| 29 Mar 2008 05:55 pm |
Sephirot Guest | Didn’t work on him in the Shinra building, and when he moves IN to the Shinra building, he moves so fast he basically disappears and re-appears in the building.
Uhh you can see him moving at a SLOWASS speed with a big smile on his face running at CLoud, then he swings his sword and goes “ooo you got stronger?" its clearly not as fast as he could go.
Tell that to people who survive lightning attack and being shot to the head, if it should kill them, then they SHOULD die.
Again FATAL means RESULTING in death, if theyre not dead, it wasn’t fatal, comprehend that please.
Why do you think on the news they go “A man was severely wounded by a gunshot to the head, fortunately it was not fatal."
That means the wound was not FATAL, meaning he is still alive.
You will NEVER hear “A man was fatally injured by a gunshot, but he is still alive." That makes NO sense, fatal means result in death, if hes still alive then its not fatal.
Which part of eventually beating Cloud did you miss, and didn’t Sephiroth take the upper hand AFTER Cloud gets tired? Nope, Sephiroth uses physical force, he chose this yes, but having chose this, he has to work to beat Cloud.
Yeah because Sephiroth was clearly not going 100%, he CHOSE to wear Cloud down, and keep tormenting him, keeping him alive even longer when he could’ve killed him against the rock proves this.
He dodged his whole body, how would Loz end up off the screen if it wasn’t his whole body? Tossed him? What the hell?
He dodged, then got hit a split second later and flew back.. watch the video?
In the church, Kadaj uses bolt. If Sephiroth couldn’t evade omnislash when Cloud was moving, what makes you thik Chaos can? Remember he’s BELOW Sephiroth, and you have yet to prove that Chaos is faster than lightning.
So many things with what you said.
first of all that bolt was no where near as fast as a real lightning bolt
second of all Sephiroth wasn’t going all out, his movement speed was Clouds speed at best.
I never said Chaos was faster then lightning but hes clearly faster then that bolt, that bolt you can easily follow with your eyes, when Chaos is zipping around you cannot follow him.
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 | | 30 Mar 2008 07:00 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Uhh you can see him moving at a SLOWASS speed with a big smile on his face running at CLoud, then he swings his sword and goes “ooo you got stronger?" its clearly not as fast as he could go.
Oh yeah, he comes from behind Cloud and he STILL couldnt touch him. So because he’s smiling he’s not trying? What bullshit is this? It’s called arrogance, it’s not called playing around. I can’t believe you were the one that showed me thoe quote of Sephiroth eventually taking Cloud out and then you deny it, what back-logic is that?
Again FATAL means RESULTING in death, if theyre not dead, it wasn’t fatal, comprehend that please.
Why do you think on the news they go “A man was severely wounded by a gunshot to the head, fortunately it was not fatal."
That means the wound was not FATAL, meaning he is still alive.
You will NEVER hear “A man was fatally injured by a gunshot, but he is still alive." That makes NO sense, fatal means result in death, if hes still alive then its not fatal.
Yes and on another day, someother person would die, you saying this person is more durable than the next?
Yeah because Sephiroth was clearly not going 100%, he CHOSE to wear Cloud down, and keep tormenting him, keeping him alive even longer when he could’ve killed him against the rock proves this.
No, the only thing he chose was not to use his spiritual abilities. Stop making bullshit about him chosing to wear Cloud down, SE never say after after chosing to wear Cloud down, Sephiroth eventually takes the upper hand. It just says he eventually did, so stop making stuff up. Stabbing Cloud in the chest/shoulder is the only time where Sephiroth should/would have one, not any time before, so stop making stuff up.
e dodged, then got hit a split second later and flew back.. watch the video?
It wasn’t a split second, because Cloud started to attack, then they block and then Loz starts to go fast, and Cloud misses a few hits and THEN he gets hit, that was NOT a split second.
So many things with what you said.
first of all that bolt was no where near as fast as a real lightning bolt
second of all Sephiroth wasn’t going all out, his movement speed was Clouds speed at best.
I never said Chaos was faster then lightning but hes clearly faster then that bolt, that bolt you can easily follow with your eyes, when Chaos is zipping around you cannot follow him.
So you are saying because you saw the attack it’s not lightning speed? What is it then, cheese? You can see lightning strike in real life, so how is it slower. You can see the bullets Yazoo was shooting at Cloud, does that mean they aren’t bullet speed either, it’s lightning, it’s lightning speed, end of. So stop denying it. Chaos is not made of plasma, a bolt of lightning is like a line, so you WILL see a line, last time I checked Chaos is not made of plasma.
Yeah sure Sephiroth wasn’t trying, shame SE confirm he was using full powered attacks which Cloud BLOCKED, it’s a shame he eventually beat Cloud, I guess he was massing about like YOU say.
| | | 30 Mar 2008 10:18 pm |
Sephirot Guest |
Oh yeah, he comes from behind Cloud and he STILL couldnt touch him. So because he’s smiling he’s not trying? What bullshit is this? It’s called arrogance, it’s not called playing around. I can’t believe you were the one that showed me thoe quote of Sephiroth eventually taking Cloud out and then you deny it, what back-logic is that?
Exactly, so obviously Sephiroth wasn’t moving as fast as he could, yes when most ppl smile and say things that make his opponent seem like a kid, usually its a sign of not going at 100%, its common sense. Yeah Sephiroth does eventuaklly take Cloud out.. because he was basically fooling around and treating him like an ant, he could’ve killed him against the wall but chose to keep him alive even longer.
Yes and on another day, someother person would die, you saying this person is more durable than the next?
Why is it so hard to understand that Fatal Wound means a Wound that causes DEATH? Are you slow-minded or something? IF THE WOUND DOESNT KILL HIM ITS NOT FATAL. The word fatal isnt a TYPE of injury, and a word to DESCRIBE the injury. He died because he received a fatal wound (meaning he received an injury “CAUSING DEATH” hence the word fatal wound)
Doesn’t makes sense if it was “He received a fatal wound, but he’s alive (How can he be alive if he received a injury that caused him death?)
HOWEVER; it would make sense if it was “He received a severe wound that would have been fatal if he was not healed right away (Meaning he was healed before the wound caused him death)
Do you understand?
No, the only thing he chose was not to use his spiritual abilities. Stop making bullshit about him chosing to wear Cloud down, SE never say after after chosing to wear Cloud down, Sephiroth eventually takes the upper hand. It just says he eventually did, so stop making stuff up. Stabbing Cloud in the chest/shoulder is the only time where Sephiroth should/would have one, not any time before, so stop making stuff up.
SE doesn’t say alot of things, you use your common sense to see it for yourself, Sephiroth eventually taking the upperhand means nothing, i can watch TV and fight my little brother at the same time, and i’ll eventually take the upperhand.. ur point? Thats the only time we see, the fight was longer then what we actually see, but clearly Sephiroth chose to keep Cloud alive even longer to torment him some more.
It wasn’t a split second, because Cloud started to attack, then they block and then Loz starts to go fast, and Cloud misses a few hits and THEN he gets hit, that was NOT a split second.
Cloud dodged, tried to attack (missing) and got hit, in a span of about one second.
So you are saying because you saw the attack it’s not lightning speed? What is it then, cheese? You can see lightning strike in real life, so how is it slower. You can see the bullets Yazoo was shooting at Cloud, does that mean they aren’t bullet speed either, it’s lightning, it’s lightning speed, end of. So stop denying it. Chaos is not made of plasma, a bolt of lightning is like a line, so you WILL see a line, last time I checked Chaos is not made of plasma.
Uhh you do know its impossible to see the lightning actually coming down and striking right? Because its INSTANT, its so instant it strikes, then you HEAR after, go look at some lightning . The thing Kadaj shot was DEFINATELY not instant, and Cloud even had time to dive out of the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLJ6oqToKrc
^ A real lightning bolt, coming from the SKY, it’s impossible to dive out of the way from that, let alone from 10 feet away from the shooter
Yeah sure Sephiroth wasn’t trying, shame SE confirm he was using full powered attacks which Cloud BLOCKED, it’s a shame he eventually beat Cloud, I guess he was massing about like YOU say.
It said the pieces of buildings were going on fire because of his power, He COULD have beat Cloud too bad he kept him alive to torment him some more.
| | | 01 Apr 2008 06:51 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Exactly, so obviously Sephiroth wasn’t moving as fast as he could, yes when most ppl smile and say things that make his opponent seem like a kid, usually its a sign of not going at 100%, its common sense. Yeah Sephiroth does eventuaklly take Cloud out.. because he was basically fooling around and treating him like an ant, he could’ve killed him against the wall but chose to keep him alive even longer.
So Sephiroth can’t have fun and want to kill, I guess when Cloud smiled when fighting Kadaj, he was playing around too, yeah that’s so true, nope Sephiroth used his speed blittz twice, one to get into the shinra building, and one behind Cloud and still missed. It’s not a sign of not going 100%, it’s a sign of arrogance, just because you know you are superior, that doesn’t mean you fight without your superiority.
I love how I get called a fanboy, then there is you saying Sephiroth was fooling around, the fooling around part is your interpretation to big up Sephiroth’s balls, the eventually and nothing else is SE words, I trust the creators more than your interpretation thanks.
Why is it so hard to understand that Fatal Wound means a Wound that causes DEATH? Are you slow-minded or something? IF THE WOUND DOESNT KILL HIM ITS NOT FATAL. The word fatal isnt a TYPE of injury, and a word to DESCRIBE the injury. He died because he received a fatal wound (meaning he received an injury “CAUSING DEATH” hence the word fatal wound)
Doesn’t makes sense if it was “He received a fatal wound, but he’s alive (How can he be alive if he received a injury that caused him death?)
HOWEVER; it would make sense if it was “He received a severe wound that would have been fatal if he was not healed right away (Meaning he was healed before the wound caused him death)
Do you understand?
His wound didn’t heal right away, Cloud doesn’t have regenrative powers and that is EXACTLY wht he should have died, he should have died in Nibleheim, he should have died in AC.
Do you understand that Cloud does not regenrate like Chaos or Sephiroth? That is why he should have died, he survived a fatal wound because of his durability, do you get that? If that was Chaos, it would be no problem, or even Sephiroth as they regenerate like a mother fucker, but Cloud doesn’t.
SE doesn’t say alot of things, you use your common sense to see it for yourself, Sephiroth eventually taking the upperhand means nothing, i can watch TV and fight my little brother at the same time, and i’ll eventually take the upperhand.. ur point? Thats the only time we see, the fight was longer then what we actually see, but clearly Sephiroth chose to keep Cloud alive even longer to torment him some more
Yes, but nobody made commentary on your fight with your little brother though did they? Nope you saying Sephiroth kept Cloud alive is the misinterpretation, it just makes Sephiroth appear more superior, I mean SE already say he’s the best, what the hell more do you want? You seriously have no idea how much Sephiroth hates Cloud then dude.
Cloud dodged, tried to attack (missing) and got hit, in a span of about one second.
Still wasn’t a split second.
Uhh you do know its impossible to see the lightning actually coming down and striking right? Because its INSTANT, its so instant it strikes, then you HEAR after, go look at some lightning . The thing Kadaj shot was DEFINATELY not instant, and Cloud even had time to dive out of the way.
Do you know that it’s impoosible to see bullets when they are fire? But Cloud still dodges them, trying to use the law of physics here especially here is pointless, and actually if you are far enough you CAN see the bolt of lightning, I also know how fast it travels, so I do know enough about lightning cheers.
I can say the same with bullets, there is almost no time to react to it, but Cloud dodges it, like I said this is fiction, Cloud dodged Kadaj’s bolt, you don’t say bullets don’t travel bullet speed just because you saw them when Yazoo fired them.
^ A real lightning bolt, coming from the SKY, it’s impossible to dive out of the way from that, let alone from 10 feet away from the shooter
Last time I checked, Cloud wasn’t real, floating in the air while fightning is impossible too, want me to list more things that Cloud does which defys the laws of physics?
It said the pieces of buildings were going on fire because of his power, He COULD have beat Cloud too bad he kept him alive to torment him some more.
Too bad your only saying this to cling to Sephiroth’s balls.
| | | 16 Apr 2008 07:04 pm |
Sephirot Guest | So Sephiroth can’t have fun and want to kill, I guess when Cloud smiled when fighting Kadaj, he was playing around too, yeah that’s so true, nope Sephiroth used his speed blittz twice, one to get into the shinra building, and one behind Cloud and still missed. It’s not a sign of not going 100%, it’s a sign of arrogance, just because you know you are superior, that doesn’t mean you fight without your superiority.
I love how I get called a fanboy, then there is you saying Sephiroth was fooling around, the fooling around part is your interpretation to big up Sephiroth’s balls, the eventually and nothing else is SE words, I trust the creators more than your interpretation thanks
If he was 100% serious, the creators would actually make it seem like he was 100% serious, if you actually paid attention to the movie you would know that Cloud smilled because he was happy the party left him to fight Kadaj alone.
No that was not his “speedblitz” that wasn’t even fast, or as fast as even Loz was moving
Your only reason for Sephiroth going 100% serious is that the parts of the building were on fire because of Sephiroths power, you can go ask any random person to watch that battle and ask him if he thinks Sephiroth is going all out, and they’ll laugh and be like obviously not
His wound didn’t heal right away, Cloud doesn’t have regenrative powers and that is EXACTLY wht he should have died, he should have died in Nibleheim, he should have died in AC.
Do you understand that Cloud does not regenrate like Chaos or Sephiroth? That is why he should have died, he survived a fatal wound because of his durability, do you get that? If that was Chaos, it would be no problem, or even Sephiroth as they regenerate like a mother fucker, but Cloud doesn’t.
Exactly, he has superhuman durability, thats why the wound was NOT fatal, why is it so hard for you to understand that Cloud and Regular humans are different?
FATAL means RESULTING IN DEATH, if Cloud can survive it, then its NOT fatal.
Is a human getting shot that kills him fatal? YES
Is Cloud getting shot that DOESNT kill him? NO its not fatal
Is a human getting stabbed that kills him fatal? YES
Is Cloud getting stabbed that DOESN’T kill him fatal? NO
Cloud is DIFFERENT from ordinary humans, UNDERSTAND THAT PLZ
Like really... is it that hard to understand what fatal means?
Yes, but nobody made commentary on your fight with your little brother though did they? Nope you saying Sephiroth kept Cloud alive is the misinterpretation, it just makes Sephiroth appear more superior, I mean SE already say he’s the best, what the hell more do you want? You seriously have no idea how much Sephiroth hates Cloud then dude.
Sephiroth DID keep Cloud alive, you clearly see it in the movie, Cloud is helpless against the wall, and Sephiroth stabs him in a not vital-point so he can keep tormenting him verbally, he could’ve stabbed him anywhere to ACTUALLY kill him but he chose not to, Sephiroth hates Cloud enough to torment him for as long as he can.
Do you know that it’s impoosible to see bullets when they are fire? But Cloud still dodges them, trying to use the law of physics here especially here is pointless, and actually if you are far enough you CAN see the bolt of lightning, I also know how fast it travels, so I do know enough about lightning cheers.
I can say the same with bullets, there is almost no time to react to it, but Cloud dodges it, like I said this is fiction, Cloud dodged Kadaj’s bolt, you don’t say bullets don’t travel bullet speed just because you saw them when Yazoo fired them.
.. Lightning is INSTANT, the thing Kadaj shot was like slow as hell, that it gave Cloud 1-2 seconds to dive out of the way, and i hope your not really trying to say Cloud is going to be diving around like that if he were to fight someone like Chaos who can CONSTANTLY move at that speed
Too bad your only saying this to cling to Sephiroth’s balls.
Again, go ask ANYONE to watch that fight and ask them if Sephiroth is going 100% all out, and they’ll say your the one clinging on to Clouds balls
| | | 18 Apr 2008 07:49 am |
Buster Sword Guest | If he was 100% serious, the creators would actually make it seem like he was 100% serious, if you actually paid attention to the movie you would know that Cloud smilled because he was happy the party left him to fight Kadaj alone.
So you are saying Sephiroth wasn’t serious? Why because he was smiling? Oh wow everytime someone smiles about something they must not be serious. Sephiroth smiles because of his arrogance, Loz and Yazoo were also smiling at Cloud when they fought, go on and tell me they were pissing about too. Cloud didn’t actually smile because of that, he smiled because he was imaginng what they would be saying in the Sierra.
No that was not his “speedblitz” that wasn’t even fast, or as fast as even Loz was moving
Is that why he used warp speed to get into the building?
Your only reason for Sephiroth going 100% serious is that the parts of the building were on fire because of Sephiroths power, you can go ask any random person to watch that battle and ask him if he thinks Sephiroth is going all out, and they’ll laugh and be like obviously not
Yes and any person who watches the movie without reading the UO would be making a biased decision.
Exactly, he has superhuman durability, thats why the wound was NOT fatal, why is it so hard for you to understand that Cloud and Regular humans are different?
FATAL means RESULTING IN DEATH, if Cloud can survive it, then its NOT fatal.
Is a human getting shot that kills him fatal? YES
Is Cloud getting shot that DOESNT kill him? NO its not fatal
Is a human getting stabbed that kills him fatal? YES
Is Cloud getting stabbed that DOESN’T kill him fatal? NO
Cloud is DIFFERENT from ordinary humans, UNDERSTAND THAT PLZ
Like really... is it that hard to understand what fatal means?
If he had superhuman durability as the way you are saying it, the sword wouldn’t have gone through, see durability is about how difficult it is to pearce the skin. The sword went through.
Sephiroth DID keep Cloud alive, you clearly see it in the movie, Cloud is helpless against the wall, and Sephiroth stabs him in a not vital-point so he can keep tormenting him verbally, he could’ve stabbed him anywhere to ACTUALLY kill him but he chose not to, Sephiroth hates Cloud enough to torment him for as long as he can.
There is no other time in the physical fight Sephiroth could insta pwn until Cloud was stuck in the wall. He does stab him in a vital point, Cloud doesn’t regenrate, so the chest is a vital point, and then to lift him up while still being impailed.
Lightning is INSTANT, the thing Kadaj shot was like slow as hell, that it gave Cloud 1-2 seconds to dive out of the way, and i hope your not really trying to say Cloud is going to be diving around like that if he were to fight someone like Chaos who can CONSTANTLY move at that speed
If lightning is instant you would never see the bolt, you talk as if it’s the speed of light or something. Lightning actually travels at millisecond ranges which is like .5 of a second, that attack wasnt 2 seconds. my arse doe. Chaos doesn’t move at lightning speed dude. And lets not forget the point blanker Cloud pulls on Yazoo.
Again, go ask ANYONE to watch that fight and ask them if Sephiroth is going 100% all out, and they’ll say your the one clinging on to Clouds balls
And while you are at it, tell them to read the UO too. Why did you miss that out for, want them to give a biased opinion?
| | | 21 Apr 2008 12:44 pm |
Khorib Guest | Alright alright alright... I’m gonna put one small issue to rest here... The whole thing about FATAL WOUNDS.
BUSTERSWORD, I believe the word you are looking for, for the wound that Cloud received is a MORTAL WOUND. A MORTAL WOUND is a form of serious injury that can possibly result in death. HOWEVER... (SEPHIROT has been right in explaining this to you) if you DIE from a MORTAL WOUND... it becomes a FATAL WOUND, only if you DIED!
The difference between a MORTAL WOUND and FATAL WOUND is that you can only be MOTALLY WOUNDED if you are still alive. If you DIE... then it is a FATAL WOUND. This goes for EVERYBODY, super human or otherwise... goddamn
| | | 24 Apr 2008 11:12 am |
Buster Sword Guest | It still doesn’t change the fact that he SHOULD have died, and that is what I’m really arguing.
| | | 13 May 2008 10:30 pm |
Sephirot Guest | So you are saying Sephiroth wasn’t serious? Why because he was smiling? Oh wow everytime someone smiles about something they must not be serious. Sephiroth smiles because of his arrogance, Loz and Yazoo were also smiling at Cloud when they fought, go on and tell me they were pissing about too. Cloud didn’t actually smile because of that, he smiled because he was imaginng what they would be saying in the Sierra.
No, because:
1)he didn’t use any of his powers
2)he didn’t use his full speed
3)he was basically just talking to him with a smile on his face the entire time taunting him
4)he let him live when he could have killed him, letting him live just so he can taunt him some more.
Is that why he used warp speed to get into the building?
He didn’t use “warp speed” to get into the building, he did a flip, jumped in, and started running at a speed that was probably even slower then Cloud.
Yes and any person who watches the movie without reading the UO would be making a biased decision.
No, its just a common sense decision, the UO doesn’t say Sephiroth was going all out, all it says is that the building were going ablaze because of Sephiroth power.
If he had superhuman durability as the way you are saying it, the sword wouldn’t have gone through, see durability is about how difficult it is to pearce the skin. The sword went through.
And he survived, twice. So did Cloud die? No. which means it wasn’t fatal.
There is no other time in the physical fight Sephiroth could insta pwn until Cloud was stuck in the wall. He does stab him in a vital point, Cloud doesn’t regenrate, so the chest is a vital point, and then to lift him up while still being impailed.
Sephiroth was basically just tossing crap at Cloud, dropping building on him for fun, then when Cloud was stuck against the wall, he stabbed him in a NON-vital point, (hence why hes still alive) Cloud has survived that twice now, obviously its not a vital point.
If lightning is instant you would never see the bolt, you talk as if it’s the speed of light or something. Lightning actually travels at millisecond ranges which is like .5 of a second, that attack wasnt 2 seconds. my arse doe. Chaos doesn’t move at lightning speed dude. And lets not forget the point blanker Cloud pulls on Yazoo.
Lightning is basically instant, its impossible to see it come down and strike because it travels at 186000 MILES per SECOND, Cloud (who isn’t even that fast) had time to dive out of the way from that thing that Kadaj shot (which obviously wasn’t that fast either)
Chaos blinks around and you can barely even see him, Cloud has never been shown to move at speeds even remotely close to that, Chaos does insane power damage when he uses it, nothing Cloud has ever demonstrated, he would turn Cloud into a stain on the ground
And while you are at it, tell them to read the UO too. Why did you miss that out for, want them to give a biased opinion?
Again, the UO says that building pieces went ablaze because of Sephiroths power, it doesn’t mean Sephiroth is going all out against Cloud.
It still doesn’t change the fact that he SHOULD have died, and that is what I’m really arguing.
Did he die the first time while he was still a regular human? No
Would he die the second time after how much more powerful he became? No
So.. did he die? No.
| | | 13 May 2008 10:49 pm |
Bitches don't know bout my Dhaos Laser. Rep: 49  Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,855 OFFLINE | lightning does NOT move lightspeed.
| | | 14 May 2008 02:18 am |
Buster Sword Guest | No, because:
1)he didn’t use any of his powers
2)he didn’t use his full speed
3)he was basically just talking to him with a smile on his face the entire time taunting him
4)he let him live when he could have killed him, letting him live just so he can taunt him some more.
He didn’t have to use all of his powers to be serious.
He actually DID use warp speed once, so that fails.
So he was talking, your point? I guess Sephiroth was playing with Zack too because he smiled, I guess Loz and Yazoo were playing with Cloud too because they were smiling, oh wait that was just before they got owned.
He had to wear him out and beat his ass before he could do anything.
He didn’t use “warp speed” to get into the building, he did a flip, jumped in, and started running at a speed that was probably even slower then Cloud.
You need to watch that film again dude, when he smacks Cloud, do you even look at the distance at which Cloud flies into the building? So how could he somersault over 100 metres? lmao if you slow mo it you will see he warp speeds, if you watch it in real time you will see there is no Sephiroth inbetween the somersault.
No, its just a common sense decision, the UO doesn’t say Sephiroth was going all out, all it says is that the building were going ablaze because of Sephiroth power.
Because he was using FULL power. Just stop denying he was using full power attacks.
And he survived, twice. So did Cloud die? No. which means it wasn’t fatal.
Should.
Sephiroth was basically just tossing crap at Cloud, dropping building on him for fun, then when Cloud was stuck against the wall, he stabbed him in a NON-vital point, (hence why hes still alive) Cloud has survived that twice now, obviously its not a vital point.
For fun? I love this. Did he not stab him in the chest after he beat him? It’s not a vital point, it’s just the fact that Cloud’s heart is in his chest, lets not forget how important that is for a human.
Lightning is basically instant, its impossible to see it come down and strike because it travels at 186000 MILES per SECOND, Cloud (who isn’t even that fast) had time to dive out of the way from that thing that Kadaj shot (which obviously wasn’t that fast either)
No it isn’t. Humans can freaking video lightning. Lightning does not travel at the speed of light, what the hell are you talking about dude, it’s NOWHEERE NEAR the speed of light, it travels in miliseconds NOT nano seconds. It’s got nothing to do with Cloud’s speeds, it’s his REFLEXES. Nope how are YOU supposed to know what attack it was if YOU don’t see it?Chaos blinks around and you can barely even see him, Cloud has never been shown to move at speeds even remotely close to that, Chaos does insane power damage when he uses it, nothing Cloud has ever demonstrated, he would turn Cloud into a stain on the ground
Again I’m not talking about travelling speed, I’m talking about Cloud’s REFLEXES, he doesn’t have to be as fast as Chaos to react to him, and lol Cloud hasnt got powerful attacks? That’s why he busted something that’s stronger than the planet?Again, the UO says that building pieces went ablaze because of Sephiroths power, it doesn’t mean Sephiroth is going all out against Cloud.
Again you purposefully miss the point of FULL POWER
Did he die the first time while he was still a regular human? No
Would he die the second time after how much more powerful he became? No
So.. did he die? No.
Hojo interveined the first time, so yes I can say so.
He gets stabbed in the chest, you know your heart is there, that’s pretty self explanetory.
| | | 28 Jun 2008 01:42 am |
Seraphi Guest | not to be rude but even though sephiroth was in mako for so long the fact remains that Cloud was hojo’s experiment to re-create sephiroth he has the same cells as sephiroth as stated in the games and on top of that he was put in pure mako for more than 4 years along with zack. His skills with a sword were crap but his supernatural abilities matched sephiroths if anything they were damned close to his for being a failed copy of sephiroth cloud as you should notice can’t be killed either his wounds heal quickly and he was stuck in the lifestream as well for several months on the game.
also considering that somehow cloud lifted sephiroth up after being impaled and threw him into a reactor on top of that cloud survived the impalment and after zack died he adopted and replaced his own memories with zacks fooling himself into having good sword skills and magic skills those of zack’s its simple psychology really his own memories were replaced by zacks for a long time and zack to was trained with a sword up to 1st class also being dumped in pure mako for 4 years. while Cloud was hojo’s experiment to create another sephiroth copy. as I have learned from every FF 7 game and even the movie (not so much the movie) Sephiroth has some kind of brotherly connection to cloud as it would seem >.> maybe maybe not as he never desires to completely kill cloud just screw with his mind.
| | | 05 Jul 2008 03:29 am |
Dantes Ownageness Guest | All Seph has to do is get Cloud out of the planet, and then destroy it...simple, easy, done...but Cloud still the ultimate victor as he defeats Seph with Omnislash all the time...
| | | 16 Jul 2008 08:19 pm |
Sephirot Guest | He didn’t have to use all of his powers to be serious.
He actually DID use warp speed once, so that fails.
So he was talking, your point? I guess Sephiroth was playing with Zack too because he smiled, I guess Loz and Yazoo were playing with Cloud too because they were smiling, oh wait that was just before they got owned.
He had to wear him out and beat his ass before he could do anything.
So he trying against Cloud, but he doesnt even move as fast as he can? That doesn’t make sense, if you “try” then you normally would move as fast as you can, so basically we see Sephiroth, not using any of his powers, not using his speed, not killing him when he can, he basically gives the impression that hes just messing around.
You need to watch that film again dude, when he smacks Cloud, do you even look at the distance at which Cloud flies into the building? So how could he somersault over 100 metres? lmao if you slow mo it you will see he warp speeds, if you watch it in real time you will see there is no Sephiroth inbetween the somersault.
You can’t even say thats warp speed, you cant even see clearly because of the angle and the floor of the building in the way, most likely he came in just as fast as he knocked Cloud into the building, which is still visually see’able, and not even Loz speed.
Because he was using FULL power. Just stop denying he was using full power attacks.
It said thats where all his power gathered, it could be all the power that he was currently dishing out into that point, theres a quote that says “Cloud flies towards Bahamut” in the Reunion Files as well, if we take that literally does that mean Cloud can fly?
Should
Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve, but didn’t, so its not fatal.
For fun? I love this. Did he not stab him in the chest after he beat him? It’s not a vital point, it’s just the fact that Cloud’s heart is in his chest, lets not forget how important that is for a human.
Lets not forget that he could’ve stabbed him in the heart, but did he? No. Why? Most likely because he wouldn’t beable to talk to him anymore because Cloud would be dead instantly after being stabbed in the heart. And please don’t say Sephiroth accidently missed, he was a famous first class soldier, with tons of experience.
No it isn’t. Humans can freaking video lightning. Lightning does not travel at the speed of light, what the hell are you talking about dude, it’s NOWHEERE NEAR the speed of light, it travels in miliseconds NOT nano seconds. It’s got nothing to do with Cloud’s speeds, it’s his REFLEXES. Nope how are YOU supposed to know what attack it was if YOU don’t see it?
Got the info off a stupid website, lightning travels at 60,000 m/s, which is infact instant, and no Cloud cannot dodge lightning, he can parry bullets for a short time, which is 305 m/s, but actually dive out of the way from a lightning bolt coming at him at 60,000 m/s? No. Whatever Kadaj shot at him was definately not as fast as a lightning bolt.
Again I’m not talking about travelling speed, I’m talking about Cloud’s REFLEXES, he doesn’t have to be as fast as Chaos to react to him, and lol Cloud hasnt got powerful attacks? That’s why he busted something that’s stronger than the planet?
He needs to be fast to beable to dodge, did you see how fast Weiss stabbed Chaos in that fight video? I cannot see Cloud dodging something of that speed. Of course if Cloud hits Chaos with Omnislash the PIS move would kill anything, but it only hit Sephiroth because he was jogging at Cloud with a big smile on his face not thinking, and it caught him off guard.
Hojo interveined the first time, so yes I can say so.
He gets stabbed in the chest, you know your heart is there, that’s pretty self explanetory.
Did he stab him in the heart? No, could he have? Yes.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23 Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 1,738 OFFLINE | So he trying against Cloud, but he doesnt even move as fast as he can? That doesn’t make sense, if you “try” then you normally would move as fast as you can, so basically we see Sephiroth, not using any of his powers, not using his speed, not killing him when he can, he basically gives the impression that hes just messing around.
Yeah he only warp speeded behind Cloud, sure he didn’t use any speed at all.
You can’t even say thats warp speed, you cant even see clearly because of the angle and the floor of the building in the way, most likely he came in just as fast as he knocked Cloud into the building, which is still visually see’able, and not even Loz speed.
You really need to watch your DVD in slow motion then dude.
It said thats where all his power gathered, it could be all the power that he was currently dishing out into that point, theres a quote that says “Cloud flies towards Bahamut” in the Reunion Files as well, if we take that literally does that mean Cloud can fly?
It’s a shame Cloud did the same thing as Sephiroth, that is setting a building on fire by cutting it, so their exchange of blows were at full power.
Cloud was flying, but not under his own power, because he can’t fly. Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve, but didn’t, so its not fatal.
Because he pissed him off and did the unthinkable.
Lets not forget that he could’ve stabbed him in the heart, but did he? No. Why? Most likely because he wouldn’t beable to talk to him anymore because Cloud would be dead instantly after being stabbed in the heart. And please don’t say Sephiroth accidently missed, he was a famous first class soldier, with tons of experience.
We don’t actually know if the blade hit him in the heart, but we do know he got stabbed in the chest, where the heart is, where did I say anything about Sephiroth missing? Are you assuming that I said that? And actually a stab to the heart does not necessarily kill you straight away, and again you know if it was his heart, that is proof enough that Cloud SHOULD have died.
Got the info off a stupid website, lightning travels at 60,000 m/s, which is infact instant, and no Cloud cannot dodge lightning, he can parry bullets for a short time, which is 305 m/s, but actually dive out of the way from a lightning bolt coming at him at 60,000 m/s? No. Whatever Kadaj shot at him was definately not as fast as a lightning bolt.
Yeah that’s metre per second, not miles per second. No it is not, lightning is NOT instant, if that were the case, there would be no measureable time delay. Actually bullets can go 2000 metres per second. You have to prove it’s not lightning dude, we know what spells there are in VII world, you are gonna have to come up with something better than that. And just because we as in the viewers see the attack, that does not mean it’s in real time, for instance we see Yazoo’s bullets shot in the Forgotten Capital, we see Omnislash, but SE have STATED that it’s in the blink of an eye.
He needs to be fast to beable to dodge, did you see how fast Weiss stabbed Chaos in that fight video? I cannot see Cloud dodging something of that speed. Of course if Cloud hits Chaos with Omnislash the PIS move would kill anything, but it only hit Sephiroth because he was jogging at Cloud with a big smile on his face not thinking, and it caught him off guard.
You are getting reflexes confused with travelling speed again. Yes I saw what Weiss did, but I also saw Cloud dodge a point blanker, lighting, and Sephiroth from behind. Yeah and if Cloud readies Omnislash it’s all over for anyone, dude I’m sure you’ve read how fast it is so Chaos is pwned. Yeah Sephiroth was off guard because of his arrogance, but he still would not have been able to avoid the attack.
Did he stab him in the heart? No, could he have? Yes.
It is more likely that it hit him in the heart than it didn’t, I have proof because it was his chest, his heart is in his chest, now you have to prove that it wasn’t his heart other than say so. And I didn’t actually say it hit his heart, I said his heart is there.
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 | | | 20 Aug 2008 01:39 pm |
Domon Kenshin Guest | No but Sephiroth has had 3 years in mako and J cells but Cloud had 4 years and whole J cells also they say that in FF7CC Zack beat angeal and genesis they sparred with sephiroth so Zack is Superior to Sephiroth
But in AC Cloud beat Sephiroth but only because of the omni slash i say no doubt that sephiroth would win if it wasn’t for clouds omnislash take into consideration that Cloud had like 6 swords and sephiroth had 1 only
| | | 17 Sep 2008 01:50 pm |
Genesis Rhapsados Guest | Many of you are saying that Cloud wasn’t trained with a sword but a key point is Zack was and Cloud had a memory sync. with him due to the mako poisoning he received towards the end of CC. He was also infused with J-cells at this point boosting his strength perhaps beyond that of a normal SOLDIER operative. In terms of willpower it can’t be neglected that Cloud did manage to succumb Sephiroth’s control showing considerable mental strength as well as the fact he managed to survive being thrown into the lifestream/mako spring and recover. Yes Sephiroth is incredibly powerful but Cloud is himself relatively powerful and skilled as well as he has proven on several occaisions. He should not be noted as significantly weaker as Sephiroth as he clearly isn’t, and in AC, yeah Sephiroth doesn’t look like he’s trying or getting tired is because of his elegant and swift fighting style as well as having a lifetime of SOLDIER training. Cloud however is able to beat him because of his determination for his goal, to protect the ones he loves and for the memory of Zack and Aeris.
| | | 17 Sep 2008 02:14 pm |
Genesis Rhapsados Guest | Oh yea and those who say that chaos sent a worldwide quake, for one thing we don’t understand the tectonics of their world, and for the records it was an energy ripple caused by Chaos' true awakening due to his bond to the lifestream which courses throughout that world, what with him being born from it, and it is just to show this single wave from him but in that sense he hasn’t the power to sustain enegy attacks like the WEAPONs which are the closest thing to compare him to as they are the only other entities born of the lifestream in this manner so his power resides elsewhere.
| | | 17 Sep 2008 06:08 pm |
The Crystal - Not Logged Guest | Morrigan(merged with Lilith) > Jedah > Morrigan > Demitri(merged with Pyron) > Pyron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFVII’s planet.
Each one of them can solo the other team.
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