Science: in a historical sense, refers to any systematic knowledge or practice. The modern use of the term refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research
Scientific Method: refers to the body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.
If you haven’t realized it already, I made up a false title so people who agree with it can see why there are no “sciences” in the Qur’an that can justify it. By definition of both science and the scientific method, the Qur’an is completely absent of any science in it. As you can see from the parts that I bolded, science requires the use of the scientific method. The scientific method is used by collecting new knowledge and CORRECTING or INTEGRATING previous knowledge.
Those two words, correcting and integrating, are the reason why the Qur’an is completely absent of any sciences. The Qur’an is a holy book meaming it is dogmatic and will never be subject to any change in any of the “sciences” that are in it. By definition the Qur’an has no more science in it and is no less dogmatic than the Bible, The Torah, or any other holy scripture. So stop saying there are “sciences” in it that justify your god, because those “sciences” will never change even when they’re proven wrong. And to prove my point even further, here are some “sciences” in the Qur’an that have been proven wrong, yet have never been changed:
12:4 When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.
There are not eleven planets in the solar system, there are nine (if you count Pluto).
27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!
The Earth is not fixed and does move. It rotates and has revolutions around the Sun.
67:5 And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
The “lamps” are metaphors for stars, and “missiles” are metaphors for shooting stars. However, shooting stars are not stars at all, they’re space junk that enters the Earth’s atmosphere. Real stars don’t enter the Earth’s atmosphere as “missiles”.
71:16 And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?
This verse implies that the moon produces it’s own light. The moon is a reflector, not a light. By definition, in order for something to be a light it has to produce it, not reflect it.
86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.
This one I shouldn’t even have to explain.
So there you go. Stop trying to justify the Qur’an by the “sciences” it has because you’d think if it was written by a prophet that had god tell him what to go in there, that there would be no inaccuracies in it.
Now before I end this post let me just make one thing clear; even if with all the “sciences” in the Qur’an that are actually correct without over-interpreting, and even if there were no scientific inaccuracies, it still wouldn’t justify your god. Acknowledging a small amount of truth in order to justify a very grand falsehood does not work. I just don’t understand why so many people can’t get that through their heads. People like Itachi, who are constantly finding small fallacies in his otherwise warped understanding of evolution in his, “oh, this one small is wrong therefore the entire theory is wrong” attitude then goes on to find bits and pieces of the Qur’an that are actually true and act as if those small pieces justify the entire idea of a god. By the same logic that Itachi uses, the Qur’an is much less reliable and truthful than evolution will ever be.
I already try to tell Itachi that if he got 1 thing righht out of a 1000 doesnt mean hes right about everything.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote:
What? No attempts at rebuttals? C’mon Itachi and Sean of the living, that’s no fun
I never said he got anything right, but if he got something right.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote:
What? No attempts at rebuttals? C’mon Itachi and Sean of the living, that’s no fun
lol no one at all...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote: 12:4 When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.
There are not eleven planets in the solar system, there are nine (if you count Pluto).
That depends on your definition of “planet”. How big it has to be, how round, it’s orbital location et cetera. And some scientists do believe that there may be small planets beyond Pluto, we don’t know for sure. What we do know is that the old arabic definition of “planet” is going to be different from our own.
ramunematt wrote: 27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!
The Earth is not fixed and does move. It rotates and has revolutions around the Sun.
It’s talking about how the Earth is fixed into the orbit of the sun and doesn’t just float around the galaxy.
ramunematt wrote: 67:5 And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
The “lamps” are metaphors for stars, and “missiles” are metaphors for shooting stars. However, shooting stars are not stars at all, they’re space junk that enters the Earth’s atmosphere. Real stars don’t enter the Earth’s atmosphere as “missiles”.
Well you just said the word “shooting star” so does that make YOU a liar? No, of course not. When you do it it’s an expression. Same with Muhhamed. They had no word for space junk so he just used the traditional name “shooting star”. The “missles” are the meteors Allah will send to Earth on judgement day to rid the universe of demons, hence sending them into flame (hell).
ramunematt wrote: 71:16 And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?
This verse implies that the moon produces it’s own light. The moon is a reflector, not a light. By definition, in order for something to be a light it has to produce it, not reflect it.
That’s the english translation. In arabic it uses the word which is romanized as “noor”. “Noor” does NOT mean a direct light, but something that deflects it, which is why reflected light is called “muneer”, which is literally “borrowed light” Otherwise, why wouldn’t the Quran call them both lamps?
ramunematt wrote: 86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Yeah, sperm comes out of an area near the loin. The dick. Haven’t you ever heard the expression “fruit of ones loins” before? Besides, it does not say that sperm is directly made in the kidneys This could easily be stating that some of our body fluids are cleansed there, or that sperm is issued into the womb between the loin and the ribs. It’s all down to enterpretation and translation.
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Last edited 29 Jan 2008 01:48 am by Sean of the Living
YES SCIENCE PROVES SEX WITH 9 YEAR OLD GIRL VERY NICE !! YES ?
Actually, Aisha was a lot older. Her sister Asma is described as being 100 at 73 AH, and also as being 10 years older than Aisha. This would make her 27 years old at AH when her sister married Muhhamed, but it would also make Aisha, who was 10 years younger, 17 when she married Muhhamed.
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Last edited 29 Jan 2008 01:47 am by Sean of the Living
ramunematt wrote:
12:4 When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me.
There are not eleven planets in the solar system, there are nine (if you count Pluto).
That depends on your definition of “planet”. How big it has to be, how round, it’s orbital location et cetera. And some scientists do believe that there may be small planets beyond Pluto, we don’t know for sure. What we do know is that the old arabic definition of “planet” is going to be different from our own.
ramunematt wrote:
27:61 Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas ? Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!
The Earth is not fixed and does move. It rotates and has revolutions around the Sun.
It’s talking about how the Earth is fixed into the orbit of the sun and doesn’t just float around the galaxy.
ramunematt wrote:
67:5 And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
The “lamps” are metaphors for stars, and “missiles” are metaphors for shooting stars. However, shooting stars are not stars at all, they’re space junk that enters the Earth’s atmosphere. Real stars don’t enter the Earth’s atmosphere as “missiles”.
Well you just said the word “shooting star” so does that make YOU a liar? No, of course not. When you do it it’s an expression. Same with Muhhamed. They had no word for space junk so he just used the traditional name “shooting star”. The “missles” are the meteors Allah will send to Earth on judgement day to rid the universe of demons, hence sending them into flame (hell).
ramunematt wrote:
71:16 And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp ?
This verse implies that the moon produces it’s own light. The moon is a reflector, not a light. By definition, in order for something to be a light it has to produce it, not reflect it.
That’s the english translation. In arabic it uses the word which is romanized as “noor”. “Noor” does NOT mean a direct light, but something that deflects it, which is why reflected light is called “muneer”, which is literally “borrowed light” Otherwise, why wouldn’t the Quran call them both lamps?
ramunematt wrote:
86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Yeah, sperm comes out of an area near the loin. The dick. Haven’t you ever heard the expression “fruit of ones loins” before? Besides, it does not say that sperm is directly made in the kidneys This could easily be stating that some of our body fluids are cleansed there, or that sperm is issued into the womb between the loin and the ribs. It’s all down to enterpretation and translation.
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Nibiru is planet... Pluto is planet.. and there is a lot of planet in our solar system... with nibiru is ten...
that is just adream for josef(Yusuf)...
And that fire is magical one no one can see that fire since Jinn is magical creatures...
In Arabic Noor = Light it also not saying that it was light... english langague anit that good... Allah SWT is not He or She but English language using He (Man) not She (Woman)...
and Sperm is from ur dick...
btw
@ Pain...
Wtf!?Wtf!?Wtf!?Wtf!?Wtf!?Wtf!?Wtf!?
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Well done Itachi and seed, you haven shown how most people over-interpreting the quran, oh and orbits are no fix.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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