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29 Jan 2008 06:41 am
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ramunematt wrote: One thing I don’t get. When he shouted, “LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!" ... who was he talking to? Wasn’t he alone?

i forgot who said that but christ was there with his father before the creation of universe.


Yes and no.

Jesus IS God, so, in a sense, he would have been there.

But Jesus as we know him was not.

Don’t try to comprehend pre-existence by measuring it with the physical limitations that we have.

God is GOD. He doesn’t have said limitations. He’s God.


well, i was taught that Jesus and God are 2 different persons. and it makes perfect sense. jews didnt believe that God would visit earth. on earth jesus spoke of God as another person, his father, as having a higher authority over himself.

people started believing that they were one when the holy trinity was popularized. the holy trinity is not a biblical teaching, even the catholic church admits that.


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jesus and his father are different because his father is greater than him.
even their church name is wrong the original one is church of god.
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Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: From the evidence that I’ve seen, I would say the big bang.


The Quran says that the universe was of one mass before Allah parted it. Sounds like the big bang to me. Besides, if you don’t have an infinite force outside of time, then what made the big bang at the beginning of time?


1. The Qur’an is not reliable or scientific
2. I’ve heard that verse so many times and I can tell you, the word “parted” does not describe the big bang. It’s just over-interpretation.
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29 Jan 2008 07:02 am
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Itachi, if you know how the big bang happened then you would realize that the word “parted” in no way describes it.
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29 Jan 2008 07:11 pm
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ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote: God is eternal, not created. He is outside time, outside creation. Without an eternal there is no creation, just an infinite set of regressals. And an infinite set of regressals just don’t work.


Time is a property of our universe. Outside of the universe there is no time. Therefore, the universe most likely had a beginning. How did the universe begin? We don’t know for sure, but we do know it is extremely unlikely that it was because of a god.

We know this? But it is POSSIBLE, correct?
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29 Jan 2008 07:20 pm
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ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: From the evidence that I’ve seen, I would say the big bang.


The Quran says that the universe was of one mass before Allah parted it. Sounds like the big bang to me. Besides, if you don’t have an infinite force outside of time, then what made the big bang at the beginning of time?


1. The Qur’an is not reliable or scientific
2. I’ve heard that verse so many times and I can tell you, the word “parted” does not describe the big bang. It’s just over-interpretation.

So? Going by what the teachings say, Allah, or God is above all scientific laws because he created all scientific laws that his creations had to follow. Plus he doesn’t exist in the universe as we know it but in another realm or diminsion. Remember, you can’t even BEGIN to imagine the power God has. God has infinite power and infinite knowledge and knows everything.

A human being could never understand or comprehend God so there is no point trying. Tell me, Can you argue against Theological evolution. Nope.
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god gave us home it means he also have it before the creation.
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here is the answer.
where was god before he created everything here.
proverbs 8:31
rejoicing in his inhabited WORLD,and my delight was with the sons of men.
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Legendary SSJ Broly wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: From the evidence that I’ve seen, I would say the big bang.


The Quran says that the universe was of one mass before Allah parted it. Sounds like the big bang to me. Besides, if you don’t have an infinite force outside of time, then what made the big bang at the beginning of time?


1. The Qur’an is not reliable or scientific
2. I’ve heard that verse so many times and I can tell you, the word “parted” does not describe the big bang. It’s just over-interpretation.

So? Going by what the teachings say, Allah, or God is above all scientific laws because he created all scientific laws that his creations had to follow. Plus he doesn’t exist in the universe as we know it but in another realm or diminsion. Remember, you can’t even BEGIN to imagine the power God has. God has infinite power and infinite knowledge and knows everything.

A human being could never understand or comprehend God so there is no point trying. Tell me, Can you argue against Theological evolution. Nope.


Actually I can argue against the theology your using. For one, if a human being will never be able to understand/comprehend god then that means he is completely useless to us. Anyone who says we are unable to comprehend or understand god is basically admitting that he is useless to us.

Two, if scientific laws are a property of our universe. When you say god created scientific laws, that is not different from saying he created the universe. However, we have heard this claim millions of times and have yet to see any evidence of it.

Three, isn’t that just too easy? Your claiming by fiat that god just happens to be beyond science and therefore doesn’t need the same kind of argument. If that kind of thing convinces you then your welcome.
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01 Feb 2008 01:52 pm
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seed wrote: his own earth.
what’s yours?
Lemme guess, your mormon? Because that is the mormon belief.
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01 Feb 2008 01:59 pm
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seed wrote: here is the answer.
where was god before he created everything here.
proverbs 8:31
rejoicing in his inhabited WORLD,and my delight was with the sons of men.

You have to show the verses surrounding the verse you are talking about to understand it fully.

“27. “When he set up the heavens, I was there. When he traced the horizon on the surface of the ocean, 28. when he established the skies above, when he determined the currents in the ocean, 29. when he set a limit for the sea so the waters would not overstep his command, when he traced the foundations of the earth, 30. I was beside him as a master craftsman. I made him happy day after day, I rejoiced in front of him all the time, 31. found joy in his inhabited world, and delighted in the human race."

He is the Inhabited World you are talking about is actually our Earth, and it is an angel telling God that the earth is a fine place. Take things in context.
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Derdev on Mormon Bible wrote:
seed wrote: here is the answer.
where was god before he created everything here.
proverbs 8:31
rejoicing in his inhabited WORLD,and my delight was with the sons of men.

You have to show the verses surrounding the verse you are talking about to understand it fully.

“27. “When he set up the heavens, I was there. When he traced the horizon on the surface of the ocean, 28. when he established the skies above, when he determined the currents in the ocean, 29. when he set a limit for the sea so the waters would not overstep his command, when he traced the foundations of the earth, 30. I was beside him as a master craftsman. I made him happy day after day, I rejoiced in front of him all the time, 31. found joy in his inhabited world, and delighted in the human race."

He is the Inhabited World you are talking about is actually our Earth, and it is an angel telling God that the earth is a fine place. Take things in context.

the is not our earht?
lol you mean god dont have home?
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Derdev on Gay wrote:
seed wrote: his own earth.
what’s yours?
Lemme guess, your mormon? Because that is the mormon belief.

im not a mormon.
mormon?i have not seen mormon in the bible?
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02 Feb 2008 01:54 am
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Mormanism uses the Christian bible, but with key chapters and verses changed in order to further there own beliefs. One of the primary beliefs of the Mormon church is that God once existed on a planet much like ours and that he ascended to a higher level, eventually becoming the God of our earth. According to the Mormon church all those who are born on our earth and who live a holy life can someday move on to become gods of there own planets, in the same way the God governs over our own.

As for the verses, the inhabited world they are referancing is in fact Earth. The inhabitants would be the Human species. God would have no reason of speaking about his own planet as inhabited, unless of course you are implying that God is a member of a large species, which again would cause me to re-direct you to the mormon thing. If the planet was only inhabited by one person, it would be redundant for that person to say the planet was inhabited as he would be talking about him/herself from somewhat of a 3rd person view. It’s illogical, as are most of the things you say, but then again, what do I know? I’m just the guy that goes and looks for facts.
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Derdev on Mormonism wrote: Mormanism uses the Christian bible, but with key chapters and verses changed in order to further there own beliefs. One of the primary beliefs of the Mormon church is that God once existed on a planet much like ours and that he ascended to a higher level, eventually becoming the God of our earth. According to the Mormon church all those who are born on our earth and who live a holy life can someday move on to become gods of there own planets, in the same way the God governs over our own.

As for the verses, the inhabited world they are referancing is in fact Earth. The inhabitants would be the Human species. God would have no reason of speaking about his own planet as inhabited, unless of course you are implying that God is a member of a large species, which again would cause me to re-direct you to the mormon thing. If the planet was only inhabited by one person, it would be redundant for that person to say the planet was inhabited as he would be talking about him/herself from somewhat of a 3rd person view. It’s illogical, as are most of the things you say, but then again, what do I know? I’m just the guy that goes and looks for facts.

lol there is no mormon group in the bible.
the group that stated there is church of god.
that is not our earth,his earth.
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Actually I can argue against the theology your using. For one, if a human being will never be able to understand/comprehend god then that means he is completely useless to us. Anyone who says we are unable to comprehend or understand god is basically admitting that he is useless to us.

— — > I think only stupid can talk such words... We human can understand Him by all His creations... That proves He exist... If life happen suddenly without God... afterwe dead then our life will end there... (For you)

Two, if scientific laws are a property of our universe. When you say god created scientific laws, that is not different from saying he created the universe. However, we have heard this claim millions of times and have yet to see any evidence of it.

— — > When I show the big bang from Qur’an and yet you deny that I pick lines from Qur’an not evidence... that is evidence that Qur’an is from GOD...

Three, isn’t that just too easy? Your claiming by fiat that god just happens to be beyond science and therefore doesn’t need the same kind of argument. If that kind of thing convinces you then your welcome.

— — > If you think sciences always true then you false... sciences proves the big bang which Qur’an stated that before, orbits, life from water (Evolution claim that life is from ocean=water), and the big crunch(it will happen but for evidence it not happen yet)...

So... to atheist people who dont believe in god even the god Himself show His Face and yet you will declare war to him... Oh... I know people like you and face someone like you before... unfortunately we have diff language... if we have the same language you cant win debating with me...

WTF...!!!


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Itachi Uchiha wrote: Actually I can argue against the theology your using. For one, if a human being will never be able to understand/comprehend god then that means he is completely useless to us. Anyone who says we are unable to comprehend or understand god is basically admitting that he is useless to us.

— — > I think only stupid can talk such words... We human can understand Him by all His creations... That proves He exist... If life happen suddenly without God... afterwe dead then our life will end there... (For you)

Two, if scientific laws are a property of our universe. When you say god created scientific laws, that is not different from saying he created the universe. However, we have heard this claim millions of times and have yet to see any evidence of it.

— — > When I show the big bang from Qur’an and yet you deny that I pick lines from Qur’an not evidence... that is evidence that Qur’an is from GOD...

Three, isn’t that just too easy? Your claiming by fiat that god just happens to be beyond science and therefore doesn’t need the same kind of argument. If that kind of thing convinces you then your welcome.

— — > If you think sciences always true then you false... sciences proves the big bang which Qur’an stated that before, orbits, life from water (Evolution claim that life is from ocean=water), and the big crunch(it will happen but for evidence it not happen yet)...

So... to atheist people who dont believe in god even the god Himself show His Face and yet you will declare war to him... Oh... I know people like you and face someone like you before... unfortunately we have diff language... if we have the same language you cant win debating with me...

WTF...!!!


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your quotes and athiest?
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I mean... you can read after the arrow...
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: I mean... you can read after the arrow...

if they dont belived in god.that means anti god.
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