#681 27 Jun 2008 05:45 am |
TehPower Guest | [BusterManchester]To absorb energy? Well the lifestream can be transferred pretty quickly, like how Weiss did it on DoC.
How quickly is pretty quickly?
[BusterManchester]Again you are comparing two different things, his energy output is different to his barrier. If that was logical, then he never should have been beaten, because by that logic he can take Galaxy busters which he can’t.
bloded for lulz. Logically he never should have been beaten but guess what? This is anime. Logic be dammed. He’s a bad guy in a stand alone movie that lasts an hour. What do you except some major arc or something? lol logic you crack me up
[BusterManchester]
It’s called a spell. You do know what spells are don’t you? In FFVII, you need materia to cast spells, because you connect with the planets lifestream. Sephiroth has his own, he has displayed magic abilities, such as making his own barrier and sword.
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No power he hasn’t deshiled a person or shown to. I’m just going on something that’s stated which I say is stupid in another thread.
Either show me him actually desheilding a person or accept statements
[BusterManchester]It has actually been contradicted, for one Piccolo’s speical beam wasn’t even lightspeed.
ok...and? that’s going on real time. there’s nothing to suggest it went faster than it was shown (other than the speed of light dub) so we can say the SBC at the time isn’t lightspeed. That’s not the case with the kamehameha that hit the sun
[BusterManchester]Yeah but that’s like saying Goku can only bust planets on various sides, because by that logic, he’s not a planet buster either.
How exactly is that like what I said?
[BusterManchester]
Sephiroth only used his shield once. And when you say Strong, that is actually quite vague.
ok he used it once. so? and when I say strong I mean physcially, energy wise, durability, speed
[BusterManchester]About 1/5 the size of Midgar or something, Midgar is HUGE though, it’s like mulitple cities.
Seeing as broly sends out dozens of those blasts at a time he’s going to get hit with more than just a single city busting blast. Then again it’s broly he could just send a planet destroying blast just for the lulz
[BusterManchester]
So you are saying there is no matter around Broly when he powers up? You know you are saying there is a vaccum every time broly powers up.
No I’m saying the force of him powering up pretty much moves a lot of matter out of the way. piss and spit isn’t going to do it
[BusterManchester]
It corrupts spirit energy. The Sephiroth can use that to augment his own.
ki is life energy though and hwo long does this take | | | #682 27 Jun 2008 11:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33  Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | I have to flame to win debates. wrote:
How quickly is pretty quickly?
Instant.
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bloded for lulz. Logically he never should have been beaten but guess what? This is anime. Logic be dammed. He’s a bad guy in a stand alone movie that lasts an hour. What do you except some major arc or something? lol logic you crack me up
Logic in respects to the anime, think before you post. If his barrier could tank galaxy busters, then he should never have gotten beaten, end of story. You can’t use logic so it’s funny for me to use it? That doesn’t make sense.
No power he hasn’t deshiled a person or shown to. I’m just going on something that’s stated which I say is stupid in another thread.
Either show me him actually desheilding a person or accept statements
Actually he has. It’s called Debarrier, Safer Sephiroth does it, and actually you fail because you don’t know what the lifestream is, so I don’t have to show you jack shit. He doesn’t have to do every spell for us to know that he can. If you had any knowledge of VII, you’d know that.
How exactly is that like what I said?
Because not every planet is the same size.
ok he used it once. so? and when I say strong I mean physcially, energy wise, durability, speed
Broly only tore up a galaxy once, you have no problem calling him a galaxy buster. Well actually Sayains aren’t that physically strong, I don’t see them pushing planets or anything like that. Sephiroth can warp speed too you know, was doing that in his base form. Sephiroth doesn’t need massive energy output to win, and plus, he never fatigues.
Seeing as broly sends out dozens of those blasts at a time he’s going to get hit with more than just a single city busting blast. Then again it’s broly he could just send a planet destroying blast just for the lulz
Yeah, and Sephiroth would be able to take it or avoid it. Your point?
No I’m saying the force of him powering up pretty much moves a lot of matter out of the way. piss and spit isn’t going to do it
It’s what’s in the spit that matters.
ki is life energy though and hwo long does this take
Spirit energy is life energy, as that’s what it is in VII. How long does it take to corrupt lifestream, pretty much instant. When people with Geostigma die, their lifestream turns to the negative one.
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 | | #683 27 Jun 2008 11:17 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | wow, thats nice. but still covering every inch of a planet is not as impressive as destroying a galaxy in 3 seconds. oh and it is 3 seconds. kaio sama was obviously surprised after broly destroyed the galaxy. its not as if broly destroyed it after 10 years. if it took broly a long time to destroy it then kaio sama should have been as surprised as he is.
Again DBZ time =/= our time, how do you now it was 3 seconds? Because that was the time delay shown? I never said it took him 10 years, but you can’t be certain that it took him 3 seconds.
so what your saying is the background is real from tha start but its not at the end? its obvious the entire cinematic is not real. but because your devotion to seph is astounding youll deny the obvious.
You can’t say that it’s not real, because the party DID get hit, you are saying up until the last part was an illusion, I am saying we can’t prove either, because you could say it isn’t real because illusions can’t hurt you, and Cloud and co obviously got hurt (and lived due to game mechanics) you could say it was an illusion because the sun is still there, but you can’t be certain about the other planets.
wait a minute, bahamut is capable of destroying a city? hmmm, ive seen him tried to destroy alexandria, but hes killed by alexander.
He was going to destroy Edge.
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| | #684 27 Jun 2008 11:17 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61 Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | I wanted to point this out, Sephiroth can change his form correct? What stops him from taking the form of a bacteria and traveling into Broly and infect him? ---
Chaos Theory Made | | #685 27 Jun 2008 11:19 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | He can also put Broly into an illusion, how will he get out, if he doesn’t know the difference between the illusion and reality? ---
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| | #686 27 Jun 2008 11:21 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | Yeah, though Sephiroth might make the mistake of making Gokus in the illusion, though if he does manage to infect Broly that would work to his advantage because the virus will infect him faster as Broly’s blood will be rushing. ---
Chaos Theory Made | | #687 27 Jun 2008 11:40 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | Can I have some clarification on these two points? I’m not saying your wrong, just that if there’s any official verification on this I think it would make an interesting read. At first glance it doesn’t make much sense, as geostigma affects a lot of people who haven’t been exposed to J-cells. Also, I though Kadaj and co were just a band of particularly willful Seph clones who never quite made it to the reunion.
Oh, and Buster, PM away.
Here’s to clear up the regeneration thing. COmpilation Ultimania wrote:
“One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh,
called cells, will regenerate back to their original form - working toward the phenomenon of reunification. This is shown by instance(s) when both Jenova, who is practically close to immortal, and the son whom should be called Sephiroth, are resurrected sooner or later even after being destroyed."
And Kadaj and co definately don’t have J Cells, if that was the case, they wouldn’t need the children to find Jenova’s head, as they would have the “reunion” instinct.
No when Jenova got owned, her cells kinda fused with the lifestream, and as it was pwning meteor, it came into contact with a lot of people, sometimes insta pwning them.
Kadaj and co are physical manifestations of his will.
Oh and will PM
Yeah, though Sephiroth might make the mistake of making Gokus in the illusion, though if he does manage to infect Broly that would work to his advantage because the virus will infect him faster as Broly’s blood will be rushing.
Well technically Sephiroth won’t know who Goku is xD But I see your point.
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| | #688 27 Jun 2008 11:44 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | Well Sephiroth can read memories. Thats how he would know. ---
Chaos Theory Made | | #689 27 Jun 2008 11:45 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | Oh shit yeah, my bad, I remember him saying to Tifa " Do you want me to show everyone what’s in your heart."
Yeah my bad. ---
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| | #690 27 Jun 2008 11:47 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | I also remember him taking Tifa’s form and saying that it was easy to change. ---
Chaos Theory Made | | #691 27 Jun 2008 11:48 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | "Hehehehe. And don’t forget, the Black Materia”
Lol.
He also curb stomped Avalanche with what looked like Ultima, and then completely erased them from sight. ---
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| | #692 27 Jun 2008 11:50 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | Buster Sword wrote:
“Hehehehe. And don’t forget, the Black Materia”
Lol.
He also curb stomped Avalanche with what looked like Ultima, and then completely erased them from sight.
Sephiroth Ultima’d the party? Sounds like Kuja lol.
Chaos Theory Made | | #693 27 Jun 2008 11:52 am |
IMANOOB Guest | Buster Sword wrote:
wow, thats nice. but still covering every inch of a planet is not as impressive as destroying a galaxy in 3 seconds. oh and it is 3 seconds. kaio sama was obviously surprised after broly destroyed the galaxy. its not as if broly destroyed it after 10 years. if it took broly a long time to destroy it then kaio sama should have been as surprised as he is.
Again DBZ time =/= our time, how do you now it was 3 seconds? Because that was the time delay shown? I never said it took him 10 years, but you can’t be certain that it took him 3 seconds.
so what your saying is the background is real from tha start but its not at the end? its obvious the entire cinematic is not real. but because your devotion to seph is astounding youll deny the obvious.
You can’t say that it’s not real, because the party DID get hit, you are saying up until the last part was an illusion, I am saying we can’t prove either, because you could say it isn’t real because illusions can’t hurt you, and Cloud and co obviously got hurt (and lived due to game mechanics) you could say it was an illusion because the sun is still there, but you can’t be certain about the other planets.
wait a minute, bahamut is capable of destroying a city? hmmm, ive seen him tried to destroy alexandria, but hes killed by alexander.
He was going to destroy Edge.
yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it. | | #694 27 Jun 2008 11:56 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it.
Prove that DBZ time =/= our time.
Illusions aren’t real. By your logic the attack itself was real and the sun was destroyed because it hurt Cloud.
You obvoiusly didn’t see mega flare.
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| | #695 27 Jun 2008 11:56 am |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | IMANOOB wrote:
Buster Sword wrote:
wow, thats nice. but still covering every inch of a planet is not as impressive as destroying a galaxy in 3 seconds. oh and it is 3 seconds. kaio sama was obviously surprised after broly destroyed the galaxy. its not as if broly destroyed it after 10 years. if it took broly a long time to destroy it then kaio sama should have been as surprised as he is.
Again DBZ time =/= our time, how do you now it was 3 seconds? Because that was the time delay shown? I never said it took him 10 years, but you can’t be certain that it took him 3 seconds.
so what your saying is the background is real from tha start but its not at the end? its obvious the entire cinematic is not real. but because your devotion to seph is astounding youll deny the obvious.
You can’t say that it’s not real, because the party DID get hit, you are saying up until the last part was an illusion, I am saying we can’t prove either, because you could say it isn’t real because illusions can’t hurt you, and Cloud and co obviously got hurt (and lived due to game mechanics) you could say it was an illusion because the sun is still there, but you can’t be certain about the other planets.
wait a minute, bahamut is capable of destroying a city? hmmm, ive seen him tried to destroy alexandria, but hes killed by alexander.
He was going to destroy Edge.
yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it.
You have to prove it WAS 3 seconds. MY question is, Why the illusion? Why? Itachi’s 'illusions' were still as real as reality pretty much.
Chaos Theory Made | | #696 27 Jun 2008 11:56 am |
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 | | #697 27 Jun 2008 11:59 am |
IMANOOB Guest | Buster Sword wrote:
yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it.
Prove that DBZ time =/= our time.
Illusions aren’t real. By your logic the attack itself was real and the sun was destroyed because it hurt Cloud.
You obvoiusly didn’t see mega flare.
oh no, youre the one saying its not 3 seconds. prove that to me.
actually, thats not my logic. my logic will be the entire background is an illusion because nothing that they showed is real. hey, they were hurt, but theres no way to prove that they were hurt because of that meteor destroying everything in its path.
i did. and thats the reason why i dont beleive bahamut can destroy the city. | | #698 27 Jun 2008 12:01 pm |
IMANOOB Guest | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
IMANOOB wrote:
Buster Sword wrote:
wow, thats nice. but still covering every inch of a planet is not as impressive as destroying a galaxy in 3 seconds. oh and it is 3 seconds. kaio sama was obviously surprised after broly destroyed the galaxy. its not as if broly destroyed it after 10 years. if it took broly a long time to destroy it then kaio sama should have been as surprised as he is.
Again DBZ time =/= our time, how do you now it was 3 seconds? Because that was the time delay shown? I never said it took him 10 years, but you can’t be certain that it took him 3 seconds.
so what your saying is the background is real from tha start but its not at the end? its obvious the entire cinematic is not real. but because your devotion to seph is astounding youll deny the obvious.
You can’t say that it’s not real, because the party DID get hit, you are saying up until the last part was an illusion, I am saying we can’t prove either, because you could say it isn’t real because illusions can’t hurt you, and Cloud and co obviously got hurt (and lived due to game mechanics) you could say it was an illusion because the sun is still there, but you can’t be certain about the other planets.
wait a minute, bahamut is capable of destroying a city? hmmm, ive seen him tried to destroy alexandria, but hes killed by alexander.
He was going to destroy Edge.
yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it.
You have to prove it WAS 3 seconds. MY question is, Why the illusion? Why? Itachi’s 'illusions' were still as real as reality pretty much.
actually you can see it in the movie. now prove that its not 3 seconds. illusions are illusions. they are not real. | | #699 27 Jun 2008 12:02 pm |
Don't waste my time Rep: 61Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 13,905 ONLINE | IMANOOB wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
IMANOOB wrote:
Buster Sword wrote:
wow, thats nice. but still covering every inch of a planet is not as impressive as destroying a galaxy in 3 seconds. oh and it is 3 seconds. kaio sama was obviously surprised after broly destroyed the galaxy. its not as if broly destroyed it after 10 years. if it took broly a long time to destroy it then kaio sama should have been as surprised as he is.
Again DBZ time =/= our time, how do you now it was 3 seconds? Because that was the time delay shown? I never said it took him 10 years, but you can’t be certain that it took him 3 seconds.
so what your saying is the background is real from tha start but its not at the end? its obvious the entire cinematic is not real. but because your devotion to seph is astounding youll deny the obvious.
You can’t say that it’s not real, because the party DID get hit, you are saying up until the last part was an illusion, I am saying we can’t prove either, because you could say it isn’t real because illusions can’t hurt you, and Cloud and co obviously got hurt (and lived due to game mechanics) you could say it was an illusion because the sun is still there, but you can’t be certain about the other planets.
wait a minute, bahamut is capable of destroying a city? hmmm, ive seen him tried to destroy alexandria, but hes killed by alexander.
He was going to destroy Edge.
yeah prove to me its not 3 seconds.
well, its not real. saying it is, is really illogical. i mean if the planets were really destroyed by the attack then the cinematic is 50% real and 50% not. oh and illusions can hurt you. itachi proved that a couple of times already.
whats edge? is that the city? if so, then prove that bahamut is capable of destroying it.
You have to prove it WAS 3 seconds. MY question is, Why the illusion? Why? Itachi’s 'illusions' were still as real as reality pretty much.
actually you can see it in the movie. now prove that its not 3 seconds. illusions are illusions. they are not real.
Show me then.
Chaos Theory Made | | #700 27 Jun 2008 12:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 33Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 3,107 ONLINE | oh no, youre the one saying its not 3 seconds. prove that to me.
And you are the one saying it isn’t. Prove a positive.
actually, thats not my logic. my logic will be the entire background is an illusion because nothing that they showed is real. hey, they were hurt, but theres no way to prove that they were hurt because of that meteor destroying everything in its path.
So they were hurt by something you don’t know what it is? That makes no sense.
i did. and thats the reason why i dont beleive bahamut can destroy the city.
It was only 3/4 the size of Edge...yeah
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