B-L wrote:
Look I agree with you but you must understand something,the
are many versions of Spiderman.The first one was the one who could bench or lift 10tons,he wasn’t that strong and the likes of Kingpin could really put some fists on Spiderman.Then came the Spidey who could now bench and lift
25tons and Kingpin was no match for him.Since the writers increased Spiderman’s strength,his speed,reflexes and sharp
senses increased.I can undertand why Captian America almost
took out Spidey with that punch,after all that comic was olden day and Spiderman at that time could bend 10tons.
But his powers have increased now and Captian America won’t
stand a chance against this new Spidey.
Don’t forget Brandy,Spiderman is not the only one
who’s powers were increased by Marvel writers. Captian America’s powers also increased,so that puts him in the position that he had against Spiderman in the first place.
Hey my name is not Brandy,it’s Brandon.
Anyway let me continue on my theorys of
why Spiderman would beat Captian America.
Let’s look at Captian America first then
Spidey:
Captian America:
Strength- Can be strong as an athlete can
be,at this point the person I
think he can be strong as is Arnold
Swarztnegger at the fullest.
Speed- He can be as fast as an athlete can be
The fastest man who ran the marathon
and won the Olympics.Captian America
is fast as Michael Johnson-the American
Sprinter who holds world records in
holds world records in the 200 meters,
400 meters and 4 x 400 m relay.
Agility- As a agile as a human can be.
Reflexes- As reflexed as a human can be.
the Amazing Spiderman
Strength- Tracy Lee and Ryo Ketchum state that
Marvel states Spider-Man is strong as
47 men put together.
Speed- It is said in Wikipedia he is at 15times
faster than a man
Agility- He is known in Marvel as the the most
agile hero ever.
Reflexes- Marvel states is the most reflexed hero ever
Spider Sense- Spidey has something Captian America
doesn’t have-the spider sense that
warns him of any danger.
Sorry Brandon for calling you Brandy I was just fooling around.Look ok I agree Spiderman does outclass Captian America in powers but that’s not
the end of world for Captian America.You mention speed and strength are the most aspects of Spiderman to beat Captian America and you seen to
forget Captian America does have speed and strength.
In a comic cover it actually showed Captian America supporting a collasping building (like Superman did in the early cartoon series) but don’t worry,the building wasn’t that big and it was already in a mess falling apart.Captian America chased a man on a motocyle and caught up with him (well Cap actually took a short cut).
Well let’s look at the difference between the 2,I won’t get
started on the speed part,reflexes and agility because even
you state Spiderman outclassess Captian America.Let’s look
at the strength factor because this is what we are arguing
about the most consisting of these 2 heroes.
Captian America can bench 800 or 8000 pounds while Spiderman can bench 12tons and now 25tons.
A ton is more than a pound and that is enough to tell you Spider-Man beats Captian America with his strength only.
B-L wrote:
Well let’s look at the difference between the 2,I won’t get
started on the speed part,reflexes and agility because even
you state Spiderman outclassess Captian America.Let’s look
at the strength factor because this is what we are arguing
about the most consisting of these 2 heroes.
Captian America can bench 800 or 8000 pounds while Spiderman can bench 12tons and now 25tons.
A ton is more than a pound and that is enough to tell you Spider-Man beats Captian America with his strength only.
No no hold it right there!!! Look I already told you that Spiderman is stronger than Captian America but I think now you are just giving Spiderman too much credit.Your treating him like some kind of Superman and remember Spiderman is not going against Batman here,he is going against
Captian America-a super soldier.
Didn’t Captian America loose to Batman in the DC vs Marvel crossover? The reason why I’m asking that is because Captian America is a super soldier who lost to a human-Batman.So what are the chances of Captian America beating Spiderman if he still looses against a mortal Batman.
B-L wrote:
Didn’t Captian America loose to Batman in the DC vs Marvel crossover? The reason why I’m asking that is because Captian America is a super soldier who lost to a human-Batman.So what are the chances of Captian America beating Spiderman if he still looses against a mortal Batman.
My friend that comic was a flop and the credits were heavilty
given towards Batman, the writers did not know what they were
doing and the battle ended in a flop!!! Captian America is stronger
and faster than Batman,he would beat him in a brawl fight so why
Batman won is a mystery to me. Hey wait a minute, the reason why
Batman won was because he was voted more fans and hey didn’t
Spiderman himself loose to Batman in the Wizard Enterianment DC vs
Marvel?
He did and you know how Batman won? He used a nerve punch on Spidey.IMAGINE!!!! Spiderman has traded blows with so many guys who have super strength and now he looses to Batman? I would of understood if Batman pinned Spiderman using his weapons (because that is what he is good at thats
how he beats powerfull opponents) but beating Spiderman with a nerve punch? Come on.I saw a post from Tracy Lee saying some thug cracked a gun on Spiderman’s skull and he didn’t even feel it,now all of a sudden he looses to Batman
from a nerve punch? It just goes to show that DC and Marvel
writers need new writers because they don’t know what they are doing.
B-L wrote:
He did and you know how Batman won? He used a nerve punch on Spidey.IMAGINE!!!! Spiderman has traded blows with so many guys who have super strength and now he looses to Batman? I would of understood if Batman pinned Spiderman using his weapons (because that is what he is good at thats
how he beats powerfull opponents) but beating Spiderman with a nerve punch? Come on.I saw a post from Tracy Lee saying some thug cracked a gun on Spiderman’s skull and he didn’t even feel it,now all of a sudden he looses to Batman
from a nerve punch? It just goes to show that DC and Marvel
writers need new writers because they don’t know what they are doing.
I agree,look at Superboy vs Spider-Man and Lobo vs Wolverine....that crossover was a flop.I don’t
get the fact why Spidey defeated Superboy, I mean
Superboy is a younger version of Superman and he should of ended Spiderman with a blow.
And don’t get me started on the Lobo vs Wolverine
issue,let’s look at the different strenght factor
between the 2.Lobo is almost strong as Superman,
he can heal fast and doesn’t feel pain...hey he get’s punched by Doomsday and he justs jokes about.Wolverine? I don’t he can even lift a ton but hey he beats Lobo.There are so many holes in the DC/Marvel department and not to mention Spiderman stopping a train in Spider-Man 2.
That DC/Marvel crossover gave victory to the heroes who were voted more by fans,it had nothing to do with which hero was more powerfull.Lobo should of won against Wolverine and Superboy should of won against Spider-Man,but
hey like I said the heroes who won were the ones who were voted more.As for Spiderman stopping a train,I too agree with you.Spiderman in comics (even with that black suit) could never stop a speeding train,that’s Superman’s or Hulk’s job.Movies just powered him to much in Spider-Man 2,
I don’t think 47men combined are enough to stop a train.
Guile Grinder wrote:
That DC/Marvel crossover gave victory to the heroes who were voted more by fans,it had nothing to do with which hero was more powerfull.Lobo should of won against Wolverine and Superboy should of won against Spider-Man,but
hey like I said the heroes who won were the ones who were voted more.As for Spiderman stopping a train,I too agree with you.Spiderman in comics (even with that black suit) could never stop a speeding train,that’s Superman’s or Hulk’s job.Movies just powered him to much in Spider-Man 2,
I don’t think 47men combined are enough to stop a train.
True Guile and I agree that Spiderman isn’t strong enough to stop a train and also Superboy should of won against Spiderman.But for Captian America vs Spiderman then it’s Spiderman who is going to pick up the victory because he is more stronger,faster and he fights tougher villians and enemies than Captain America’s.
Your under restimating Captian America my friend,just because Spiderman fights tougher enemies does not mean he can beat Captian America.In comics you seem to forget that the Avengers face very powerfull forces like Thanoes and Galactis etc who are far more powerfull than Spiderman’s enemies.
In the Avengers animated movie it was the Avengers against the unstopable Hulk.Hulk was kicking the shit out of every hero there (including Thor) and guess who was there to take
the fight to the extreme-it was Captian America.The match just basically looked like Captain America vs Hulk rather than the Avengers vs Hulk.
Captian America was outsmarting Hulk with his skills and was even tradin blows with the Hulk (but in the end Cap was loosing).If you think I’m making this up rather than buying a DVD just to see the match,rather go to You Tube instead and type the Avengers and they are going to show that match which was 10minute something long,that is an incredible performance for a peak human going against Marvel’s strongest hero.
Andy Condor wrote:
Your under restimating Captian America my friend,just because Spiderman fights tougher enemies does not mean he can beat Captian America.In comics you seem to forget that the Avengers face very powerfull forces like Thanoes and Galactis etc who are far more powerfull than Spiderman’s enemies.
In the Avengers animated movie it was the Avengers against the unstopable Hulk.Hulk was kicking the shit out of every hero there (including Thor) and guess who was there to take
the fight to the extreme-it was Captian America.The match just basically looked like Captain America vs Hulk rather than the Avengers vs Hulk.
Captian America was outsmarting Hulk with his skills and was even tradin blows with the Hulk (but in the end Cap was loosing).If you think I’m making this up rather than buying a DVD just to see the match,rather go to You Tube instead and type the Avengers and they are going to show that match which was 10minute something long,that is an incredible performance for a peak human going against Marvel’s strongest hero.
Theres no need for me to go to You Tube because I
already have the DVD and I was impressed with Captian America’s performance against the Hulk- he put up a pretty good fight in there.OK you made your point on Captian America and the Avengers going against Hulk now I’m going to make
my point.
When I said Spiderman fights tougher villians that Cap’s,I did not say Spiderman fights tougher
villians than the Avengers’s villians.You brought
up that and I’ll even quote that
“In comics you seem to forget that the Avengers face very powerfull forces like Thanoes and Galactis etc who are far more powerfull than Spiderman’s enemies."
I did not say anything about Spiderman’s villians
being more powerfull than the Avengers’s villians
I said Spiderman’s villians are more powerfull than Captian America’s villians,not the Avengers FOR GOD’S SAKE.And while I’m there,Spiderman is always fighting his villians by himself with no help from anyone while Captian America relys on his team the Avenger’s to back him up.Imagine if it was Captian America versus the villians that the Avengers face-Galactis,Thanoes or Gladiator?
What would happen if Captian America faced these 3 villians? We are talking about a peak human with strength and speed of an athlete going against these 3 cosmic heroes.I’m sure you know the answer to that.
No my bad I made a mistake there,sure Spiderman does fight most of his villians alone but at times so does Captian America.But at times Spiderman himself does recieve help from other heroes.Look at the Marvel team like...
Spiderman and the Fantastic Four
Spiderman and the X-Men
And that dude is just naming a few,at times when Spiderman
faces his enemies he does require help like from the likes of the Black Kat.And at times it’s not like Spiderman always wins when he is fighting enemies,he does loose at times.Electro defeated Spiderman on one occassion,the Green
Goblin has also defeated Spiderman and Venum has also defeated him.So when Spiderman is facing his foes “by himself” he does loose,he doesn’t always win!!!!!
Andy Condor wrote:
No my bad I made a mistake there,sure Spiderman does fight most of his villians alone but at times so does Captian America.But at times Spiderman himself does recieve help from other heroes.Look at the Marvel team like...
Spiderman and the Fantastic Four
Spiderman and the X-Men
And that dude is just naming a few,at times when Spiderman
faces his enemies he does require help like from the likes of the Black Kat.And at times it’s not like Spiderman always wins when he is fighting enemies,he does loose at times.Electro defeated Spiderman on one occassion,the Green
Goblin has also defeated Spiderman and Venum has also defeated him.So when Spiderman is facing his foes “by himself” he does loose,he doesn’t always win!!!!!
I never said he always wins when he fights his foes,he does loose like every other hero out there.His not Superman you know (oh by the way the hero who gets beat by his enemies too like the likes of Conduit,Massarce and even Bizarro etc).Spiderman is not indestructable like Superman,sure he can get beat.Imagine if he won everytime he fought his foes,it would make him boring as well as the comic.It is understanable why he should loose to the likes of Electro,Venum
and Carnage etc-his villians are no candy bars for your information.Some of them are stronger and powerfull than Spidey,but Spidey still manages to beat them- 1 on 1.
Yes so what if he get’s help from the Black Kat?
Our hero does need help now and then,Captian America also get’s help from that Robin lookalike
partner of his.Every hero needs a partner from time to time and Captian America recieves more help from Spiderman.I hardly see comics of Captian America himself,he is always surrounded by the Avengers.Which proves my point that Spidey
fights most of his time himself than Captian America which is why I say agian that he would beat Captian America.
Spider-Man should beat Captain America. He outclasses him in every category except skill. However, there are factors that can allow Cap to win (as he did during Civil War).
1) Cap has studied Spider-Man’s fighting style since Spidey has been a part of New Avengers. Cap knows how Pete will react in a fight. He took advantage of this during the aforementioned Civil War battle, diverting Pete’s Spider-Sense with his ricocheting shield, then moving in to deliver a major blow.
2)Spider-Man idolizes Cap. He never wants to hurt him. Spidey simply holds back against Captain America. You can’t hold back against Cap and expect to win; he’s trained to take advantage of every weakness, including psychological. This was the basis for how Cap beat Spider-Man in Civil War. Spider-Man held back and Captain America capitalized on it.
Acrosurge wrote:
Spider-Man should beat Captain America. He outclasses him in every category except skill. However, there are factors that can allow Cap to win (as he did during Civil War).
1) Cap has studied Spider-Man’s fighting style since Spidey has been a part of New Avengers. Cap knows how Pete will react in a fight. He took advantage of this during the aforementioned Civil War battle, diverting Pete’s Spider-Sense with his ricocheting shield, then moving in to deliver a major blow.
2)Spider-Man idolizes Cap. He never wants to hurt him. Spidey simply holds back against Captain America. You can’t hold back against Cap and expect to win; he’s trained to take advantage of every weakness, including psychological. This was the basis for how Cap beat Spider-Man in Civil War. Spider-Man held back and Captain America capitalized on it.
He raises a valuble point.Spiderman can lift a surprising mass of 12tons in which now he can lift 25tons!!!! But Captian America’s punches are
not something to be taken lightly as well...
Andy Condor wrote:
No my bad I made a mistake there,sure Spiderman does fight most of his villians alone but at times so does Captian America.But at times Spiderman himself does recieve help from other heroes.Look at the Marvel team like...
Spiderman and the Fantastic Four
Spiderman and the X-Men
And that dude is just naming a few,at times when Spiderman
faces his enemies he does require help like from the likes of the Black Kat.And at times it’s not like Spiderman always wins when he is fighting enemies,he does loose at times.Electro defeated Spiderman on one occassion,the Green
Goblin has also defeated Spiderman and Venum has also defeated him.So when Spiderman is facing his foes “by himself” he does loose,he doesn’t always win!!!!!
I never said he always wins when he fights his foes,he does loose like every other hero out there.His not Superman you know (oh by the way the hero who gets beat by his enemies too like the likes of Conduit,Massarce and even Bizarro etc).Spiderman is not indestructable like Superman,sure he can get beat.Imagine if he won everytime he fought his foes,it would make him boring as well as the comic.It is understanable why he should loose to the likes of Electro,Venum
and Carnage etc-his villians are no candy bars for your information.Some of them are stronger and powerfull than Spidey,but Spidey still manages to beat them- 1 on 1.
Yes so what if he get’s help from the Black Kat?
Our hero does need help now and then,Captian America also get’s help from that Robin lookalike
partner of his.Every hero needs a partner from time to time and Captian America recieves more help from Spiderman.I hardly see comics of Captian America himself,he is always surrounded by the Avengers.Which proves my point that Spidey
fights most of his time himself than Captian America which is why I say agian that he would beat Captian America.
That is because you don’t read any Captian America comics,there are tons of comics featuring
Cap alone and no the Avengers are nowhere to be seen in that comic.I’ve read many comics of Captian America and I’ve seen him perform amazing
feats like supporting a falling building.Cap has faced many guys who have super strength and he has beaton them,he has faced the likes of Hulk and recieved KO shots from him and he still pretty much puts up a fight.So if Captian America
has faced Marvel’s strongets hero,what’s the big deal if he is facing a mutant only strong as 47men and 15times faster than a human.
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