I think stix is having an identity crisis. Maybe he thinks that HE is DITN...
sorry stix, but you seem to be the one who’s been changing his argument throughout the conversation.
DITN, whilst being an aggressive ass hat, has maintained much the same points as I have since the beginning of the argument: countries like China and Russia who call/called themselves communist, were not truly socioeconomic communist systems, but fascist dictatorships trying to fulfill the ideals of communism.
You seem to have interpreted that as DITN saying that the communist countries, are/were not communist.
What he meant was that they are not TRUE (marxist) communist, but a version (or perversion) of marxist communism.
Then everything went downhill from there...
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Stix86 wrote:my arguement was the ussr, china, veitnam and cuba were or are communist nations. never did i argue any differently.
No.
You argued that all variations on communism should be viewed under the same title.
stix96 wrote: communism is what it is. it was the ussr, it is china, cuba, vietnam. it was never ment to be peaceful.
See?
Every historian ever will tell you that you’re an utter pillock.
my god you’re such an idiot. I said they were communist. that’s all i said, but you’re incapable of admitting defeat, so you have to come up with a bunch more bs. i never once said all communism is all the same. you’re still a liar and a moron.
let me sum it up for you. i said they were communist, you said they weren’t. now you say they are. the funniest thing about all of this is i wouldn’t call vietnam or china communist, cause in more recent times they have turned a blind eye to private business. government control of all commerce is the last thread of communism in these to countries and it’s nearly gone.
what is your idea of an informed opinion? from what i’ve read you have to be told your opinion. one day you might grow up and develop your own views on different subjects. until then people like me will continue to make jokes about you and your trendy follow the leader views. I know communism has became the new anarchy for trend followers these days, and you have to pretend to understand it. it makes me laugh.(Didn’t you agree with me that you had not really thought this argument through? So you don’t really have an intimate understanding with modern history and politics then? You may be shocked to find that Wikipedia does NOT hold all the answers for your research)
i have to admit, it’s been fun pissing you off and watching you change your stance the last couple of days. the best part of this is that i smoked you in an argument that i didn’t really believe in. (If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have gotten defensive and continued to argue. Also, this is a losers tactic, simply saying you’ve won an argument when you clearly have not is give away sign that you losing the battle. Like using dictionary definitions, it’s a dead give away.)
for future reference, since you supposedly studied this for two years, you should try bringing up more facts. like, all communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communist. this is because socialism only requires that the state maintains dominant influence over the economy, communism requires full control over the economy. (More facts like…
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Communism, in it’s Marxist interpretation, is the perfect ideology. It’s not attractive to people for no reason; they weren’t people’s revolutions for no reason.
The regimes in Cuba, China, The USSR, North Vietnam and Korea are all interpretations of communism. Hence Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism. Communism was the name given to their brutal dictatorships; a cover to the respective parties own needs and desires, when they were far from it.
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telling me that they are not communist cause they are leninist, taoist, or stallinist is retarded cause they are all still communist.
better luck “trolling” next time kid. and i do mean kid.
as for the kid part, both of us have driving licences and passports stating that we are legally adults in most parts of the world, barring maybe a few states in america and northern Ireland.
not that online profiles are the be all and end all of identity varification, but check DITN’s profile and you’ll find that hes studying at university.
(colour coding of relevant texts for your convenience) everything in gray is what I’ve added in
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gunslang. the arguement is over. I was being a dick, that’s all. my last post wasn’t an arguement at all. it was me admitting that i was just being a dick. i know ditn is your buddy and you feel like you have to defend him, but you should fully read my previous post. my intention was to draw him into an arguement cause i thought he was being condesending to someone else.
if you want i can continue to argue something i don’t believe. it would go something like this.
stix86. it doesn’t matter if there is ilegal commerce going on in china and vietnam. every country has crime. the fact that it’s running rampant is only due to the failing communist system, and like i said before “a failing communist system is still comunist”. for another point, even marxist communism stated a revelution was needed and a period of ajustment was necissary, as in this definition of socialism (The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.) it clearly states that this is part of carl marx’s idea. no time frame was given to how long it should take. it’s still in transition, and still communist even by the marxist interpitation.
i have a freind who spent 13 years in a polish prison in the late 70’s early 80’s for putting out antigovernment propaganda. i know it’s not real communism.
if you want i can counter point the counter of my pevious statement. i can do this all day. yes it is silly, but i’m only on here to pass a little time.
and i only called your friend kid to be condecending. it ment nothing about his age or any thing else. sorry if it stung you a bit, but i find that a bit amusing too.
gunslang. using definitions and links are a much better way of proving a point than the “because i’m telling you” argument, witch is all i got from ditn. hence the phase “in front of you in black and white”. also having his freind jump on the band wagon doesn’t mean he won the arguement. especially since my arguement was that the countries were communist, and nothing more. it’s hard to lose that argument when the person i’m arguing with agrees with me.
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
yes, they’re communist. i said so many times.
but appearantly you don’t agree with your friend?
gunslang wrote:
China, Cuba, Russia.. its not REAL communism, they are fascist dictatorships under the guise of communism.
gunslang wrote:
countries like China and Russia who call/called themselves communist, were not truly socioeconomic communist systems, but fascist dictatorships trying to fulfill the ideals of communism.
and this is kinda funny too.
gunslang wrote:What he meant was that they are not TRUE (marxist) communist, but a version (or perversion) of marxist communism.
so now his arguement was right even though you had to go back and correct it. and he said they are communism. once again my argument was that they were communist, nothing more. and i don’t even believe they are communist!
i would say having to change what you ment to say, disagreeing with the person agreeing with you, and agreeing with the person you’re arguing with is a sure sign of loosing an argument. not using text book definitions, as you said
gunslang wrote:
it’s a dead give away.
i’m sure your friend appriciates you having back though.
oh, good one, you almost got me there... then I released that you took a single sentence out of its original context to prove a point.
lets try that again.
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
My point is, it’s not true, pure, unadulterated, untainted communism, as per Karl Marx.
Yes, they’re communist. I’ve said that many times.
But they are not truely communist.
They are perversions of communism.
gunslang wrote:
China, Cuba, Russia.. its not REAL communism, they are fascist dictatorships under the guise of communism.
gunslang wrote:
countries like China and Russia who call/called themselves communist, were not truly socioeconomic communist systems, but fascist dictatorships trying to fulfill the ideals of communism.
gunslang wrote:What he meant was that they are not TRUE (marxist) communist, but a version (or perversion) of marxist communism.
by the way, I have to say that this is one of the most sophisticated flame threads I’ve ever been in, haha.
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Gunslang wrote:
oh, good one, you almost got me there... then I released that you took a single sentence out of its original context to prove a point.
lets try that again.
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
My point is, it’s not true, pure, unadulterated, untainted communism, as per Karl Marx.
Yes, they’re communist. I’ve said that many times.
But they are not truely communist.
They are perversions of communism.
gunslang wrote:
China, Cuba, Russia.. its not REAL communism, they are fascist dictatorships under the guise of communism.
gunslang wrote:
countries like China and Russia who call/called themselves communist, were not truly socioeconomic communist systems, but fascist dictatorships trying to fulfill the ideals of communism.
gunslang wrote:What he meant was that they are not TRUE (marxist) communist, but a version (or perversion) of marxist communism.
by the way, I have to say that this is one of the most sophisticated flame threads I’ve ever been in, haha.
and my argument was that they were communist. i never said anything about them being anything else. you can put the whole argument up there. i said they were communist, he said they were communist. it’s in black and white. unless you can find where i said “it was pure marxist communism” you have no argument.
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Woah, I’ve never met someone so unoriginal as to use my own meme in return! Congratulations on reaching the status of epic fail. EFG approves.
i understaned you’re angry about getting schooled like this, by someone who didn’t even believe in his own argument no less!
but it’s even funnier that someone who jumped on the communism band wagon cause it’s currently the thing to do is calling me unoriginal. silly boy in a mans body i already said. you’ll learn to develope your own opinions one day, hopefully.
Stix86 wrote:
communism is what it is. it was the ussr, it is china, cuba, vietnam. it was never ment to be peaceful. let’s stop making excuses for everything. capitolism is supposed to be peaceful also, but human nature corrupts. you’re not gunna hear me make excuses for the flaws in a capitolist, democratic society. if comunism fails to take human nature into concideration, and subsiquently fails, it’s a failure. ideology and reality are two differnt things.
This is where it all kicked off from, I think. Mainly because of that first two lines.
communism is what it is (implying actual communist ideology. granted you probably meant real world communism, but we were at a point in the discussion where it would have been better to specify this.)
it was the ussr, it is china, cuba, vietnam. (well I think we’ve since all agreed that it is, in fact, NOT what true communism is.)
it was never ment to be peaceful. (well... that implies that there is no peace in the ideology of communism, like being in eternal warfare. Like a viking or something.)
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Stix86 wrote:
i understaned you’re angry about getting schooled like this, by someone who didn’t even believe in his own argument no less!
but it’s even funnier that someone who jumped on the communism band wagon cause it’s currently the thing to do is calling me unoriginal. silly boy in a mans body i already said. you’ll learn to develope your own opinions one day, hopefully.
since when have either of us said that we were on the communist 'band wagon'?
Personally, I’d say I’m fairly right wing. I’ve been doing my best to provide balanced and unbiased statements on what communism actually stands for, rather than 'communism is the devil'.
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Says he who has used the same insult in this thread several dozen times. Such fail.
I’m just bored of your astonishing ignorance.
Posting memes and fucking with you is far more entertaining than this thread. Since it’s blatantly obvious you can’t read for shit, I’ll display your level of fail in pictoral form.
Gunslang wrote:
I do believe I’ve found the offending post.
Stix86 wrote:
communism is what it is. it was the ussr, it is china, cuba, vietnam. it was never ment to be peaceful. let’s stop making excuses for everything. capitolism is supposed to be peaceful also, but human nature corrupts. you’re not gunna hear me make excuses for the flaws in a capitolist, democratic society. if comunism fails to take human nature into concideration, and subsiquently fails, it’s a failure. ideology and reality are two differnt things.
This is where it all kicked off from, I think. Mainly because of that first two lines.
communism is what it is (implying actual communist ideology. granted you probably meant real world communism, but we were at a point in the discussion where it would have been better to specify this.)
it was the ussr, it is china, cuba, vietnam. (well I think we’ve since all agreed that it is, in fact, NOT what true communism is.)
it was never ment to be peaceful. (well... that implies that there is no peace in the ideology of communism, like being in eternal warfare. Like a viking or something.)
very good gunslang. i was waiting for your idiot friend to find it, but it’s still very vauge and it actually implies nothing. in text form it reads as it reads. communism was never ment to be peacefull. it’s ment as a way of keeping equality and sharing the rewards of the communities labor. in short.
and no, i have no redneck kill the commies agenda. i am definately on the left. i’m just giving you’re friend shit cause he’s a dumbass.
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