i think... i dont know what to think. a creator is always more complex than his creation. since everything in this universe is very complex, its logical to assume that God is a very, very, very, complex being. so complex we cant fully understand what exactly he is, or where he came from, or why he is... etc.
God is eternal, not created. He is outside time, outside creation. Without an eternal there is no creation, just an infinite set of regressals. And an infinite set of regressals just don’t work.
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Sean of the Living wrote:
God is eternal, not created. He is outside time, outside creation. Without an eternal there is no creation, just an infinite set of regressals. And an infinite set of regressals just don’t work.
Time is a property of our universe. Outside of the universe there is no time. Therefore, the universe most likely had a beginning. How did the universe begin? We don’t know for sure, but we do know it is extremely unlikely that it was because of a god.
ramunematt wrote:
From the evidence that I’ve seen, I would say the big bang.
The Quran says that the universe was of one mass before Allah parted it. Sounds like the big bang to me. Besides, if you don’t have an infinite force outside of time, then what made the big bang at the beginning of time?
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God is eternal, not created. He is outside time, outside creation. Without an eternal there is no creation, just an infinite set of regressals. And an infinite set of regressals just don’t work.
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Allah SWT create time and space... He is not related to this universe... He is absolute and can control everything... something that our mind cant reach...
Before He create universe... He create pen and a book (Lauh Mahfuz)...
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The Quran says that the universe was of one mass before Allah parted it. Sounds like the big bang to me. Besides, if you don’t have an infinite force outside of time, then what made the big bang at the beginning of time?
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A Brief History of Time is just playing words... before the big bang there is no time... Allah SWT control everything...
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ramunematt wrote:
One thing I don’t get. When he shouted, “LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!" ... who was he talking to? Wasn’t he alone?
i forgot who said that but christ was there with his father before the creation of universe.
Yes and no.
Jesus IS God, so, in a sense, he would have been there.
But Jesus as we know him was not.
Don’t try to comprehend pre-existence by measuring it with the physical limitations that we have.
God is GOD. He doesn’t have said limitations. He’s God.
well, i was taught that Jesus and God are 2 different persons. and it makes perfect sense. jews didnt believe that God would visit earth. on earth jesus spoke of God as another person, his father, as having a higher authority over himself.
people started believing that they were one when the holy trinity was popularized. the holy trinity is not a biblical teaching, even the catholic church admits that.
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