Cell’s this left Weiss uneffected by Jeanova’s will hence Sephiroth’s.

As for Bahamut Cloud had regained his strenth as said by Tifa the other’s had grown weak in comparison but in DoC i think Vincent found his again due to Lacretcia Chaos and Hojo being in the mix.

Ohh yea lol about the Omega Theory this is simple,

Sephiroth wanted to wound the planet badly so the lifestream would have no choice but to heal it then he would be at the centre to absorb that power witch would intern destroy his body recreateing it as a supream existence a new and ultimate Lifeform.

This is an utterly crazy distort plan based on theory by Sephiroth (much like Lucretcia’s Chaos theory and Omega Theoroy).

Now the Omega Theory work’s better, you see Hojo wanted the same mean’s as Sephiroth to create the ultimate LifeForm hence DG’s main goal of being the supream existence, now by haveing Weiss the Emporer of all Tsveiat’s and SOLIDER alike (essentialy the strongest being on the planet) being infused with a pure strain of Mako and LifeStream untainted by Jeanova he could bond with Omega (a being with the power to house all the life energy of the planet without being destroyed) he had done just that.

So Hojo’s plan was better thought through THAN sEPHIROTH’S AND MORE LIKELY TO WORK

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First off, was Genesis toe on toe with Sephiroth? He made him AND Angeal his bitch. Cloud WAS toe on toe with Sephiroth, UNTIL he got tired. Whatever Sephiroth does in CC doesn’t put him above AC Sephiroth, I don’t remember him bringing the top of a building down with sheer thought.
And Sephiroth wasn’t trying is complete hyperbole bullshit. It said Cloud was outmatched, it never said he wasn’t trying.


Actually, I’m pretty sure Chaos is a Lvl4 limit break which can be used just as much as omnislash. Vincent said it was Cloud’s fight because they couldn’t even help him against Bahamut bar the flying part.
“You’re right, its Cloud’s fight. Think of all the strength we had when we thought that last battle? It’s only been a couple of years and already that feeling has gone away, I think Cloud has found his again”
A quote from Tifa confirming they didn’t have what it takes to help Cloud. Making Cloud > Avalance combined.
Cloud didn’t save the world because he was busy HELPING Vincent to take out DG soldiers and reactors, forget that?
So Vincent needs external items for passage, then he’s lamer than you said. Weiss would lose to Cloud, it would be about the same or a bit harder than Kadaj (who was pimps for Cloud). So Cloud couldn’t kill Omega like he killed Bahamut? Prove it wrong, I dare you LOL. And you forget Chaos FUCKING DIED lol.
No they actually said " It’s all yours now Vincent”
You’re assuming what Vincent thought to make him appear 'badass'

He would have to transform into Chaos to have a chance. He didn’t beat them because he couldn’t. He couldn’t beat Bahamut because HE DIDN’T. None of the avalance members could.
Hahaha now you’re saying that Sephiroth wasn’t a threat? They didn’t help because they couldn’t get there, and Sephiroth would have made them his bitch if they interfered.

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First off, was Genesis toe on toe with Sephiroth? He made him AND Angeal his bitch. Cloud WAS toe on toe with Sephiroth, UNTIL he got tired. Whatever Sephiroth does in CC doesn’t put him above AC Sephiroth, I don’t remember him bringing the top of a building down with sheer thought.
And Sephiroth wasn’t trying is complete hyperbole bullshit. It said Cloud was outmatched, it never said he wasn’t trying.


Actually, I’m pretty sure Chaos is a Lvl4 limit break which can be used just as much as omnislash. Vincent said it was Cloud’s fight because they couldn’t even help him against Bahamut bar the flying part.
“You’re right, its Cloud’s fight. Think of all the strength we had when we thought that last battle? It’s only been a couple of years and already that feeling has gone away, I think Cloud has found his again”
A quote from Tifa confirming they didn’t have what it takes to help Cloud. Making Cloud > Avalance combined.
Cloud didn’t save the world because he was busy HELPING Vincent to take out DG soldiers and reactors, forget that?
So Vincent needs external items for passage, then he’s lamer than you said. Weiss would lose to Cloud, it would be about the same or a bit harder than Kadaj (who was pimps for Cloud). So Cloud couldn’t kill Omega like he killed Bahamut? Prove it wrong, I dare you LOL. And you forget Chaos FUCKING DIED lol.
No they actually said " It’s all yours now Vincent”
You’re assuming what Vincent thought to make him appear 'badass'

He would have to transform into Chaos to have a chance. He didn’t beat them because he couldn’t. He couldn’t beat Bahamut because HE DIDN’T. None of the avalance members could.
Hahaha now you’re saying that Sephiroth wasn’t a threat? They didn’t help because they couldn’t get there, and Sephiroth would have made them his bitch if they interfered.

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He wasn’t at his best though, until after he was cured of Stigma. So he still wasn’t at his best when fighting Bahamut

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1. Excuse me wtf are you on about Angeal and Genesis take it easy untill Sephiroth get’s cocky then Genesis say’s he would like to fight him alone a battle is then fought that neither clearly win’s (the advantage with J-Cell’s go’s to Sephiroth tho) and Angeal prevented both from fighting in the end Sephiroth did not repeat not make them his bitch.

Cloud however was sorly pwned by Sephiroth in term’s of skill at less than half his true power in AC (so i dunno what ur on buddy but Genesis and Angeal were far ubove Cloud) hell id even say Zack was almost as good as AC Cloud all thing’s considered he did beat Genesis who could hold his own without tire against Sephiroth.

Chaos and Weiss are leauge’s ubove these tho:

Chaos can fire huge energy beam’s quake the planet strip it of all life and has a near indestructable body, also to note it is an eternal entity like the weapon’s.

Weiss was 1st Class SOLIDER turned DG troop Turned Tsveit turned Emporer of all SOLIDER he is composed of both J-G Cell’s beat Restrictor from the 14th unit of SOLIDER who himself defeated the 13th squad in one sitting, he beat Azul and Russo at full power with only one arm before becomeing Omega Weiss who merged with both Omega and Nero to gain an indistructable body and absorbed the pure untainted lifestream, the list go’s on lol

plus both of these have displayed strenth and speed feat’s ubove both Cloud and even Sephiroth so far and are almost certainly more powerful, Weiss was much stronger than Kadaj a mare remnant of Sephiroth and a third of his power Kadaj did nothing that impressed me throughout AC witch would leed me to belive him any better than Russo the Crimson who fought Cloud without any apparent damage (and she is well WELL beneath Weiss who was intern under Omega Weiss and then Chaos).

2. omfg so many mistake’s biggest being that Chaos never died it returned to the planet as did Omega they are imortal hell even Weiss is still alive Genesis is still alive and yes you guessed it somehow Sephiroth most likely still live’s.

Actualy watch the fight with Kadaj again they are all about to help him out Barret give’s him 5 min’s Yuffie bring’s him Materia and Vincent already saved his ass back in the forest, but most respectfuly he tell’s them to leave the fight to Cloud it’s his battle, plus cmon all of them on Kadaj...lmao.

The team had gotten considerably weaker mind you but i doubt Cloud was better than all of them combined that’s pushing it alittle lol, but in DoC Vincent did get a hell of a big power boost and in pure feat’s really douse pwn anyone ive seen in FF7 so far, and the enemy’s in Dirge of Cirberus are far stronger faster excetra than the one’s featured in AC.

Cloud couldent stop Omega because that huge fucking barrior was stoping him lol and i think last time i cheacked the weapon’s never mind Omega all pwn Bahamut in term’s of raw power.

lol anyway the rest you put is pure fanboy bullshit i couldent care less about so cya later’s all peace out and Chaos rulzzzzzzzz.

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And yet he still suffered so terribly against a weakened Sephiroth...if the whole team had fought Seph it most likely would have ended like before in FF7 with Omni-Slash saveing the day.

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lathen makes a good point buster, if cloud as at his 2best” and still struggled to defeat sephy then that just proves that sephy is supreme to cloud

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When I say 'make them his bitch' he makes them look 'avareage'


No he didn’t he lost because he got fatigued, no where else in the fight did Sephiroth have the oppurtunity to kill. If he was owned in terms of Skill the fight would have been over, and don’t counter this with 'Sephiroth was playing'
Genesis and Angeal are not above Cloud. Didn’t he like lose to Zack? Zack is nowhere near as good as AC Cloud, And I don’t get this bullshit about people thinking Sephiroth wasn’t at full power in AC. The UO say AC Sephiroth is the most powerful Sephiroth there was in the VII story. Genesis fought Base Sephiroth not AC Sephiroth.


Nobody is above Sephiroth. So that one is straight out of the window.
His beam? What beam that quaked the planet?
Near indestructable, yet Rosso managed to damage him. Which would mean Omnislash would kill him, as it kill Sephiroth. Because he’s more durable than Vincent, why? Because he’s the most powerful, ask SE if you don’t believe me. So what if he’s a weapon, that didn’t stop them from getting pwned in VII.


First off, it doesn’t matter what skill Weiss can pull out of his ass, he’s below 'Roth. This is the same powerful Weiss who got manipulate by Hojo. With all of Weiss’s augmentments, he still manages to lose to Chaos, oh he’d uber powerful then.


And SE didn’t display, they SAID there is no one above Sephiroth. A mere remnant? Is that your excuse for downing Kadaj, because he’s a remnant? He’s not a third of Sephiroths power, he is of his own power. He’s not even Sephiorth, he’s indirectly controlled by Sephiroth. It doesn’t matter, if you weren’t impressed, is that how you rate characters, Cloud has better fighting skills and looks more impressive than Superman (in the movies) would Cloud win Superman? You don’t know what happened with Cloud and Rosso, so to even say they fought is a mere assumption.


You return to the planet BECAUSE YOU DIE. Sephiroth didn’t die because he WOULDN’T return to the planet. So you’re saying everyone that returns to the planet are alive? Why isn’t Cloud and Zack drinking beer together then?


They were gonna help because he would turn into Sephiroth. And just before Barret 'gives Cloud five minutes' Tifa states they’ve lost it anyway. Cloud DIDN’T need materia and he wouldn’t use it if Yuffie gave it to him. SE state that Avalance don’t use materia anymore because it drains the planet. So because Vincent saved a Geostigmatised Cloud, he’s over Kadaj and co. Then Yuffie is above Rosso then if you’re using that logic. He tells them to leave the fight because they were useless against bahamut, the UO says the gang were fighting Bahamut for 2 hours before Cloud came along, so if so badass they were, why wasn’t Bahamut dead before Cloud came?


The fight with Bahamut proves that Cloud > Avalanche. Sephiroth says he stronger than last time, so yes AC Cloud > VII Cloud.
No you just say Vincent is better because he 'looks' more impressive, I use the UO. Wtf? So Weiss is greater than Sephiroth? LMFAO LMFAO read the UO.


What barrier?
There’s actually nothing to suggest that Weapons are more powerful than Bahamut, and the fact is, I never even said Bahamut > Weapons, I said Cloud would kill omega in the same way as he killed Bahamut.


I think you were talking to yourself there mate, not knowing anything about the UO. Thinking that anyone is more powerful than Sephiroth is the stupidist thing I’ve heard. Yup Cloud’s my favuorite, but I don’t make up bull shit statements I can’t prove. I use the UO which is why I have not the need for making up things. I really worry about you, you need to read the UO before calling someone a fanboy.


Never said Cloud was better than Sephiroth. The UO says nobody is better than Sephiroth.

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1. He made Cloud look less than average in AC

2. There is a Topic on Zack vs Cloud right now so that is open for debate personaly Zack was mabe abit better or alittle bit worse than Cloud AC the truth is Seph toyed with both of them make no mistake if Sephiroth in AC wanted to he could have killed Cloud at any point in there fight (when he knocked Cloud into the Shinra Builing/inside were they play cat and mouse or when he stabbed his shoulder) Angeal and Genesis were awsomely strong and Zack beat Genesis who intern fought quight well against Sephiroth so id imagine there isnt much differance between Cloud and Zack despite experiance and hand to hand combat.

3. Vincent blasted Azul with his punisher wave in Chaos demonstrateing he could steal a person’s mako from them, Russo ripped a whole in Vincent’s chest that he healed almost instantly Hojo said he had gave him an indistructable body that would never age or mark, Sephiroth has been shown prown to damage hell he was going to destroy it and be reborn Chaos and Weiss were given body’s capable of storeing vast ammount’s of power.

4. That just show’s how strong Chaos is and Sephiroth has not been shown as on the same level like if i say im stronger than you yet you lift more waight, it is just an opinion and thus far you have proven the strongest.

So Weiss and Chaos are over Sephiroth currantly.

5. Calm down dude seriously all im saying is Kadaj lost rather quickly to Cloud Russo however simply fought him and went about her day neither winning hmmmm...

6. Im saying Omega went back to sleep and Chaos back to guarding it, they arnt mortal being’s they have a perpose in earth’s plan the LifeStream’s plan they cannot die as easily as we do Zack was mortal he died Cloud was mortal he died and was resurected by Airith Sephiroth became composed of Jeanova Cell’s and began consumeing the Life Stream.

7. They were weaker Cloud had his old strenth back that dousent make him stronger than all of them combined lol, what im saying is Vincent proved he could tackle much stronger enemy’s in DoC so im assumeing he can take on Kadaj and Co Yuffie however stood no chanc eagainst Russo if Cloud couldent beat her.

8. Weiss is easily ubove Sephiroth if you have actually played DoC he would have rapped him in AC no problem but im not sure about his full power as that has yet to be shown, and Vincent was more impressive because he showed higher levels of speed strenth power agility and so on even before going Chaos than ive ever seen Cloud preform.

9. There was a massive barrior Chaos had to break through to get to Omega Cloud and Co shout Vincent Do it and he go’s on about saveing the world, so yea that barrior and Omega had an indistructable Body i doubt Cloud’s sword could cut it as he struggled to cut the Lifestream being channeled and absorbed by Omega

10. I call it as i see it, ive seen the UO and the shit you say sorry to say aint in it bitch, so quit crying my freind saying someone is powerful and them actualy showing there power is different.

11. whatever help’s you sleep at night pumpkinpoo

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Stating Sephiroth is above everyone in VII.


An example of Sephiroth using his full power.



Actually they weren’t. The remnants were not actual pieces of Sephiroth, they were merely remnants or avatars of his will. They were carriers of his will that would then meet with Jenova and transogrify it into his body. The SHM were nothing more than beings of lifestream, polluted by Sephiroth’s consciousness. The real physical portion that made up Sephiroth was the pieces of Jenova.

And here’s an interesting thing the creators said about that:

So there you go. There is no credence to believing the remnants needed to join together. The creators even thought that was a stupid idea XD

I don’t need to counter anything ANYMORE.

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Stating Sephiroth is above everyone in VII.


An example of Sephiroth using his full power.



Actually they weren’t. The remnants were not actual pieces of Sephiroth, they were merely remnants or avatars of his will. They were carriers of his will that would then meet with Jenova and transogrify it into his body. The SHM were nothing more than beings of lifestream, polluted by Sephiroth’s consciousness. The real physical portion that made up Sephiroth was the pieces of Jenova.

And here’s an interesting thing the creators said about that:

So there you go. There is no credence to believing the remnants needed to join together. The creators even thought that was a stupid idea XD

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If you have read my latest post in Vincent vs Sephiroth you might understand why i belive ther are other’s who can beat the Roth lol.

But Good work Buster

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Of course, nobody is unbeatable, but I’m just saying in a hypothetical battle, Sephiroth would beat anyone, not because I said so, but because Nomura says so, I hope you understand now.

Yes the feats shown in DoC in your opinion is better than those in AC, but I’m just going by what is written down.

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Soz Buster think we got of on the wrong footing What Kyle said is right, in VS battle all bet’s are of bad can beat Good without lucky break’s, in DoC the feat’s were better but by what the creator said Seph should be better im gonna say Seph and Gen ftw here tho no hold’s barred

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What are you on sbout, 'lucky breaks'?

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I think he mean’s good alway’s win’s like someone pulling a superman with one last ditch effort

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I never actually stated who would win though. LOL