Sean of the Living wrote:
So Gplex, if God is so obviously not real, then howcome you haven’t been able to disprove the Bible’s prediction of Cyrus conquering Babylon yet?
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.
and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.
for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.
you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.
So the god could be called zeus, or santa for all we know.... this disproves anything the christians say. If their is a god they no jack about him, and it has not left any evidence behind.
See the thing is who ever came up with the name “God” for the christian god, is a genius, because they know that you can not just say god does not exist!.. but I can say the christian god who created the universe in 6 days does not exist, why, just look at the evidence.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.
and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.
for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.
you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.
So the god could be called zeus, or santa for all we know.... this disproves anything the christians say. If their is a god they no jack about him, and it has not left any evidence behind.
See the thing is who ever came up with the name “God” for the christian god, is a genius, because they know that you can not just say god does not exist!.. but I can say the christian god who created the universe in 6 days does not exist, why, just look at the evidence.
lol what evidence? You mean all the evidence that proves he does exist?
Sean of the Living wrote:
So Gplex, if God is so obviously not real, then howcome you haven’t been able to disprove the Bible’s prediction of Cyrus conquering Babylon yet?
Oh wow, so someone went and saw babylong and notice they had about 100000 men, and that person went and saw cyrus and saw 1 million men and foretold that cryus would win... or their could have been a plage going through babylon... but hey what about all of these...
Jesus’ Predictions:
1) Jesus falsely prophesies DIRECTLY to the high priest (Caiphas) that he would live to see his second coming. Jesus uses the term “coming on the clouds of heaven”. This clearly negates the “coming” as the resurrection but as a return to the earth on CLOUDS, not his return in human form from the dead. Matthew 26:64 & Mark 14:62.
“But I tell you: From now on you will see 'the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming on the clouds of heaven.'" (Matthew 26:64 NA
Then Jesus answered, “I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 NA
2) Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. Matthew 23:36 & 24:34
Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NA
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. “Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:29-35 NA
3) YET AGAIN, Jesus claims those standing RIGHT BEFORE HIM shall see the Armageddon. Matthew 16:28 “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Don’t let Christians lie to you and claim Jesus was referring to his modern day believers. The words “some standing HERE will not taste death” clearly refutes such nonsense. Obviously the people he was speaking to died, and curiously Jesus STILL isn’t here to claim his kingdom.
4) Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners’ lifetimes.
Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NA
He also said to them, “Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come in power." (Mark 9:1 NA
5) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God.
“Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 NA
6) Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. (John 21:22)
7) Jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the sun, moon, wars, stars, etc.) will occur within the lifetime of his listeners. He purposely defines their generation and NOT a future one. Considering that NONE of those signs took place during the resurrection and that he uses the term of “Heaven and earth shall pass away”, Clearly Jesus is prophesizing that nearly 2,000 years ago Armageddon SHOULD have occurred. Luke 21:25-33
“There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on earth nations will be in dismay, perplexed by the roaring of the sea and the waves. People will die of fright in anticipation of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand." He taught them a lesson. “Consider the fig tree and all the other trees. When their buds burst open, you see for yourselves and know that summer is now near; in the same way, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Luke 21:25-33 NA
[Editor’s note: Matthew 10:23 also has Jesus telling his disciples that the second coming will occur before the disciples finish preaching in Israel: “When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23 NA]
John’s Predictions
8) John believes “the time is at hand,” and that the things that he writes about in Revelation will “shortly come to pass.” Revelations 1:1-3
9) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 22:7, 12 & 20
10) John thinks he is living in “the last times.” He “knows” this because he sees so many antichrists around. 1 John 2:18
11) John says that the antichrist was already present at the time 1 John was written. 1 John 4:3
12) John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 3:11, 22:7, 12 & 20
Paul’s Predictions
13) Paul thought that the end was near and that Jesus would return soon after he wrote these words. Philippians 4:5
14) Paul believes he is living in the “last days.” Hebrews 1:2
15) Paul believed that Jesus would come “in a little while, and will not tarry.” Hebrews 10:37
16) In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul stated: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Paul shared the delusion, taught by Jesus, in that he expected to be snatched up bodily into heaven with other saints then living, who would, thus, never taste death. The use of “we” clearly proves as much. It is difficult to deny that Paul was certain that the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his contemporaries.
Other Prophecies About Armageddon:
17) James thought that Jesus would return soon. James 5:8
18) Peter wrongly believed that he was living in the “last times” and that “the end of all things is at hand.” 1 Peter 1:20 & 4:7
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
lol what evidence? You mean all the evidence that proves he does exist?
Lets see evolution throws out that god made us, never mind that the dinosaurs where here far earlier then us, then we have the age of the universe, we have light comming off the stars that are 14 billion years old, we carbon date astroids that where form when our planet was form, and they came out to be 4.5 billion years old, the earth isnt flat, and “god” has never done a mirical while a camera was rolling... wtf up with that anyway...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
I see many metaphors, many of them obvious to any Christian. Is your atheist mind boggled by such simple metaphors?
Many or all? Because if its not all then it does not disprove my point.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
The ONE thing I’ve been trying to put through your head this WHOLE time is that PROVING THE UNIVERSE BEGAIN AFTER ONE SECT OF THEISM SAYS SO DOES NOT DISPROVE THE IDEA OF AN INTELLIGENT CREATOR!!!
Besides, where in the Bible does it state that the world was made EXACTLY 6000 years ago like you claim the Bible says it does.
Problem is, it doesn’t say it was made EXACTLY 6000 years ago and thus, by your own illogical standards for debating, you have created a STRAWMAN! Because you’ve stated many times the Bible says “6000 years ago” instead of 6000 years approximate!
^ This is how dumb most of your arguments sound, except with better grammar.
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Sean of the Living wrote:
You... are... a... moron...
The ONE thing I’ve been trying to put through your head this WHOLE time is that PROVING THE UNIVERSE BEGAIN AFTER ONE SECT OF THEISM SAYS SO DOES NOT DISPROVE THE IDEA OF AN INTELLIGENT CREATOR!!!
Besides, where in the Bible does it state that the world was made EXACTLY 6000 years ago like you claim the Bible says it does.
Problem is, it doesn’t say it was made EXACTLY 6000 years ago and thus, by your own illogical standards for debating, you have created a STRAWMAN! Because you’ve stated many times the Bible says “6000 years ago” instead of 6000 years approximate!
^ This is how dumb most of your arguments sound, except with better grammar.
lol you obviously dont know what strawman means, I didnt say it disprove a creator I said it disproves the chrisitian god. I never said the bible said 6000 years ago I said creatiionist do, and that sir is a strawman.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex, do you want peace or not?
Religion kills people.
Well, so does Atheism.
May I remind you of Communism? An Atheistic society that killed 100,000,000 people?
Whoops, oh I forgot you’re an Atheist just like them. I guess you’re a Communist then too, better sentence you to life in jail for killing all those innocent people.
^ See how ridiculous it is to blame a whole belief system on the actions of the bad people in that belief system? Look in your own backyard before making hypocritical arguments, asshole.
And stop complaining about how “bad” the world is. Seriously, since you’re actually posting online with this highly advanced technology, I can assume you’re one of the lucky ones. So shut your hole and stop bitching about how bad you think the world is.
* Nuclear war? Well God didn’t invent A-Bombs did he? We did. Why should he have to step in and stop us? We should control ourselves.
* Flesh eating bacteria and viruses are an essential part of nature! Can you imagine what it would be like if dead bodies didn’t decompose or animals couldn’t digest their food? It’d screw up the entire planet!
* Asteroids? Well the debris has to go somewhere. Do you want to suggest God shouldn’t have made gravity now?
Besides, if Christianity, Islam et cetera are real, why are you trying to make us look bad because of all these people dying? If good people go to heaven it doesn’t matter anyway.
Communism is not athiesm, its a combination of them, hey the nazism had a christian army, so maybe we can call them christians?
Just so you dont say something stupid like “no they are not” here are a few pics
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
What are you trying to say with all these southpark video/pics.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.
and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.
for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.
you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.
Aright first off the earth had a liquid rock surface, this is not water, water only existed in gas form at this time. Second you must be taking the same stance as this guy.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
I see many metaphors, many of them obvious to any Christian. Is your atheist mind boggled by such simple metaphors?
My atheist mind isn’t boggled by metaphors, it’s boggled by the fact that Christians choose to interpret certain passages as “metaphors” such as “the Earth is flat” to make it sound like you weren’t wrong and think it’s legit or justified. That my friend, is called manipulation and propaganda. Are you proud of the ability to manipulate words so they fit exactly how you want them to really say?
Oh and one more thing, stop asking me to prove a negitive, because god goes in the same catogory as zeus, santa, and the invisible untouchable unicorn that follows me around every day.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.
and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.
for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.
you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.
So the god could be called zeus, or santa for all we know.... this disproves anything the christians say. If their is a god they no jack about him, and it has not left any evidence behind.
See the thing is who ever came up with the name “God” for the christian god, is a genius, because they know that you can not just say god does not exist!.. but I can say the christian god who created the universe in 6 days does not exist, why, just look at the evidence.
you just proved that it is possible for god to exist. you are disgracing atheists everywhere.
Gplex wrote:
Oh and one more thing, stop asking me to prove a negitive, because god goes in the same catogory as zeus, santa, and the invisible untouchable unicorn that follows me around every day.
quit tellign me to prove a positive when i dont even believe in god.
get it through your thick skull I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD.
im just not stupid enough to try to disprove something i cant and act out of hate and spite.
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
I see many metaphors, many of them obvious to any Christian. Is your atheist mind boggled by such simple metaphors?
My atheist mind isn’t boggled by metaphors, it’s boggled by the fact that Christians choose to interpret certain passages as “metaphors” such as “the Earth is flat” to make it sound like you weren’t wrong and think it’s legit or justified. That my friend, is called manipulation and propaganda. Are you proud of the ability to manipulate words so they fit exactly how you want them to really say?
my atheist mind is boggled by the fact that you and gplex keep making us look bad with all your hate youre sprading.
Angelina_Jolie wrote:
that only shows that some may have their facts about god wrong. it just means that maybe our 'facts' on god may be wrong. that doesnt prove god does not exist.
And remember that MAN wrote that just as MAN created science.
how about this. your birth certificate does not exist or the date on it is wrong and your information is wrong. i can debunk all that by saying you werent born on that date and that information is wrong. does that prove you dont exist? no. are you waking up yet? you sound like a radical christian fundamentalist full of hatred with the only difference being that you arent christian.
what makes this really bad for you is that your trying to attack god against someone who doesnt believe in god. im an atheist and i know i cant prove or disprove the existance of god but i belive god does not exist.
you can go ahead and make a youtube video but your in for it when the smarter and wiser people that have already learned you cant prove or disprove god come out. just calm down and think rationally.
you should differentiate your BELIEFS from what is fact. you BELIEVE god does not exist. they believe he does. you cant prove anything. and what you posted has so many holes, assumptions, and is ill thought out that it definitely is not proof.
as i said before you are not getting anywhere with your argument.
and i advise you to reread what you claim to be debunking because after reading your comments its apparent you dont even understand what your arguing against.
for example here’s one: “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." and then you said
“I suppose rivers, lakes and inland seas don’t count here."
the water supposedly came before the land so the whole earth was covered in only water, which is one place relative to land and because there is no land it is one place.
land came after and since location is relative to land in the passage many places are made. that means lakes and rivers come in after land is raised up form the water that covered the entire earth.
im an ATHIEST and i know this, which is sad.
you do that alot. maybe all the time so you should stop the hate and be more respectful of others beliefs.
Aright first off the earth had a liquid rock surface, this is not water, water only existed in gas form at this time. Second you must be taking the same stance as this guy.
i didnt need to see a video of you so i dont know why you showed me that.
second, I’M AN ATHEIST so get it right.
liquid rock? rock is a solid. dont pull 'strawmans' on me.
how about this? the gas turned into water at some point and covered the entire earth in water and then land raised up or the ocean was lowered because clearly that is what happened unless your saying oceans and land do not exist today.
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex, do you want peace or not?
Religion kills people.
Well, so does Atheism.
May I remind you of Communism? An Atheistic society that killed 100,000,000 people?
Whoops, oh I forgot you’re an Atheist just like them. I guess you’re a Communist then too, better sentence you to life in jail for killing all those innocent people.
^ See how ridiculous it is to blame a whole belief system on the actions of the bad people in that belief system? Look in your own backyard before making hypocritical arguments, asshole.
And stop complaining about how “bad” the world is. Seriously, since you’re actually posting online with this highly advanced technology, I can assume you’re one of the lucky ones. So shut your hole and stop bitching about how bad you think the world is.
* Nuclear war? Well God didn’t invent A-Bombs did he? We did. Why should he have to step in and stop us? We should control ourselves.
* Flesh eating bacteria and viruses are an essential part of nature! Can you imagine what it would be like if dead bodies didn’t decompose or animals couldn’t digest their food? It’d screw up the entire planet!
* Asteroids? Well the debris has to go somewhere. Do you want to suggest God shouldn’t have made gravity now?
Besides, if Christianity, Islam et cetera are real, why are you trying to make us look bad because of all these people dying? If good people go to heaven it doesn’t matter anyway.
Communism is not athiesm, its a combination of them, hey the nazism had a christian army, so maybe we can call them christians?
Just so you dont say something stupid like “no they are not” here are a few pics
Ummm... Nazi Germany was actually atheist and Hitler was an atheist that gave up and turned against Catholicism. And those things arent even taken religiously in christianity, especially the swastika. The swastika was a symbol of peace from Asia. All those if they even had any religious meaning lost all religious meaning when taken by the Nazis, which were atheist and led by atheist Hitler.
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