Things Christians do to piss of atheists.

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extremists are always annoying. Anyone who can just go off and protest saying “THESE PEOPLE ARE WRONG/SHOULD DIE” are fucking pricks.

There’s no problem with Christianity. The problem would be the Christians.

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Ding ding, we have a winnar.

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Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
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God does not forgive anything being associated with Him, but He forgives whoever He wills for anything other than that. Anyone who associates something with God has committed a terrible crime. (Qur’an, 4: 48)

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Thats just stupid... wtf is up would you nutty god... not wait it was a human who wrote it.. you know these a self proclaim god in india who has 5 million followers who all claim to have seen him perform miracles, thats far more plausable then some old book right?

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Bear my children.

Someone who actually understands its not the religion, its the people. Who would’ve thought of such a thing?

I don’t like associating with the idiots who have nothing better to do but demean people, or try to, who don’t believe. I have a person like that in my family, and my own mother, who is very Christian, dislikes her for that.

But, you want to generalize Christians, go ahead. Realize that in doing so, you are just as bad of a person as those you attack.

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I here alot of christians claims this alot... you follow the same bible, the same rules, jesus said to follow the old testaments, they say to kill anyone who isnt christian.. so tell me are you a christian? If you dont follow the rules you are not a christian.

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WRONG AND WRONG.

Not all Christians follow the same Bible or “rules” (since the Bible isn’t the rulebook for all things Christian), that’s why there are so many different sects of Christianity. Catholic, protestant, I don’t know the rest. There’s too many to count. Now why do all of these exist? Because they DON’T all follow the same rules. They all interpret the Bible differently. If you want to just read a book, and take it at face value, fine, but by not reading into it and looking for a deeper meaning you limit your scope a lot. All books you read today (childrens' books
aside) have some metaphor intended. I just read Fahrenheit 451 recently. Now you can read it and say “oh yes it was quite a good book about a dystopian society and I found it quite good” or you can look deeper into that to find out what different parts of the human mentality everyone represents, and what deeper meaning it had intended.

Same goes for the Bible. I don’t think any two people can interpret it the same way, and that’s fine. Churches aren’t the coach for all Christians. No Christian has to go to church, all churches provide is a set of people who may interpret Christ’s teachings kinda like you do.

Haven’t you ever wondered why there are people who can kill in the name of God, and people who think those people are retarded pricks, and yet they can both call themselves Christian?

That nice old lady down the street and the vicious warlords killing in God’s name are both Christian, but to say that they both follow the same rules and are, in essence, the SAME PERSON, is fucking retarded and ignorant.

Not all atheists follow the same rules, even though they all have a common belief. Yet I doubt you’d think to compare yourself to the people protesting outside of churches saying “GOD IS A LIE” for no reason other than too much time on their hands.

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The Bible is open to multiple interpretations. Thing is, you’re probably hearing the popular, ignorant-minded interpretations that come from people who go to church for more of a social reason than actually learning about God and Christ.

I only listen to those interpretations that go beyond going to church every Sunday, with the monotonous ritualistic nature teaching relatively nothing. I’ve read interpretations of the Bible from people who have done extensive research not only on the Bible, but also the cultures the Bible depicts, such as Romans and Hebrews.

I don’t follow any set of rules. All I know that’s a rule, or rather, a guarantee, is believing that Christ is my Lord and savior, was resurrected, and sits with God to return and save us will redeem me for eternity.

I don’t do much research on the Bible, however. I don’t need to. Some people want to; some, like myself, are content with the aforementioned guarantee.

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Yea You just hit - 9. When given a Bible verse that looks bad, say “that’s what the verse says, but that’s not what it means”.
Another one.. Athiest dont have a set of rules.

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I could be wrong, but to my knowledge, Atresac is an atheist.
And otherwise, he pretty much is right. The Bible has been interpreted multiple ways, otherwise we wouldn’t have the different forms of Christianity, which therefore means, in the end, that not all Christians follow the same rules.
As for atheists having a set of rules, it’s more morality. Some people don’t really have that or really show it, and some people’s perception of it is different than other people’s.

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He’s a Satanist.. But, he’s probably right because he’s not stupid.

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The problem with Christianity is that it pretends to know all the answers and gives false hope i.e. prayer, afterlife, divine plan, etc., the subversion of science and of course the idea of hell. You can’t blame the people for that. I mean I know there are extremists who do bad things, but the way I see it those extremists are also victims.

From the time they were young at the point where your brain is programmed to absorb all the information around you, you are told that you are sinful and if you don’t redempt those sins then you are going to a place full of fire, pain, agony and torture where you will burn, scream, and cry forever and ever until the end of time. If you’re a kid and you were told this, you would probably be scared to death. As you age, your ability to absorb information gradually dissipates and once you reach the point where you can no longer absorb information so easily, that whatever you were taught will be stuck with you, and this includes years of church teachings to the point where you become a fundamentalist Christian. When you teach your kids at a young age about how they will suffer in hell for all eternity if they’re not good, it is considered mental abuse and this is what Christianity teaches. This is what the Bible says, and to my knowledge there is not one Christian sect that interprets hell any other way. Self evidently, this kind of mental abuse will cause extremism.

Psychologists themselves know that both mental and physical abuse from a young age will fuck you up. Yes, you can say this is because of the parents, but where do you think the parents got it from? Maybe the parents got it from their parents, and their parents got it from their parents and so on. However there had of been a generation that didn’t always believe this, when you root it all down it eventually comes down to someone who has converted due to what Christianity teaches (born again Christian). If Christianity has never been there, then generations of brainwashing their kids to be Christian would never have happened and that one extremist at the end of the generation wouldn’t have fallen off that slippery slope.

Now I’m not saying that all the blame rests on Christianity because clearly it’s also the extremist’s and whoever taught them to think that way to blame. However, don’t go on saying there is nothing wrong with Christianity as if all the blame rests on the extremists, because clearly Christianity played a part in it. And for the record, I’m not talking about how Christians interpret the Bible differently, because this is much deeper than simple interpretation so don’t try using that as an excuse.

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What “some Christians” do to piss “Atheist” is trying to convince then in what they believe is correct, and conden other believes, but that goes for both ways, and also apply to some musulman, Budhist, Etc..

What Christ teach has been interpretate in many ways, when basically what he teach was to love the rest as yourself, and to be humble, to not condem, but to forgive and love and is not what you believe, is how you act,this is in many of his paraboles, as I personally, considere the life of cristh the core of christianity, the old books are mostly jews believes, and what church follow then as tradition, 1 part is the core of a mess, the gospel.

The problem with Christianity is human interpretation of religion, not what Christ teached.

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Any religion “pretends to know all the answers”. Even atheism, though it’s not a religion, to an extent says that “there is no God. This is correct”. Even if you never say this, by being an atheism you pretty much agree with that statement.

Christianity is not a bad thing and it takes a pretty warped mind to be able to manipulate it to be such. How anyone can take the simple teachings of Christ like “love thy mother and thy father” and act as if that somehow fucks up someone’s head is beyond me.

I was raised Roman Catholic. No one ever told be “believe in this or you will go to hell”. Not once in my time growing up with my family. I honestly doubt there is a family who would willingly scare their kids half to death by saying “YOU WILL BURN BURN BURN”.

Also, I’d like to ask how is anything in Christianity “false hope”? Because you don’t believe in it or that Dawkins guy supposedly “disproves” it (proving/disproving something that the human mind can’t even begin to fathom is flawed to begin with bu whatever) it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Now, I’m against the idea of “hope” entirely. What I get I get by my own account. Hope has no part in my life.

And going by your lose definition of “mental abuse”, the atheist telling their kid “Christianity is a lie, there is no God, if you even begin to believe this you’re wasting your time” could be considered mental abuse as well. I mean, it does pretty much, in the same vein shut off the child’s ability to absorb anything else later in life. And Christianity has helped a lot of people with a lot of things.

The criminal who reforms after reading the Bible and learns from his mistakes, is that a bad thing? The person whose close friend has just been killed, and finds hope that they will be going to heaven and live forever in a paradise, is that a bad thing? Now you can go off and talk about it all being “false hope”, but if it makes these people happy and lets them look at life from a new perspective, how is that, by any means, a bad thing?

And seriously, I’d like any Christian here whose parents told them as a child that they were sinful and were going to go to hell to burn forever, exactly like that, by all means, speak up now.

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Dude I’m not even a Christian. I’m a LaVeyan Satanist.

The set of rules for atheism is “don’t believe in God”. Now as I said, you’d never compare yourself to the guy holding up the sign that says “If Jesus comes back, KILL HIM AGAIN”. Even though, as I said, you share a common belief.

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Im gonna have to agree with atresac on this.


I was raised catholic, and i generally follow whatever I think is right. i dont let outside sources muddle my judgement or my thoughts. I peronally believe that religion was the easiest way to explain the unexplainable, and control the herds of sheeple at the same time. Now, does that mean I think its a bad thing? No, actually having dogma, or a belief in something, is good, helps you concetrate, and gives you some sort of hope, however false it may be. Justbecause people read the same bible, doesnt mean they are the same person. Maggot Face, who is a christian deist, reads it and thinks that they are allegorical myths in much the same way as greek or egyptian myths are. Someone like bugsbunny reads it and thinks, holy shit, this all happened, praise christ, heathen sinners go to hell. Its all a matter of perception. Perception can be influenced by your raisings, friends, tastes, etc, but most people have different perceptions on most things.

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Lot of talk about perception and interpretation. What I don’t understand, is why god didn’t create the Bible so it’s crystal clear what it really says and what he really wants us to believe. It might have been a good idea to double check his work.

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If he was going to make it crystal clear, a strict set of rules for everyone to live by, there would be no individuality left. Everyone would just be a bunch of sheep. By having it open to interpretation, maybe everyone who reads the Bible and lives by their own perception of it would be, in God’s “eyes”, right.

I don’t think God would want to limit the gates of heaven to only Catholics, Mormons, Protestants, etc. God wants as many people to be saved as possible.

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If god wants us to be saved then... why doesn’t he just save us? Would it be that hard for an omnipotent all loving being to save us from hell fire himself rather than letting us go to hell? Why send people to hell anyway? Why not just decide that if they weren’t good enough to get into heaven, he could send them back to Earth until they’ve changed, or better yet, change them himself? Why invent hell in the first place? Why even create a person knowing full well if they’re going to hell? Who says you can’t still have individuality and still know exactly what you have to do to get into heaven? All these questions, and more, are raised because of unsatisfying and unanswerable questions about god, his existence, his intentions, etc.