Had people call science a delusion... So which is really the delusion?
— -> Thank god Qur’an provide sciencies...
The debate between science and religion goes on without resolve and without satisfaction for any involved. We might get somewhere if we narrowed the terms of debate a bit: on what grounds are we attempting to compare the two? There are many possible points of comparison; here I shall briefly summarize how science is superior to religion in terms of improving the lives, health, and welfare of humanity on a very basic level and all around the world.
Sanitation & Cleanliness:
What has religion done in the past millennia to improve sanitation and cleanliness? Little to nothing. Science, however, has informed us of the ways in which disease can be spread through improperly handled water and poor hygiene. Science has also provided the tools to make water safer to drink and to clean up both ourselves and our surroundings to greatly reduce the risk of disease. Countless people have been saved from sickness and death through this information.
— — > This is why Islam told its follower to take bath, and wudhu before sholat, and clean buttocks after take a pee or throwing out fecess...
Fighting Disease:
Disease in general is not something which religion has helped fight; on the contrary, myths about the origins of disease have only made things worse. Science, however, has identified the bacteria and viruses which cause disease, how they work, how to fight them, and more. Through evolutionary theory we know that the fight against pathogens is endless because they will constantly evolve, but science gives us the tools to continue the fight with. Religion does not and often inhibits the effort.
— -> You now saying about Ibnu Sina right...??? Btw, Moslems has Bekam it was teach by Prophet Muhammad SAW to heal disease... so...???
Human Longevity:
Humans today live much longer on average than they used to, with the longest lives occurring in the industrialized West. This is not a coincidence: it is due to the use of science to fight disease, improve hygiene, and most importantly to improve the chances of survival in childhood. People are living longer because they use science to better understand and manipulate the world around them. Religion has not contributed to this.
— — > Religion takes part like wudhu or other things like take a bath...
Communication & Community:
People today can communicate with each other across vast distances in ways that would have been unimaginable just a few decades ago. This facilitates not only the transmission of useful information, but also the development of new and dynamic human communities. All of this is possible through the use of science to create new technology. Religion has made great use of these abilities, but has contributed nothing to their basic development.
— — > Community... and communication... Saladin and others has shown how to communicate with others via messengers...
Food Production & Distribution:
People need to eat to survive, and while religion might encourage giving food to those who need it most, it does nothing to help grow more of it and more efficiently. Humans have used basic scientific tools to improve food production for millennia, but in recent times that has increased geometrically through the use of chemical analysis, satellite records, and even genetic manipulation. Science makes it possible to feed more people more efficiently with less land.
— — > Prophet Muhammad And His Followers known to be sheperd and farmer... they also good at trade...
New Materials:
Everything we make must be made from some raw material. In the past the options were limited; today, however, there is a wealth of materials that are lighter, stronger, and often better than what was available before. Religion did not create plastics, carbon fiber, or even steel. Science and the scientific method allow people to develop new materials for new tasks, making it possible to do so much that we take for granted today.
— -> Wrong religion find new steel... almost every moslems were knowlegde about this sciences...
Understanding Sexuality & Reproduction:
Science has provided invaluable insights into how human sexuality and reproduction work. We understand not only how and why things function, but also how and why they fail to function. This makes it possible to correct for errors and for people who previously were unable to have children to now successfully do so. Religion not only has not contributed to this, but in the past it has inhibited our understanding through myths and fables.
— -> Qur’an stated this before the sciences... I already prove you this...
Understanding Our Real Place in the Universe:
It should go without saying that we cannot improve our position if we dont know what that position really is. Science has provided tremendous information about our place in nature, about our planets place in the solar system, and about our galaxys place in the universe. There is much to learn, but what we know already has been put to great use. Religion has only ever offered myths, all of which have proven to be wrong and misleading.
— — > Qur’an has stated this also... about the creation of the universe (The Big Bang)... life is from water Al Buruuj which mean galacy or stars constellations... Qur’an has stated also that the moon was once split to half Al Qomar:1... which Nasa known that facts recently...
Humanity Needs More Science, Not More Religion:
It can be argued that there is much more to life than improved sanitation, improved hygiene, fighting disease, increased food production, new materials for building things, improved communication, and so forth. On the other hand, there isnt nearly as much life without those things and those who are alive will have to endure more hardship and suffering as well. The ability of science to improve the very basic necessities of life is without question. The fact that religion doesnt even come close is also without question.
— -> According to the fact that more crimes which mean people need more religion and more spiritual life...
Why does such an extreme difference exist? Sciences success depends upon the scientific method and upon methodological naturalism. The scientific method ensures that new ideas are thoroughly tested and vetted before being accepted. Methodological naturalism ensures that science conforms to the boundaries of the natural world rather than the boundaries of wishful thinking.
— -> Thank god Islam and Qur’an did not harsh to sciences...
Religions neither incorporate nor value either of these methods. The diversity of religion prevents us making many generalizations about all religions, but I am unaware of any that develop and test their claims on the scientific method or rely upon methodological naturalism when examining the world.
This doesnt require the conclusion that religion is valueless because not everything in life can, does, or needs to incorporate the principles of science to be worth anything. What we can conclude, however, is that in the past couple of centuries science has done far more to improve the basic living and survival standards of humanity than religion has in the past several millennia. Religious leaders like to claim that we need more religion in order to solve our problems, but with most problems we could probably benefit from more science instead.
— -> Thanx you has shown that Islam is a better religion...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
face it, science and religion are different beliefs. there will be those that oppose one and those the other, its how we humans see things, its what makes us unique. if every human saw things the same way, then this life wouldnt be too interesting, now would it?
Lord Balmung wrote:
face it, science and religion are different beliefs. there will be those that oppose one and those the other, its how we humans see things, its what makes us unique. if every human saw things the same way, then this life wouldnt be too interesting, now would it?
So true..
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
face it, science and religion are different beliefs. there will be those that oppose one and those the other, its how we humans see things, its what makes us unique. if every human saw things the same way, then this life wouldnt be too interesting, now would it?
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Actually no... Religion and Science can walk together...
Atlas Of Creations, The Big Bang already revealed in Qur’an...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Had people call science a delusion... So which is really the delusion?
— -> Thank god Qur’an provide sciencies...
You mean copy stuff from other cultures, and that some happen to be wrong.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
The debate between science and religion goes on without resolve and without satisfaction for any involved. We might get somewhere if we narrowed the terms of debate a bit: on what grounds are we attempting to compare the two? There are many possible points of comparison; here I shall briefly summarize how science is superior to religion in terms of improving the lives, health, and welfare of humanity on a very basic level and all around the world.
Sanitation & Cleanliness:
What has religion done in the past millennia to improve sanitation and cleanliness? Little to nothing. Science, however, has informed us of the ways in which disease can be spread through improperly handled water and poor hygiene. Science has also provided the tools to make water safer to drink and to clean up both ourselves and our surroundings to greatly reduce the risk of disease. Countless people have been saved from sickness and death through this information.
— — > This is why Islam told its follower to take bath, and wudhu before sholat, and clean buttocks after take a pee or throwing out fecess...
A bath will not keep your food, water and homes clean. Look at the 'holy' river that millions of people bath in india.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Fighting Disease:
Disease in general is not something which religion has helped fight; on the contrary, myths about the origins of disease have only made things worse. Science, however, has identified the bacteria and viruses which cause disease, how they work, how to fight them, and more. Through evolutionary theory we know that the fight against pathogens is endless because they will constantly evolve, but science gives us the tools to continue the fight with. Religion does not and often inhibits the effort.
— -> You now saying about Ibnu Sina right...??? Btw, Moslems has Bekam it was teach by Prophet Muhammad SAW to heal disease... so...???
Oh so he never actually did anything like modern medican? Just basicly said, we got to do something about disease. Nice try but thats not science.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Human Longevity:
Humans today live much longer on average than they used to, with the longest lives occurring in the industrialized West. This is not a coincidence: it is due to the use of science to fight disease, improve hygiene, and most importantly to improve the chances of survival in childhood. People are living longer because they use science to better understand and manipulate the world around them. Religion has not contributed to this.
— — > Religion takes part like wudhu or other things like take a bath...
Strange how it never seem to help anyone till modern science came along.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Communication & Community:
People today can communicate with each other across vast distances in ways that would have been unimaginable just a few decades ago. This facilitates not only the transmission of useful information, but also the development of new and dynamic human communities. All of this is possible through the use of science to create new technology. Religion has made great use of these abilities, but has contributed nothing to their basic development.
— — > Community... and communication... Saladin and others has shown how to communicate with others via messengers...
Really, you mean like the romans did, etc etc.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Food Production & Distribution:
People need to eat to survive, and while religion might encourage giving food to those who need it most, it does nothing to help grow more of it and more efficiently. Humans have used basic scientific tools to improve food production for millennia, but in recent times that has increased geometrically through the use of chemical analysis, satellite records, and even genetic manipulation. Science makes it possible to feed more people more efficiently with less land.
— — > Prophet Muhammad And His Followers known to be sheperd and farmer... they also good at trade...
They did not produce vase amounts of food to feed entire countries. Look at Africa, they have plenty of food, but they can no distributed it like the western word does, thus billions of tons rot and millions stave. Over the last 2 years they have been adapting the current system westerners have to their own country.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
New Materials:
Everything we make must be made from some raw material. In the past the options were limited; today, however, there is a wealth of materials that are lighter, stronger, and often better than what was available before. Religion did not create plastics, carbon fiber, or even steel. Science and the scientific method allow people to develop new materials for new tasks, making it possible to do so much that we take for granted today.
— -> Wrong religion find new steel... almost every moslems were knowlegde about this sciences...
Carbon fibre, titanium, plastics? Steel was descovered either India or Sri Lanka at around 300 BC. You think a religion is directly responsible for this?
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Understanding Sexuality & Reproduction:
Science has provided invaluable insights into how human sexuality and reproduction work. We understand not only how and why things function, but also how and why they fail to function. This makes it possible to correct for errors and for people who previously were unable to have children to now successfully do so. Religion not only has not contributed to this, but in the past it has inhibited our understanding through myths and fables.
— -> Qur’an stated this before the sciences... I already prove you this...
I already debunk that...
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Understanding Our Real Place in the Universe:
It should go without saying that we cannot improve our position if we dont know what that position really is. Science has provided tremendous information about our place in nature, about our planets place in the solar system, and about our galaxys place in the universe. There is much to learn, but what we know already has been put to great use. Religion has only ever offered myths, all of which have proven to be wrong and misleading.
— — > Qur’an has stated this also... about the creation of the universe (The Big Bang)... life is from water Al Buruuj which mean galacy or stars constellations... Qur’an has stated also that the moon was once split to half Al Qomar:1... which Nasa known that facts recently...
No it mentions a vage statement saying the empire will expain. Star constellations was not form by your religion they where form by scientist that live around 1200, before religion completly destroyed their work.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Humanity Needs More Science, Not More Religion:
It can be argued that there is much more to life than improved sanitation, improved hygiene, fighting disease, increased food production, new materials for building things, improved communication, and so forth. On the other hand, there isnt nearly as much life without those things and those who are alive will have to endure more hardship and suffering as well. The ability of science to improve the very basic necessities of life is without question. The fact that religion doesnt even come close is also without question.
— -> According to the fact that more crimes which mean people need more religion and more spiritual life...
According to the facts that is is the religious people who are doing most of the criminal activitys.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why does such an extreme difference exist? Sciences success depends upon the scientific method and upon methodological naturalism. The scientific method ensures that new ideas are thoroughly tested and vetted before being accepted. Methodological naturalism ensures that science conforms to the boundaries of the natural world rather than the boundaries of wishful thinking.
— -> Thank god Islam and Qur’an did not harsh to sciences...
Really so how come all the scientific learn came to a halt after your islam took over the middle east?
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Religions neither incorporate nor value either of these methods. The diversity of religion prevents us making many generalizations about all religions, but I am unaware of any that develop and test their claims on the scientific method or rely upon methodological naturalism when examining the world.
This doesnt require the conclusion that religion is valueless because not everything in life can, does, or needs to incorporate the principles of science to be worth anything. What we can conclude, however, is that in the past couple of centuries science has done far more to improve the basic living and survival standards of humanity than religion has in the past several millennia. Religious leaders like to claim that we need more religion in order to solve our problems, but with most problems we could probably benefit from more science instead.
— -> Thanx you has shown that Islam is a better religion...
Thanks for not providing any evidence again.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
face it, science and religion are different beliefs. there will be those that oppose one and those the other, its how we humans see things, its what makes us unique. if every human saw things the same way, then this life wouldnt be too interesting, now would it?
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Actually no... Religion and Science can walk together...
Atlas Of Creations, The Big Bang already revealed in Qur’an...
Atlas of Creation is total bs, I read some parts of it on the internet and it doesnt provide anything but lies and assumptions.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
You mean copy stuff from other cultures, and that some happen to be wrong.
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Evolutions is from Greek not Qur’an... how many times I told you that Prophet Muhammad SAW never go to greek and he even dont know what greek is...
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Strange how it never seem to help anyone till modern science came along.
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Stupid infidel.... “Clean is part of faith” Hadist
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They did not produce vase amounts of food to feed entire countries. Look at Africa, they have plenty of food, but they can no distributed it like the western word does, thus billions of tons rot and millions stave. Over the last 2 years they have been adapting the current system westerners have to their own country.
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Did I say they were farmer, trader, and sheperd...???
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No it mentions a vage statement saying the empire will expain. Star constellations was not form by your religion they where form by scientist that live around 1200, before religion completly destroyed their work.
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My religion live at 600 AD so...
By the stars of constellations (Al Buruuj:1)
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According to the facts that is is the religious people who are doing most of the criminal activitys.
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You mean like stealing and the people who dont believe in god create terror and taking others life... I think you must go to prison then and ask them about GOD...
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Really so how come all the scientific learn came to a halt after your islam took over the middle east?
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You not saying the individual take over that places and make islam look bad right...
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Atlas of Creation is total bs, I read some parts of it on the internet and it doesnt provide anything but lies and assumptions.
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Evolution is totaly BS and dont prove anything except always a missing link... thx *plex...
well entire europe afraid of that books...
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
You mean copy stuff from other cultures, and that some happen to be wrong.
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Evolutions is from Greek not Qur’an... how many times I told you that Prophet Muhammad SAW never go to greek and he even dont know what greek is...
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Strange how it never seem to help anyone till modern science came along.
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Stupid infidel.... “Clean is part of faith” Hadist
Really so all food is sanatise, and is properly prepared..
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
They did not produce vase amounts of food to feed entire countries. Look at Africa, they have plenty of food, but they can no distributed it like the western word does, thus billions of tons rot and millions stave. Over the last 2 years they have been adapting the current system westerners have to their own country.
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Did I say they were farmer, trader, and sheperd...???
“sheperd and farmer... " a famer makes money by trading...
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
No it mentions a vage statement saying the empire will expain. Star constellations was not form by your religion they where form by scientist that live around 1200, before religion completly destroyed their work.
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My religion live at 600 AD so...
By the stars of constellations (Al Buruuj:1)
Exactly, but most people didnt follow it like their life depended on it. Then some asshole came along and said that maths was the language of the devil, and down hill it went (around 1200)
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
According to the facts that is is the religious people who are doing most of the criminal activitys.
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You mean like stealing and the people who dont believe in god create terror and taking others life... I think you must go to prison then and ask them about GOD...
Thats not what the facts say. Facts are that religious people in the modern world tend to cause more crime and have more devorces.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Really so how come all the scientific learn came to a halt after your islam took over the middle east?
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You not saying the individual take over that places and make islam look bad right...
Maths the word of the devil!
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Thanks for not providing any evidence again.
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Tengkyu for denying again... infidel
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Atlas of Creation is total bs, I read some parts of it on the internet and it doesnt provide anything but lies and assumptions.
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Evolution is totaly BS and dont prove anything except always a missing link... thx *plex...
well entire europe afraid of that books...
No one is afraid, they are more afraid of ignorant people like you.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
From what Ive seen Harun Yahya is just recycling the christian creatism crap.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Exactly, but most people didnt follow it like their life depended on it. Then some asshole came along and said that maths was the language of the devil, and down hill it went (around 1200)
— -> one ass hole to ruin Islam religion just like one ass hole and bring disaster to life just like Darwin did...
Thats not what the facts say. Facts are that religious people in the modern world tend to cause more crime and have more devorces.
— — -> the facts say that Arya people is highest races... jews is sub species... and they kill them all... right...???
Hitler is Atheist, Mao, Lennin, Stalin... and well Bush...
Exactly, but most people didnt follow it like their life depended on it. Then some asshole came along and said that maths was the language of the devil, and down hill it went (around 1200)
— -> one ass hole to ruin Islam religion just like one ass hole and bring disaster to life just like Darwin did...
Thats not what the facts say. Facts are that religious people in the modern world tend to cause more crime and have more devorces.
— — -> the facts say that Arya people is highest races... jews is sub species... and they kill them all... right...???
Hitler is Atheist, Mao, Lennin, Stalin... and well Bush...
No one is afraid, they are more afraid of ignorant people like you.
— -> Yes they are... they declare war to Islam and Atlas Of Creation... Why Islam...??? Why not other religion like jews, christ and others...???
just more bs no evidence. I post you the muslem who preach that maths was the language of the devil, and Im more of a science fanatic, of course that doesnt mean I will blow you up if you dont respond to evidence. No one has ever killed in the name of athiesm. Darwin isnt destroying life. If we wanted to destroy you we could, a few nukes would be more then enough to wipe out the base of your religion, but are we?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Gplex wrote:
From what Ive seen Harun Yahya is just recycling the christian creatism crap.
Itachi Uchiha, did you watch any of these videos?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Why watch crap. We already know how we evolved from GORILLAgrapes. Tell us something with a little more thought, if that’s even possible after being dropped on my head.
just more bs no evidence. I post you the muslem who preach that maths was the language of the devil, and Im more of a science fanatic, of course that doesnt mean I will blow you up if you dont respond to evidence. No one has ever killed in the name of athiesm. Darwin isnt destroying life. If we wanted to destroy you we could, a few nukes would be more then enough to wipe out the base of your religion, but are we?
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Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tze Dong, Pol Pot...
You mean who...???
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
just more bs no evidence. I post you the muslem who preach that maths was the language of the devil, and Im more of a science fanatic, of course that doesnt mean I will blow you up if you dont respond to evidence. No one has ever killed in the name of athiesm. Darwin isnt destroying life. If we wanted to destroy you we could, a few nukes would be more then enough to wipe out the base of your religion, but are we?
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Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tze Dong, Pol Pot...
You mean who...???
Did these assholes kill in the name of athiesm? Sould we kill everyone with a mistash because hitler had one?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Tian Nan Men... Communism = Atheism...
ur point...???
Btw Hitler said that Jews is sub species not deserves to lives... (He was talking about evolution - Sub Species)
No hes not because jews are not subspecies. Again your lack of understanding of the word communism, and athiesm is typical amoung thiest.
Atheism is the absence of belief in deities.
Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.
Learn it, memorise it, and dont spew bs like that again.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
communism said that theist is poisons and try erasing the existance of religions and god(s)...
WTF!?
For Hitler, Jews is SUBSPECIES...
does that mean that they are not deist? Does any of that comes close to the meaning of athiesm... plus what has this got to do with science vs religion, so far science is kicking ass.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Tian Nan Men... Communism = Atheism...
ur point...???
Btw Hitler said that Jews is sub species not deserves to lives... (He was talking about evolution - Sub Species)
No hes not because jews are not subspecies. Again your lack of understanding of the word communism, and athiesm is typical amoung thiest.
Atheism is the absence of belief in deities.
Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.
Learn it, memorise it, and dont spew bs like that again.
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