Disturbing Wii Third Party Sales Trend- IGN's Matt C Writes....

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wow...talk about no lives whatsoever...

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you got it buddy...

first, i’ve been gaming longer than you’ve been alive. i’ve personally been across the country, lived on the west coast, east coast, and right in the middle of of the US. i’ve been gaming with different kinds of people across the country probably more than anyone here, thanks to being in the military. I’m a REAL gamer by experience.

You, sir, are lost in the meaning of where your faith is. well, not so much as to where your faith is, but more as why your faith is there. From wut i’ve seen, you’re all about the sales in a product. you back most of your claims with sales this and sales that... here are some facts for you...

The PS3 has a total of 33 games on it that have an 80% or better ratings average from more than 10 different reviews.

The XBOX 360 has a whopping 76 titles with an 80% and above ratings average.

The Wii, however, has 13.

personally, i prefer quality over quantity any day. of course, you think quality is opinion based, but let’s not get into that again. The Wii may be selling a butt load of units, and it’s certainly a success to Nintendo, but at wut cost? sure, you have their first party exclusives, and i love 'em, but not even Nintendo’s big hitters can dominate the whole playing field. it’s just too few and far-between.

in my opinion, there are three major factors in today’s consoles; online, HD, and multimedia. of course games would be in there, but i just omitted the obvious. Online is such a huge thing nowadays, and the best experience would have to go to LIVE for the 360. For the HD experience, i would go for the PS3 because of the currently winning-by-a-landslide BD format. and for multimedia, i’d go for the PS3 again. it’s pretty nifty taking HD pictures and then taking the memory card right out of the camera and straight into the PS3 and in a few seconds, you have a full slide show with music in the background and the PS3’s built-in face detection.

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Firstly your background gaming experience has nothing to do with this arguement. Determining if a game is good is solely up to opinion and nothing else. Meaning how long you gamed will never make your opinion more valid then someone who just picked one up today. Opinions are like asses. Everyone has them but no one ever wants to see them.

Secondly I don’t see what quality has to do with the topic arguement. We are discussing sales. If you wish to join I expect that you would discuss the sales. If you don’t care about them then why are you even posting in this topic. Good question huh. ONe I can’t answer for you.

Do I care solely about the sales? Of course not. Look I have 33,000 posts. The majority of those not being about sales. I don’t see your point. Nor would you comprehend mine. I speak my opinion all the time here, and I determind quality by gameplay experience, game design, and originality along with other minor things such as sound and replay value. Never due I ever say a game is good due to sales, although I would suggest that if a game is selling well its probably has a better chance of being good than one that isn’t. Opinions determine quality and sales determine success. I’ve said this way before you even started arguing these points and I’ve stuck to it. If you ever wish to comment on what you think I post then I suggest you at least know what I post.

Now seeing that we’ve gone over the flaws of how your arguement presented let’s actually cover what was said. You’ve shown us each console’s # of games that have gotten an 80% critical rating or higher according to gamerankings. Firstly let’s remember quality is determined by opinion, meaning these are all subjective. Personally I think Bioshock was one of the worst piece of crap ever released and should have gotten zeros from every reviewer. Why does it differ? I also think Resistance Fall of Man was terrible. Why does it differ? I also think Super Paper Mario was overrated. Why does it not differ? Difference of opinions makes quality subjective and ambiguous meaning I really don’t see your point.

Now seeing that my thoughts on that part is done let’s cover them. 360 has 70+ which is expected. It has been out longer, gained huge 3rd party support because it was their only option, and has had huge development resources put in it. No complaints there. It fits what it should be at, although I majorly disagree with a few titles that are in that 70+.

PS3 has 28 not 33. Data copying is imperative to supporting your arguement. Do it correctly. Of those 28, 20 are also on the 360, with 6 of those coming after the 360’s released. Of the 8 exclusives that are there, 1 of them is also on the PC. This means that PS3 only has 7 exclusives that are of 80% or higher. Otherwise all its “good” games can also be bought on the 360 or PC, with most of them having better ratings on the 360 or PC.

Wii has 11 games at 80% or more, not 13. Once again its not hard to actually look up the data. Of those 11, 8 are Wii exclusive.

What is to deduce from this? One Wii in the same time period of PS3 has had more better rated exclusives and this trend will most likely continue seeing that Wii has more exclusives than PS3 at an almost 3:1 ratio. Secondly, most of PS3’s rated games can also be found on the 360, which means that most of 360’s good rated games can also be found on the PS3. Meaning that it strengthens their entire lineup as one, but doesn’t make a strong stand against diversifying themselves from the competition. Finally its evident that 3rd party games aren’t getting rated highly on Wii, especially ones that are multiplatform. Why is this? This topic explains it. 3rd parties are not putting the capable resources into designing a good Wii game. They either give them the shoddy half of a multiplatform game, or a cheap cash in title to try and score off the large userbase. Most of this is being done because the Wii took them by surprise, and weren’t able to get out huge development teams to work on them.

Looking at the facts its always easy to explain why. Now if in 2008, Wii continues to get this half ass work then this is a sign of worry, but most devs have announced more development time for Wii and a few big name 3rd party exclusives have come over such as Tales of Symphonia 2, Fatal Frame IV, Monster Hunter 3, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, Dragon Quest Swords, ect. As long as 3rd parties start treating Wii with some respect, they’ll not only sell more but they’ll get higher rated. Point taken.

Moving onto the last part of your arguement, you state that in your opinion that online, high definition, and multimedia are the most important things in console’s today. Although your entitled to your opinion I highly disagree. First of all on no console, has online connectivity reached more than 50% across the board. Not even Xlive. Wii is only at 40% which I believe is one of the highest. If online isn’t even a majority option even in the broadband day, then how is it a major factor. Down the road in the latter part of this generation we’ll break that 50%, but right now it can’t be too huge of a factor if majority isn’t using it.

HD, or high definition, isn’t evne the standard right now, and I don’t even think households with HD has broke the 30% mark. Not to mention its hard to phase something out so quaickly unless they get really cheap, otherwise poorer family or the lower middle class, the majority in most of the industrial world, will stick with the cheap SDTV’s for a bargain. Now like online, down the road this will be a bigger factor, but by then we’ll be talking about N6, Xbox 3, and PS4.

Finally multimedia. Multimedia is very vague so I can’t necessarily comment on it til you broaden it.

Now what do I think is the 3 most important things in a console. I’ll give you my opinion and then I’ll tell you sales wise what really matters. I think the most important thing in a console is first of all quantity and quality of games. It has to have good games I’ll buy and a huge selection to buy cheap games to tryout for fun. Secondly a console needs to have functionality to online gaming. Its huge for me as a gamer, as I have to make Xtrm cry of course. Thirdly, it has to have an easy to use interface with the option for more extensive features. I don’t want to have a starting screen that confuses me on what to do. That’s just making it more unaccessable. Finally it needs to have a good control setup. Let’s face it to play the games ya have to use the controller. If its not good then I won’t play it. I never did like Dualshock so I hardly ever played PS2. I just didnt' like it. Too many buttons and the bumpers at the top I hated. I loved the GC controller and I still think the Xbox S controller was the best dual analog controller to date. 360 controller is good, probably as good as the GC one. But if the control setup isn’t good then I won’t play it.

These are what I need from a console to be complete. I could care less about all the other worthless crap that I can probably do free or illegally on the PC. Consoles need to be consoles not wannabe PC’s. And that’s how it should always be. IMO of course.

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of course, you are entitled to your opinions, but there was definitely something wrong with your argument. quality, again, is not opinion based. and for the sake of the topic, i was hoping that from my last post, you would’ve gotten my feelings about how nintendo is selling to the “other” people. they’re not selling to the real gamers, but to those who wouldn’t normally pick-up a controller. less than 1% of the US really play videogames. So wut do you think Nintendo thought would be a good idea??? sell to those other 99%, but how? by marketing to those people you see in the commercials; the very young people, the families, the old folks, the bowlers, and to everyone else but the hardcore. it’s a good thing for nintendo, but a bad thing for us gamers...

and from the “stats” i’ve posted, i apologize for the inaccuracies (double data), but as far as you only counting the exclusives, why? why not add the multi platforms, and why didn’t you do that for the 360? games are in fact on both 360 and the PS3. n/e ways, people do care about the multi platform games when they only have one of the systems, so they do count.

i know you’re set in you 17 year old ways (joke), but gaming this long does have it’s perks over those who are just getting into games. we see trends come and go, genres being born and die, and experiencing phenomenons like when Street Fighter 2 was the biggest thing since sliced bread. As someone who’s owned almost every gaming console there ever was, i’m a much wiser gamer because of it. So, i would say that experience has a lot to do with the influence of sales.

let me just ask you one question... Of the majority who buy the Wii, wut kind of people are they? i think i can speak for most true gamers out there when i say that the 360 and the PS3 are the choice for us and not the Wii.

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ummm...Moo doesn’t read long posts

plz summarise what ur all saying

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basically, wut i’m saying is the majority of people who buy the Wii are the wrong people... kinda...

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Zucas, PS3 has yet to release it’s big/good exclusives(GT, Killzone, MGS? ect..) While the Wii is close to have had releasing all of it’s good exclusives with only SSB and Mariokart(which is not a big exclusive IMO) left.

Sony has had success with two brand new exclusives(Uncharted, Resistance), i think that’s more than the Wii can say, which is banking off it’s past year after year with the Zeldas, Mario and Metroid’s of the world.

How was that Ubisoft shooter(can’t remember the name) for the Wii? I’ll tell you know it was terrible

Last edited 18 Jan 2008 10:58 pm by Hiroshama Nakasaki Is Back

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It’s impossible to watch any TV show without some little brat whining to his mommy he wants the Wii. It should be embarasing for Nintendo fans(it is for me and i’m one)to admit they are even Nintendo fans anymore cause it has that kiddy, gimmicky image now.

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And i know Zucas knows and feels all of this in the same way cause i know he is a real gamer and is smart, this is why it pisses me off sometimes when he pulls the blanket over it all the time and stays way too dedicated to a company that was not dedicated to him.

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Yes, just like you are, I’m entitled to my opinions so I’ll go about boasting them once more. Quality is alwasy opinion based. This just not argueable. I mean you have no arguement to prove that and you know it so I suggest you let it die.

Moving forward, they aren’t selling to the real gamers. Alright define real gamers? You leave it very vague. What if I say that PS3 and 360 are selling to the wannabe PC bitches. I didn’t define it as well. I look like a jackass just like you do. Stop leaving things so broad, no one can forumlate a rebuttal to a bad arguement.

Of course Nintendo wanted to sell after the mainstream. Let’s face it the N64 and GC were pretty much for the Nintendo fanbase, which was apparently pretty damn big to sell even that much. Nintendo could have doen the exact same thing and made just another powerful console. But now they would have released 1 of 3 identical consoles and pretty much last to the market. Anyone with brains can figure where that would have put them.

You act as if Nintendo should do things til bankruptcy. Thus Nintendo took a different route, not only to make profits but to expand the market. I truly do believe they are trying to expand the market for good purposes, and Sony and MS are just lucky enough to be along for the ride. Did Nintendo “sell out”. Well I don’t think so. As long as I get my Mario, Zelda, and other Nintendo franchises why should I care what else they do. I mean many of you fanboys last generation said the only reason for buying a Nintenod console is for Nintenod games. Then why do you care so much about everything else. Nintenod has provided the best games of this generation whether you want to hear it or not.

Why am I only counting the exclusives? Because multiplatform games help the lineup out but ultimatley are only going to diversify the lineup not necessarily give people a reason to buy it. Though lots of quality rated exclusives are what people use to buy consoles. People want to buy big name games on a single console. This is common sense. why do you think when a game like Halo 3 comes out, sales increase that week. Plz tell me you know something about economics.

Why didn’t I do it for the 360? Cause it would have taken longer. No joke I was in no mood. But the real reason was that 360 has been out longer than that of the Wii and PS3 and its an unfair comparison that way. So I left it out.

Do people care about multiplatform gamers? Of course. But I’m pretty sure you’ve been generalizing to the hardcore gamers this entire time, so why switch to the casual gamers, who are the majority buyers of big name mulitplatform games. I don’t know what’s with ya. First ya have this superiority complex being a gamer for all your life, which by the way in the mainstream is nothing to brag about, but then you do care about the other people. Go figure.

Set in 17 yr old ways? Now I don’t quite understand what your getting at, although I mostly attribute personal shots either to desperation or a superiority complex, where you feel better about yourself and your arguement if you demean the other side. Yes this “17 yr old” also knows more about psychology than you could ever imagine.

And just getting into gaming. I’ve been “gaming” since I was 5, and no offense to you Mr. I am the biggest gamer in the world, but if you are so great then how are you having problems with simple debate about gaming. Come on I’m just a “17 yr old” stuck in my ways.

Who are the majority buyers of the Wii? I’m going to have to say the mainstream. Now I have a question for you. Who is the majority buyer for the PS2? PS1? SNES? NES? GB? GBA? DS? Plz inform me who bought these consoles that are supposedly the console for “us”.

By the way don’t include me in that us. If being a hardcore console gamer is selling out to this PC shit wave that has hit consoles then I don’t want any part of it. Being an old school gamer you should know where the heart of gaming is really at. 360 and PS3 are your PC wannabes. Wii may not be the ultimate hardcore gamer console, but it at least sticks to its roots. I think 360 and PS3 sold out the most. They sold out to the PC. I’m proud to support the last true home console.

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Wow you must be psychic cause ya know I’m reading back all my last 33,000 posts and saying man I must be pulling a fast one on all these slow retards, cause of course Hiroshama is right. I really don’t like the Wii and hate Nintendo with a passion for making it. I mean gosh these guys are jsut slow on catching on.[/sarcasm]

I mean tell me this post was a joke. I mean you were laughing when you wrote this. Otherwise I’m going to have to call you a nazi.

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why a nazi?

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I’m not saying you hate Nintendo, but i do feel deep down that you know the Wii is a piece of shit but won’t admit it because it makes Nintendo and you as a supporter look bad(even though it really doesn’t).

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Excellent points.

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Either believe this or die. Nazi mentality. Dictating people’s opinions and telling them what they should believe is definetly facism.

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Well apparently your not only assume wrong but you are wrong. congrats if you like being wrong.

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At least he knows how to make them. I respect someone who will step up instead of sit in the peanut gallery criticizing or agreeing.