| 07 Jan 2008 03:23 am |
Happy to help Rep: 31  Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,331 OFFLINE | America doesn’t want Europe to have it’s own army but i think it would be a good thing WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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| 07 Jan 2008 03:29 am |
The lonely planet Rep: 32 Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,616 OFFLINE | I show of unity. it would soulth the problem of which country is going to fight. Just like the erac thing. How much money did that cost us and the US. Most other countries did not contribute.
But is the UN not the same as what your proposing.
And what if we wont to fight a war that the rest of Europe dose not? Is that not the same as what happened with the UN
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| 07 Jan 2008 10:23 am |
I created "The Pain Series". Now u die Rep: 15 Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,720 OFFLINE | no srsly .. have like a NON COMBAT .. peace keeping .. united POLICE or somei t.. but ARMY .. thats like whack .. no good.. i say NO
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| 07 Jan 2008 10:41 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17 Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | tuscan1 wrote:
America doesn’t want Europe to have it’s own army but i think it would be a good thing WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Uhh, what?
NATO dude, NATO. America wanted desperately for Europe to be armed during the Cold War. Not much has changed.
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| 07 Jan 2008 10:57 am |
tuscan1 offline Guest | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
tuscan1 wrote:
America doesn’t want Europe to have it’s own army but i think it would be a good thing WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Uhh, what?
NATO dude, NATO. America wanted desperately for Europe to be armed during the Cold War. Not much has changed.
My friend you are a little out of date Europe would like to make a proper army not NATO.
This would be a army that worked as one not separate countries with there own agenda’s.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:00 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | No shit, genius. However, NATO essentially does the job, with the backing of America.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:02 am |
tuscan1 offline Guest | THE_PAIN wrote:
no srsly .. have like a NON COMBAT .. peace keeping .. united POLICE or somei t.. but ARMY .. thats like whack .. no good.. i say NO
But if Europe could do it and make it successful would that not be a good thing for other counties as you well know counties like Sweden/Holland/France/Belgium are not GUNHOE like the Americans and to a lesser extent the British?
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:04 am |
tuscan1 offline Guest | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
No shit, genius. However, NATO essentially does the job, with the backing of America.
Dont be an ass Europe would like it’s own army and not have to rely on the US to deal in it’s problems.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:06 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | It would, yes. But your point that America doesnt want Europe to have it’s own army is what I have issue with.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:09 am |
Happy to help Rep: 31Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,331 OFFLINE | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
It would, yes. But your point that America doesnt want Europe to have it’s own army is what I have issue with.
Ok not America as such but elements in the us government dont want it to happen.
They see it as a threat to them and there power status in the world.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:12 am |
The lonely planet Rep: 32Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,616 OFFLINE | tuscan1 wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
It would, yes. But your point that America doesnt want Europe to have it’s own army is what I have issue with.
Ok not America as such but elements in the us government dont want it to happen.
They see it as a threat to them and there power status in the world.
Well it would be, But that would be a good thing.
One country should not have all that power. Its dangerous.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | Although I’d have agreed with you 3 years ago, I don’t think that’s so under the current climate. Although I’m sure America would want some sort of influence in a European army.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:14 am |
Happy to help Rep: 31Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,331 OFFLINE | pluto wrote:
tuscan1 wrote:
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
It would, yes. But your point that America doesnt want Europe to have it’s own army is what I have issue with.
Ok not America as such but elements in the us government dont want it to happen.
They see it as a threat to them and there power status in the world.
Well it would be, But that would be a good thing.
One country should not have all that power. Its dangerous.
Agreed my friend.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:16 am |
Happy to help Rep: 31Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,331 OFFLINE | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Although I’d have agreed with you 3 years ago, I don’t think that’s so under the current climate. Although I’m sure America would want some sort of influence in a European army.
Of course that stands to reason but would Europe allow it Hmmmmm?
How long can America stay the super power in this small world.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:20 am |
why so grunty? Rep: 37 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,447 OFFLINE | that was kinda the original idea
they were sopposed to watch there backs to make a super A team...
hitler screwed it over
but they could try it again
that would be the powerhouse by far passing china in power
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:20 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | America is no longer the superpower, so it’s irrelevant.
I don’t think a European wide army is feasible anyway. NATO was only made possible because of the climate of the Cold War, but nowadays, all European countries have a different agenda. Just look at the division over the Iraq war. Each country has different interests, history. I don’t think they could ever agree on anything tbh.
Also, having an army with 8 or so different languages doesn’t make logistical sense.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:27 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 24 Joined: 23 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,927 OFFLINE | tuscan1 offline wrote:
THE_PAIN wrote:
no srsly .. have like a NON COMBAT .. peace keeping .. united POLICE or somei t.. but ARMY .. thats like whack .. no good.. i say NO
But if Europe could do it and make it successful would that not be a good thing for other counties as you well know counties like Sweden/Holland/France/Belgium are not GUNHOE like the Americans and to a lesser extent the British?
I think it would be great. then europe could pay for it’s own army and my taxes would stop being sent directly overseas. don’t get me wrong, i know we need our allies but i get a little tired of people complaing about the military sending funds for bases and personel all over the world and having are alies complain about this. i think that we should pull our troops from all over the world. the only problem with this is we’ve seen what happens when european nations have large armies. they tend to attack each other.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:37 am |
Happy to help Rep: 31Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,331 OFFLINE | I agree with all you’re points but Europe has changed a lot these days and i think it can be done after all they have all got together to make the Euro fighter plane which seems to be successful and this could happen on many other projects to, so helping to lead to one complete European alliance and so aiding to one European army and the language would have to be one which would have to be English as most of these countries have English as there second language.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:40 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560 OFFLINE | tuscan1 wrote:
I agree with all you’re points but Europe has changed a lot these days and i think it can be done after all they have all got together to make the Euro fighter plane
That’s not as successful as you think it is actually. It’s done pretty well for itself, but one of the principle nations involved in the design (ie, those bastard French) dropped out mid-programme, taking the designs with them and creating their own plane based on the Typhoon. The Rafale, I believe.
But still, I really think the language thing is an enourmous barrier. It’s hard enough to know what to do in combat, let alone with your troops barely understanding what you’re saying.
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| 07 Jan 2008 11:41 am |
Regular Rep: 1 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 530 OFFLINE | Can I create my own army and stop europe from creating their army? I would be all like, “Hey yous guys, I’m gonna kick you in the nuts!! Men prepare kick to nuts!!" Cause I’ll be the General and stuff, and we would start a massive kick-nut-gallore.
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