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22 Jan 2008 12:20 pm
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Sean of the Living wrote:
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Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.

Be careful, your starting to pull facts and beliefs together.


you should be careful because i was DIFFERENTIATING the 2. that is the opposite of what you said i was doing. wink

Ah but most people who are athiest are base their belief off facts, where most religious people base their beliefs on fairy tales... quite a big diffrence.

are you a christian?


He’s an asshole.

Seriously, until Atheist people stop calling our beliefs “fairy tales” then there’s never going to be peace.

In the meantime, Theists see smart design as evidence of a smart designer, whereas Atheists make up a science fiction story and call it evolution.


yet you have no evidence that everything around you is designed wink

You know what evolution has that you don’t? Evidence.

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22 Jan 2008 12:22 pm
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seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting

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22 Jan 2008 12:28 pm
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.
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LOL... Even Scientist Materialist said that The Big Bang is false which we know now is true... The Big Bang is true and which mean there is a GOD...

LOL

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LOL, I see your picking and choosing which scientists to listen to and which to ignore.

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22 Jan 2008 07:36 pm
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We have tons of other physical evidence, but when we present it you just ignore it.

What about the Bible stating the Earth is round and hangs upon nothing?(Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:7)

The Quran saying all life is made of water?(21:30,24:45, 25:54)

The planets beginning as hot gas in the Quran?(41:11)

The Quran saying the sun and moon float in an orbit?(36:40)

The Quran saying the universe is being expanded?(51:47)

The Bible prediction of the conquer of Babylon had many small details. It foretold the leader would be named “Cyrus”, the waters of the Euphrates would “dry up” and that the city gates “would not be shut”?(Isaiah 44:27 - 45:3)

Or that Babylon would be conquered once and never agin be inhabited?(Isaiah 13:19, 13:20)

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Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

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ramunematt wrote:
seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting


how can it selfcorrect without being wrong?

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Angelina you’re HAAaaAWWWTtt !
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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
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Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.

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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
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seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting


how can it selfcorrect without being wrong?

Science can be wrong if they dont have enough data, eg, we can say the sun goes around the planet, its obvious isnt it.. why wouldnt it go around the planet, But science just doesnt makes stuff up without basing it on evidence... look at the bottom of my post.

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seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting


how can it selfcorrect without being wrong?

Science can be wrong if they dont have enough data, eg, we can say the sun goes around the planet, its obvious isnt it.. why wouldnt it go around the planet, But science just doesnt makes stuff up without basing it on evidence... look at the bottom of my post.


you just admitted that none of it is fact because any and all of it can be lacking in data.

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Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
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Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.


now your just ran out of arguments. you cant win and they cant win because neither of you have any evidence that proves whether or not god exists. your relying on something just like the religious people are except your on opposite sides. why be so hateful? thats all you seem to be.

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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting


how can it selfcorrect without being wrong?

Science can be wrong if they dont have enough data, eg, we can say the sun goes around the planet, its obvious isnt it.. why wouldnt it go around the planet, But science just doesnt makes stuff up without basing it on evidence... look at the bottom of my post.


you just admitted that none of it is fact because any and all of it can be lacking in data.

This is true, but when we have hundreds and hundreds of data such as dna, fossils, current testing on bacteria, and the age of the universe and earth.. they all point to the exact same thing, this is when a theory is generaly accepted.

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Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
seed wrote: science can be wrong just like they said they found crist bone but that is not true.


Science isn’t wrong, it’s self-correcting


how can it selfcorrect without being wrong?

Science can be wrong if they dont have enough data, eg, we can say the sun goes around the planet, its obvious isnt it.. why wouldnt it go around the planet, But science just doesnt makes stuff up without basing it on evidence... look at the bottom of my post.


you just admitted that none of it is fact because any and all of it can be lacking in data.

This is true, but when we have hundreds and hundreds of data such as dna, fossils, current testing on bacteria, and the age of the universe and earth.. they all point to the exact same thing, this is when a theory is generaly accepted.


so christians accept that god created fossils and evolution? none of it contradicts the belief in god. you just want it to because you more than likely cant stand their beliefs so you attack it.
whats your point? god doesnt exist? you havent proven that yet and never will. same with christians, they cant prove god exists and never will. your not going anywhere with your arguments.

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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.


now your just ran out of arguments. you cant win and they cant win because neither of you have any evidence that proves whether or not god exists. your relying on something just like the religious people are except your on opposite sides. why be so hateful? thats all you seem to be.

Well all the evidence they have has been debunk, so wouldnt that tell you something about their god? but hey, why not put the burden on proof on other people to disprove santa, zeus, and the tooth fairy as well.

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Sean of the Living wrote:
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Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.

Be careful, your starting to pull facts and beliefs together.


you should be careful because i was DIFFERENTIATING the 2. that is the opposite of what you said i was doing. wink

Ah but most people who are athiest are base their belief off facts, where most religious people base their beliefs on fairy tales... quite a big diffrence.

are you a christian?


He’s an asshole.

Seriously, until Atheist people stop calling our beliefs “fairy tales” then there’s never going to be peace.

In the meantime, Theists see smart design as evidence of a smart designer, whereas Atheists make up a science fiction story and call it evolution.

Cool design.. maybe your right...


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Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.


now your just ran out of arguments. you cant win and they cant win because neither of you have any evidence that proves whether or not god exists. your relying on something just like the religious people are except your on opposite sides. why be so hateful? thats all you seem to be.

Well all the evidence they have has been debunk, so wouldnt that tell you something about their god? but hey, why not put the burden on proof on other people to disprove santa, zeus, and the tooth fairy as well.


that hasnt 'debunked' anything seeing how a christian can believe in god and still believe in science, evolution, etc without a problem. alot of scientist even came up with a theory that cells and whatever are too complex for them to poof into existance out of nowhere and they have evidence from cells themselves and it doesnt even have to conflict with evolution. they just 'debunked' your belief that god does not exist.
if you want to prove god does not exist the burden of proof is on you, which you have none. if they want to prove god exists the burden of proof is on them, which they have none.
dont play games and throw the burden of proof around because you cant prove it. if you can prove it then prove it. obviously you cant and niether can they.
santa, the tooth fairy, etc. the burden of proof is on anybody that wants to prove or disprove they exist. wanting to put the burden on one side shows you cant prove or disprove anything.

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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.


now your just ran out of arguments. you cant win and they cant win because neither of you have any evidence that proves whether or not god exists. your relying on something just like the religious people are except your on opposite sides. why be so hateful? thats all you seem to be.

Well all the evidence they have has been debunk, so wouldnt that tell you something about their god? but hey, why not put the burden on proof on other people to disprove santa, zeus, and the tooth fairy as well.


that hasnt 'debunked' anything seeing how a christian can believe in god and still believe in science, evolution, etc without a problem. alot of scientist even came up with a theory that cells and whatever are too complex for them to poof into existance out of nowhere and they have evidence from cells themselves and it doesnt even have to conflict with evolution. they just 'debunked' your belief that god does not exist.
if you want to prove god does not exist the burden of proof is on you, which you have none. if they want to prove god exists the burden of proof is on them, which they have none.
dont play games and throw the burden of proof around because you cant prove it. if you can prove it then prove it. obviously you cant and niether can they.

Alright then lets look at gensis debunking the bible will debunk the god that is link to it.
Genesis Chapter 1
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Ok.. So first off I’ve already a problem with this. God somehow created the entire universe with the appearance that it all came from a huge explosion 14+ billion years ago. Then he put our planet where it is with all the appearance of age and then chuck in dinosaur fossils in that appear to be over 65 million years old. Now come on, this is about the equivalent of 2 people in the middle of a football stadium full of people who are all looking away. One person has a gun and shoots the other in the head, everyone turns around to see the other person falling, blood splatter on the person who shot the gun, gsr on his hands, smoke comming from the barrel with the barrel still pointing at the other guys head, and then turning to everyone in the stadium and saying he was framed!

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This makes no sense at all.. no form... but he just created the earth that has no form.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
God then in all his glory and wisdom some how put all the galaxy so far away that it would have taken millions and even billions of years, for the light that we see today to even reach us. What is amazing about this feat is that somhow there was no light comming off all those stars and even our own sun after he created them! God then said “let there be light”. In that moment all the light in the universe was put into place so that we could see everything in our universe. Strange how this is left out of the bible.

Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Then we are told that god then created the night and day cycle after he created and put everything in place.... But it is the earths orbit that dictates our day and night cycle. Didn’t God already create our solorsystem and the rest of the universe before he said “let there be light”?

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So air is heaven? And night is the second day? Wow the world has really change in 6000 years.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here.

Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Did someone forget about the lakes and rivers?

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
How did the universe know what god ment when he said fruit and grass?? come on explain a little more.. was it instant was it 10 million years?

Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Is it me but between the evening and morning is night right?

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Again didn’t god just created this cycle of our planet going around the sun when he created the universe? Is it me or who ever wrote this storie doesn’t know much about our universe?

Genesis 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Didn’t we just go pass this already with gods “Let there be light”?

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
We know that only one great light brightens the day and night. So wrong again.

Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
So now god is saying that heaven or air gives off light? I though it was all those fusing balls of mostly hydrogen gases.. hey but what do we know.. some primitive men 2000+ years ago must know much more about this then us right?

Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Night.. its night get it right!

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
God then creates a bunch of fossils that show a wolf like creature evolving into a whale and hides them for our generation to find.

Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Seriously, whats up with them calling night day?

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The bible just describe evolution! In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. Wow this would almost get me convert if it wasnt for the first 23 mistakes...

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Not sure who hes talking to, maybe the talking snake that everyone hates so much.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Wow that was nice of god.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Everything is good, viruses, flesh eating bacteria, the random asteroid that cause mass extension. All good, nothing bad here.

Yes I aleady wrote this out a few weeks ago, was going to make a video on youtube about it, but anyone who reads the bible can see how stupid it really is.

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Gplex, do you want peace or not?

Religion kills people.
Well, so does Atheism.

May I remind you of Communism? An Atheistic society that killed 100,000,000 people?

Whoops, oh I forgot you’re an Atheist just like them. I guess you’re a Communist then too, better sentence you to life in jail for killing all those innocent people.

^ See how ridiculous it is to blame a whole belief system on the actions of the bad people in that belief system? Look in your own backyard before making hypocritical arguments, asshole.

And stop complaining about how “bad” the world is. Seriously, since you’re actually posting online with this highly advanced technology, I can assume you’re one of the lucky ones. So shut your hole and stop bitching about how bad you think the world is.

* Nuclear war? Well God didn’t invent A-Bombs did he? We did. Why should he have to step in and stop us? We should control ourselves.

* Flesh eating bacteria and viruses are an essential part of nature! Can you imagine what it would be like if dead bodies didn’t decompose or animals couldn’t digest their food? It’d screw up the entire planet!

* Asteroids? Well the debris has to go somewhere. Do you want to suggest God shouldn’t have made gravity now?

Besides, if Christianity, Islam et cetera are real, why are you trying to make us look bad because of all these people dying? If good people go to heaven it doesn’t matter anyway.

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Gplex wrote:
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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
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Angelina_Jolie wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Angelina_Jolie wrote: dont mistake your own beliefs for fact. its a sign of ignorance. atheism is not a fact and religion is not a fact. theyre beliefs.


No, but proven facts such as fossils showing the Earth is older than 6,000 years and that there is no scientific evidence that would suggest a god exists contradicts people’s beliefs. I don’t give a shit what people believe. They can believe whatever they want but just because they believe it doesn’t mean it’s true. Belief becomes delusion when proven false.


there is no scientific evidence that suggests a god doesnt exist. the whole argument just goes back and forth between atheists and religious people. and the earth being older than 6,000 years only says that the bible has some facts wrong but it has nothing to do with god. none of that even proves whether or not a god exists. remember your last sentence. you sound on different than disillusioned people.

We dont rely on negitives, these no scientific evidence that most gods, and fairy tales exist.


now your just ran out of arguments. you cant win and they cant win because neither of you have any evidence that proves whether or not god exists. your relying on something just like the religious people are except your on opposite sides. why be so hateful? thats all you seem to be.

Well all the evidence they have has been debunk, so wouldnt that tell you something about their god? but hey, why not put the burden on proof on other people to disprove santa, zeus, and the tooth fairy as well.


that hasnt 'debunked' anything seeing how a christian can believe in god and still believe in science, evolution, etc without a problem. alot of scientist even came up with a theory that cells and whatever are too complex for them to poof into existance out of nowhere and they have evidence from cells themselves and it doesnt even have to conflict with evolution. they just 'debunked' your belief that god does not exist.
if you want to prove god does not exist the burden of proof is on you, which you have none. if they want to prove god exists the burden of proof is on them, which they have none.
dont play games and throw the burden of proof around because you cant prove it. if you can prove it then prove it. obviously you cant and niether can they.

Alright then lets look at gensis debunking the bible will debunk the god that is link to it.
Genesis Chapter 1
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Ok.. So first off I’ve already a problem with this. God somehow created the entire universe with the appearance that it all came from a huge explosion 14+ billion years ago. Then he put our planet where it is with all the appearance of age and then chuck in dinosaur fossils in that appear to be over 65 million years old. Now come on, this is about the equivalent of 2 people in the middle of a football stadium full of people who are all looking away. One person has a gun and shoots the other in the head, everyone turns around to see the other person falling, blood splatter on the person who shot the gun, gsr on his hands, smoke comming from the barrel with the barrel still pointing at the other guys head, and then turning to everyone in the stadium and saying he was framed!

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This makes no sense at all.. no form... but he just created the earth that has no form.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
God then in all his glory and wisdom some how put all the galaxy so far away that it would have taken millions and even billions of years, for the light that we see today to even reach us. What is amazing about this feat is that somhow there was no light comming off all those stars and even our own sun after he created them! God then said “let there be light”. In that moment all the light in the universe was put into place so that we could see everything in our universe. Strange how this is left out of the bible.

Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Then we are told that god then created the night and day cycle after he created and put everything in place.... But it is the earths orbit that dictates our day and night cycle. Didn’t God already create our solorsystem and the rest of the universe before he said “let there be light”?

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So air is heaven? And night is the second day? Wow the world has really change in 6000 years.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here.

Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Did someone forget about the lakes and rivers?

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
How did the universe know what god ment when he said fruit and grass?? come on explain a little more.. was it instant was it 10 million years?

Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Is it me but between the evening and morning is night right?

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Again didn’t god just created this cycle of our planet going around the sun when he created the universe? Is it me or who ever wrote this storie doesn’t know much about our universe?

Genesis 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Didn’t we just go pass this already with gods “Let there be light”?

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
We know that only one great light brightens the day and night. So wrong again.

Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Genesis 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
So now god is saying that heaven or air gives off light? I though it was all those fusing balls of mostly hydrogen gases.. hey but what do we know.. some primitive men 2000+ years ago must know much more about this then us right?

Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Night.. its night get it right!

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
God then creates a bunch of fossils that show a wolf like creature evolving into a whale and hides them for our generation to find.

Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Seriously, whats up with them calling night day?

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The bible just describe evolution! In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next. Wow this would almost get me convert if it wasnt for the first 23 mistakes...

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Not sure who hes talking to, maybe the talking snake that everyone hates so much.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Wow that was nice of god.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Everything is good, viruses, flesh eating bacteria, the random asteroid that cause mass extension. All good, nothing bad here.

Yes I aleady wrote this out a few weeks ago, was going to make a video on youtube about it, but anyone who reads the bible can see how stupid it really is.


that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.

and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.

for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.

you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.

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So Gplex, if God is so obviously not real, then howcome you haven’t been able to disprove the Bible’s prediction of Cyrus conquering Babylon yet?

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