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25 Feb 2008 11:03 pm
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
1indainfinite wrote: Wow people are back, whats happening?

Nothing because Itachi nor Seed are here to post their bizzare logic yet.

I think I started a thread of what you think of seed and itachi some where here.
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28 Feb 2008 02:12 am
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I’m still here afterall...
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28 Feb 2008 02:38 am
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Are you mad Itachi your posting has increased by 14.8% and they become more irasional.
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28 Feb 2008 02:41 am
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This time I dont have job or let say I dont have one to do... but when the college open new season I’ll be very bussy... I want to enjoy this time...
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28 Feb 2008 02:42 am
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: This time I dont have job or let say I dont have one to do... but when the college open new season I’ll be very bussy... I want to enjoy this time...

By ticking people off.
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28 Feb 2008 02:44 am
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Nope... just doing my job... thats all...
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28 Feb 2008 02:45 am
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: Nope... just doing my job... thats all...

And your job is?
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28 Feb 2008 03:53 am
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Looking for troubles
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29 Feb 2008 06:44 am
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The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?
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Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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29 Feb 2008 10:26 am
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Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?



Religion as influenced billions upon billions of people.
Don’t forget, the pioneer scientists and great thinkers were usually religious too.

You can’t simply separate everything and say “science gave us thins” and “religion gave us this”. The world doesn’t work that way. Neither one “gave” us anything...they’re just terms, science being the most problematic to define of the two.
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29 Feb 2008 02:39 pm
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treeplanter wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?



Religion as influenced billions upon billions of people.
Don’t forget, the pioneer scientists and great thinkers were usually religious too.

You can’t simply separate everything and say “science gave us thins” and “religion gave us this”. The world doesn’t work that way. Neither one “gave” us anything...they’re just terms, science being the most problematic to define of the two.

Where the brillian because or religion? or are they just brilliant, and happen to be religious? Religion seems to inspire mostly intolerance of others.

Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:
1) Skepticism of unsupported claims
2) Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3) Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4) Requires testability
5) Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses descriptive language
7) Performs controlled experiments
8) Self-correcting
9) Relies on evidence and reason
10) Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11) Produces useful knowledge

Pseudoscience and religion relies on some of the following criteria:
1) Has a negative attitude to skepticism
2) Does not require critical thinking
3) Does not require experimental repeatability
4) Does not require tests
5) Does not accept falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses vague language
7) Relies on anecdotal evidence
8) No self-correction
9) Relies on belief and faith
10) Makes absolute claims
11) Produces no useful knowledge
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Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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29 Feb 2008 04:19 pm
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Gplex wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?



Religion as influenced billions upon billions of people.
Don’t forget, the pioneer scientists and great thinkers were usually religious too.

You can’t simply separate everything and say “science gave us this” and “religion gave us this”. The world doesn’t work that way. Neither one “gave” us anything...they’re just terms, science being the most problematic to define of the two.

Where the brillian because or religion? or are they just brilliant, and happen to be religious? Religion seems to inspire mostly intolerance of others.




Why would it be either? You are who you are because of everything that has happened to you...every single moment.
There is no way to know if something that happened to you 10 years ago doesn’t end up having a big effect on you now. There are an indefinite amount of connections between you and the rest of the world.

So if a scientist was also religious, then yes, it would have an effect on who they are and how they think. I’m not saying that religion made them smart, but in many cases (most notably in the past) religion still had a great influence on how they thought about the world and their experiments or “scientific” research were still undertaken within this world view.

Would these discoveries have been made without religion in the mix? There is no way to know, and there are any number of variables that could influence the outcome of any discovery or any life.


Get what I’m saying?
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29 Feb 2008 10:05 pm
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treeplanter wrote:
Gplex wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?



Religion as influenced billions upon billions of people.
Don’t forget, the pioneer scientists and great thinkers were usually religious too.

You can’t simply separate everything and say “science gave us this” and “religion gave us this”. The world doesn’t work that way. Neither one “gave” us anything...they’re just terms, science being the most problematic to define of the two.

Where the brillian because or religion? or are they just brilliant, and happen to be religious? Religion seems to inspire mostly intolerance of others.




Why would it be either? You are who you are because of everything that has happened to you...every single moment.
There is no way to know if something that happened to you 10 years ago doesn’t end up having a big effect on you now. There are an indefinite amount of connections between you and the rest of the world.

So if a scientist was also religious, then yes, it would have an effect on who they are and how they think. I’m not saying that religion made them smart, but in many cases (most notably in the past) religion still had a great influence on how they thought about the world and their experiments or “scientific” research were still undertaken within this world view.

Would these discoveries have been made without religion in the mix? There is no way to know, and there are any number of variables that could influence the outcome of any discovery or any life.

Get what I’m saying?

Religion has and as long as it exist, holding back science. Someone religious, even if they are following the scientific method, would just give up and say god did it, when they hit their mental limits. This fact has been shown over and over again throughout history..
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01 Mar 2008 12:20 am
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The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?
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Did I post you the moslems scientist...???

They using Qur’an and spirit to never give up in sciences...

Now what atheist bring to this world...???
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01 Mar 2008 01:26 am
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?
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Did I post you the moslems scientist...???

They using Qur’an and spirit to never give up in sciences...

Now what atheist bring to this world...???

You mean sciences, because its science vs religion.

Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:
1) Skepticism of unsupported claims
2) Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3) Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4) Requires testability
5) Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses descriptive language
7) Performs controlled experiments
8) Self-correcting
9) Relies on evidence and reason
10) Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11) Produces useful knowledge

Pseudoscience and religion (your great muslim religion included) relies on some of the following criteria:
1) Has a negative attitude to skepticism
2) Does not require critical thinking
3) Does not require experimental repeatability
4) Does not require tests
5) Does not accept falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses vague language
7) Relies on anecdotal evidence
8) No self-correction
9) Relies on belief and faith
10) Makes absolute claims
11) Produces no useful knowledge
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Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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01 Mar 2008 01:26 am
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Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?

Hey everything has a purpose and religion for me anyway has been the origin for laws and order, just saying.
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Last edited 01 Mar 2008 01:29 am by 1indainfinite
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01 Mar 2008 01:45 am
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:

Can no one else see what is wrong with this picture....
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1indainfinite wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?

Hey everything has a purpose and religion for me anyway has been the origin for laws and order, just saying.

You could have made your own purpose, but now millions maybe billions need this to tell them their pupose instead, way to go religion!
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01 Mar 2008 01:51 am
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Gplex wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?

Hey everything has a purpose and religion for me anyway has been the origin for laws and order, just saying.

You could have made your own purpose, but now millions maybe billions need this to tell them their pupose instead, way to go religion!

Ugg what I as trying to say is that religion was a basis for laws and I’m atheist Jesus Christ what do I have to to put it on my sig.
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1indainfinite wrote:
Gplex wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
Gplex wrote: The modern world could not survive without science, but what has religion given us?

Hey everything has a purpose and religion for me anyway has been the origin for laws and order, just saying.

You could have made your own purpose, but now millions maybe billions need this to tell them their pupose instead, way to go religion!

Ugg what I as trying to say is that religion was a basis for laws and I’m atheist Jesus Christ what do I have to to put it on my sig.

Laws that rational people could come up with? Religion adds on extras like...

Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
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