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16 Jan 2008 10:22 pm
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Red_Calibur9 wrote: Matt, um... you’re mad at Christians, but is throwing out all these stereotypes making you look better? And may I introduce Gplex... yes, he’s an athiest, no he’s not nice about it.

Uhh....


Just throwing this out here....


I am also mad at christians, since my parents seem to think atheism means devil worship....

Yes I know not all christians are like that.....

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There people go again assuming I’m talking about EVERY Christian. I hold nothing personal against you unless you’ve tried to force-feed your beliefs on me or our country.

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ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.

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Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...

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16 Jan 2008 10:24 pm
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ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.

Uhh, prayer didnt belong in school and the ten commandments didnt belong in the courtrooms in the first place....

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16 Jan 2008 10:24 pm
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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...


If there a definition of a “Religion must die” Atheist, Gplex fits the build pretty well.

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16 Jan 2008 10:25 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...


If there a definition of a “Religion must die” Atheist, Gplex fits the build pretty well.

Well, I wouldnt exactly say Im a big fan of religion, since it seems to be an incredibly potent form of mind control used since the beginning of time....

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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.

Uhh, prayer didnt belong in school and the ten commandments didnt belong in the courtrooms in the first place....


It’s a student’s right to be able to pray in school if he wishes and it’s a judge’s right to have the 10 commandments on his courtroom walls if he wishes. Restricting those two things, is not only taking away our freedom which is guaranteed freedom, but it’s also immoral.

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16 Jan 2008 10:26 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...


If there a definition of a “Religion must die” Atheist, Gplex fits the build pretty well.

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ramunematt wrote: There people go again assuming I’m talking about EVERY Christian. I hold nothing personal against you unless you’ve tried to force-feed your beliefs on me or our country.

Ok, it just sounded like you were doin' that.

But, no hard feelings?

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16 Jan 2008 10:27 pm
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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...


If there a definition of a “Religion must die” Atheist, Gplex fits the build pretty well.

Well, I wouldnt exactly say Im a big fan of religion, since it seems to be an incredibly potent form of mind control used since the beginning of time....


I’ve lost all faith in my religion, but I still don’t like to see people blaming world problems on it.

The final draw is this..

Religion doesn’t cause war and it doesn’t cause evil.

People cause war and evil and fly the religious flag to justify it.

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16 Jan 2008 10:27 pm
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ramunematt wrote: There people go again assuming I’m talking about EVERY Christian. I hold nothing personal against you unless you’ve tried to force-feed your beliefs on me or our country.


by force feed do u mean preching/converting?

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16 Jan 2008 10:27 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.


The 10 commandments being in the Supreme Court is unconstitutional. Prayer in schools is unconstitutional. Under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional. It is all unconstitutional. I’m sorry if you think I’m a radical by trying to uphold our Constitution and what our country was founded on, but it was radicalism that put god in the Supreme Court, schools, and our pledge of allegiance in the first place.

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16 Jan 2008 10:27 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.

Uhh, prayer didnt belong in school and the ten commandments didnt belong in the courtrooms in the first place....


It’s a student’s right to be able to pray in school if he wishes and it’s a judge’s right to have the 10 commandments on his courtroom walls if he wishes. Restricting those two things, is not only taking away our freedom which is guaranteed freedom, but it’s also immoral.

Schools and courtrooms are state-run. The first ammendment says there is to be a separation of church and state. Thus, putting religous symbols, or praying in a state run organization is unconstituitional.

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16 Jan 2008 10:28 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote: 1. Boo hoo, its 2 words, get over it.
2. I will admit to being bitter towards religion, but hey, 10 years of being force fed what you know is bullshit kinda does that.
3. Funny third thing
4. Im more anti douche ass than anti religion.

Anti-Gplex?

Well, I havent talked to him, so I dunno...


If there a definition of a “Religion must die” Atheist, Gplex fits the build pretty well.

Well, I wouldnt exactly say Im a big fan of religion, since it seems to be an incredibly potent form of mind control used since the beginning of time....


I’ve lost all faith in my religion, but I still don’t like to see people blaming world problems on it.

The final draw is this..

Religion doesn’t cause war and it doesn’t cause evil.

People cause war and evil and fly the religious flag to justify it.

Agreed.

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16 Jan 2008 10:30 pm
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Cid Highwind wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
ramunematt wrote: You know why your argument can’t hold ground? Because there is a HUG difference between criticizing religion and being radical about it. Debating religion on some online forum is NOT radical. Even if I decide to bash religion, it’s not radicalism. The only reason you consider it radical is because your religion revolves around the center of your life. It’s expected that you would get defensive or upset when I criticize theism but don’t get so defensive as to call me a radical. If you see no difference between me and radical Christians then your obviously blind. If you want a more in depth description of what I’m trying to say just go to this link

And it is a HUGE deal that the words under god are in the pledge of allegiance. Why? Because not only is it unconstitutional, but it’s promoting religion in a secular country. Do you know how those words got into the pledge of allegiance? Radicals. That’s right. The very same radicals that you were just talking about and are against are the same ones that got under God put in the pledge of allegiance. To make it even worse, you suggest to “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”. Hmm..... you hate radicals, yet you agree with what they did. Interesting. Now let me ask you something. Why did you say “dont force them to not say under god just because you dont believe in god”? Do you realize it’s a two way streak? But anyway, I’m not forcing them to not say it just because I believe in god, I want the words under God taken out of the official pledge of allegiance. Like I said, having under God in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.


Radicalism got the 10 commandments taken out of the supreme court. Radicalism got prayer taken out of schools. Radicalism will be what gets “under God” taken out of the pledge. If you agree that it should be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and you’d fight to have it done. You’re a radical.

Uhh, prayer didnt belong in school and the ten commandments didnt belong in the courtrooms in the first place....


It’s a student’s right to be able to pray in school if he wishes and it’s a judge’s right to have the 10 commandments on his courtroom walls if he wishes. Restricting those two things, is not only taking away our freedom which is guaranteed freedom, but it’s also immoral.


Actually, you don’t have those rights because it goes against separation of church and state.

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ramunematt wrote: There people go again assuming I’m talking about EVERY Christian. I hold nothing personal against you unless you’ve tried to force-feed your beliefs on me or our country.


by force feed do u mean preching/converting?

Preaching, converting (especially at 8:00 in the morning), subversion of science in favor of religion and trying to change out Constitution. Oh, and lets not forget the years of attempted mind control and brainwashing.

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ramunematt wrote: Actually, you don’t have those rights because it goes against separation of church and state.


America’s founding principal is freedom. If the constitution steps on that right, then it contradicts what Americans have as a right.

The Courtroom and Schools may be public ran places, but that doesn’t get the government the right to take away the freedom that we’re guaranteed by our constitution.

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