| 06 Mar 2008 09:08 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 47  Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 8,766 OFFLINE | Spiderman vs a man with a shield.
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Is this serious.
A man with a Shield
A Shield
Who thought this up
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| 06 Mar 2008 10:32 am |
Andy Condor Guest | SunWeb not home wrote:
Spider-man was facing Hulk, Juggernaut, Carnage, Magneto, Dr.Doom etc. So big deal Caps faced Hulk and servived.
They both faced the Hulk and neither of them won.
Thats the big deal.Anyway where were we Brandon?
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| 06 Mar 2008 10:49 am |
B-L Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
B-L wrote:
Andy Condor wrote:
No my bad I made a mistake there,sure Spiderman does fight most of his villians alone but at times so does Captian America.But at times Spiderman himself does recieve help from other heroes.Look at the Marvel team like...
Spiderman and the Fantastic Four
Spiderman and the X-Men
And that dude is just naming a few,at times when Spiderman
faces his enemies he does require help like from the likes of the Black Kat.And at times it’s not like Spiderman always wins when he is fighting enemies,he does loose at times.Electro defeated Spiderman on one occassion,the Green
Goblin has also defeated Spiderman and Venum has also defeated him.So when Spiderman is facing his foes “by himself” he does loose,he doesn’t always win!!!!!
I never said he always wins when he fights his foes,he does loose like every other hero out there.His not Superman you know (oh by the way the hero who gets beat by his enemies too like the likes of Conduit,Massarce and even Bizarro etc).Spiderman is not indestructable like Superman,sure he can get beat.Imagine if he won everytime he fought his foes,it would make him boring as well as the comic.It is understanable why he should loose to the likes of Electro,Venum
and Carnage etc-his villians are no candy bars for your information.Some of them are stronger and powerfull than Spidey,but Spidey still manages to beat them- 1 on 1.
Yes so what if he get’s help from the Black Kat?
Our hero does need help now and then,Captian America also get’s help from that Robin lookalike
partner of his.Every hero needs a partner from time to time and Captian America recieves more help from Spiderman.I hardly see comics of Captian America himself,he is always surrounded by the Avengers.Which proves my point that Spidey
fights most of his time himself than Captian America which is why I say agian that he would beat Captian America.
That is because you don’t read any Captian America comics,there are tons of comics featuring
Cap alone and no the Avengers are nowhere to be seen in that comic.I’ve read many comics of Captian America and I’ve seen him perform amazing
feats like supporting a falling building.Cap has faced many guys who have super strength and he has beaton them,he has faced the likes of Hulk and recieved KO shots from him and he still pretty much puts up a fight.So if Captian America
has faced Marvel’s strongets hero,what’s the big deal if he is facing a mutant only strong as 47men and 15times faster than a human.
The big deal is that you forget that this mutant which is strong as 47men and 15times faster than a human ALSO agility,reflexes (which outclass Captian America’s by the way) and has Spider-Sense.Captian America is not the only one who has
faced Hulk,Spiderman has also faced him in a number of times.And also let’s just be realistic for once,Captian America supporting a building?
Thats a man who can be strong as a human being can be support the weight of a building.Thats like saying Arnold Swarztnegger,the Big Show,Batista,Mark Henry,Big Daddy V,the Great Khali can support a the weight of a building.Do
you not think that Captian America writers are just boosting Cap’s strength to the extreme? BECAUSE HOW IN THE HELL CAN A STRENGHT OF A HUMAN
SUPPORT A BUILDING??????????????????????????????
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| 07 Mar 2008 07:18 am |
Andy Condor Guest | I don’t know honsetly but I also have a question for you and this one involves Spiderman.Spiderman can support 25 tons when stressed,fine no problem there.I doubt a train weights 25 tons but anyway,how can a mutant strong as 47men
stop a train? The biggest object Spiderman could lift up was a tank or a bus,not a train.So let me ask you.
Brandon,if you know your maths do you think having the strength of 47men can stop a SPEEDING TRAIN????????????????
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| 07 Mar 2008 07:36 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | B-L wrote:
Andy Condor wrote:
B-L wrote:
Andy Condor wrote:
No my bad I made a mistake there,sure Spiderman does fight most of his villians alone but at times so does Captian America.But at times Spiderman himself does recieve help from other heroes.Look at the Marvel team like...
Spiderman and the Fantastic Four
Spiderman and the X-Men
And that dude is just naming a few,at times when Spiderman
faces his enemies he does require help like from the likes of the Black Kat.And at times it’s not like Spiderman always wins when he is fighting enemies,he does loose at times.Electro defeated Spiderman on one occassion,the Green
Goblin has also defeated Spiderman and Venum has also defeated him.So when Spiderman is facing his foes “by himself” he does loose,he doesn’t always win!!!!!
I never said he always wins when he fights his foes,he does loose like every other hero out there.His not Superman you know (oh by the way the hero who gets beat by his enemies too like the likes of Conduit,Massarce and even Bizarro etc).Spiderman is not indestructable like Superman,sure he can get beat.Imagine if he won everytime he fought his foes,it would make him boring as well as the comic.It is understanable why he should loose to the likes of Electro,Venum
and Carnage etc-his villians are no candy bars for your information.Some of them are stronger and powerfull than Spidey,but Spidey still manages to beat them- 1 on 1.
Yes so what if he get’s help from the Black Kat?
Our hero does need help now and then,Captian America also get’s help from that Robin lookalike
partner of his.Every hero needs a partner from time to time and Captian America recieves more help from Spiderman.I hardly see comics of Captian America himself,he is always surrounded by the Avengers.Which proves my point that Spidey
fights most of his time himself than Captian America which is why I say agian that he would beat Captian America.
That is because you don’t read any Captian America comics,there are tons of comics featuring
Cap alone and no the Avengers are nowhere to be seen in that comic.I’ve read many comics of Captian America and I’ve seen him perform amazing
feats like supporting a falling building.Cap has faced many guys who have super strength and he has beaton them,he has faced the likes of Hulk and recieved KO shots from him and he still pretty much puts up a fight.So if Captian America
has faced Marvel’s strongets hero,what’s the big deal if he is facing a mutant only strong as 47men and 15times faster than a human.
The big deal is that you forget that this mutant which is strong as 47men and 15times faster than a human ALSO agility,reflexes (which outclass Captian America’s by the way) and has Spider-Sense.Captian America is not the only one who has
faced Hulk,Spiderman has also faced him in a number of times.And also let’s just be realistic for once,Captian America supporting a building?
Thats a man who can be strong as a human being can be support the weight of a building.Thats like saying Arnold Swarztnegger,the Big Show,Batista,Mark Henry,Big Daddy V,the Great Khali can support a the weight of a building.Do
you not think that Captian America writers are just boosting Cap’s strength to the extreme? BECAUSE HOW IN THE HELL CAN A STRENGHT OF A HUMAN
SUPPORT A BUILDING??????????????????????????????
Good question
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| 07 Mar 2008 07:41 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
I don’t know honsetly but I also have a question for you and this one involves Spiderman.Spiderman can support 25 tons when stressed,fine no problem there.I doubt a train weights 25 tons but anyway,how can a mutant strong as 47men
stop a train? The biggest object Spiderman could lift up was a tank or a bus,not a train.So let me ask you.
Brandon,if you know your maths do you think having the strength of 47men can stop a SPEEDING TRAIN????????????????
Good question
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| 07 Mar 2008 12:21 pm |
B-L Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
I don’t know honsetly but I also have a question for you and this one involves Spiderman.Spiderman can support 25 tons when stressed,fine no problem there.I doubt a train weights 25 tons but anyway,how can a mutant strong as 47men
stop a train? The biggest object Spiderman could lift up was a tank or a bus,not a train.So let me ask you.
Brandon,if you know your maths do you think having the strength of 47men can stop a SPEEDING TRAIN????????????????
No that is definately not possible and yes he was
given a boost there but Cap himself was given a boost in that comic where he supported a building
Again Andy I’m bring up the strength factor because I can see your taking Spiderman’s strength lightly
Spiderman can bend 12 tons in which now he can bend 25 tons now.
Captian America can bend 800 pounds
Now look at the difference- A ton and a pound
How many pounds make a ton? And I’ll let you use your matchs skills to figure this one out
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| 08 Mar 2008 02:13 am |
Andy Condor Guest | Look I already told you that when it comes to the strength factor and speed factor (not to mention speed and agility) Spiderman outclassess Captian America-I don’t know how many
times you want me to say that.I can see you have a problem with Cap supporting a building,look the building was not those Skyscrapers you see on tv or the buildings that Superman was supporting in the very first 10minute cartoon series of Superman.I told you that the building that Cap was supporting wasn’t that big and it arleady looked like it was going to fall apart.
The ton and pound issue-yeah I know how many pounds make a ton.Again the strength factor is not the issue here,Cap has
fought villians with super human strength (some of them stronger than Spidey) and has beaton them.Captian America has performed remarcable feats that an ordinary athlete could not perform
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| 08 Mar 2008 01:26 pm |
B-L Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
Look I already told you that when it comes to the strength factor and speed factor (not to mention speed and agility) Spiderman outclassess Captian America-I don’t know how many
times you want me to say that.I can see you have a problem with Cap supporting a building,look the building was not those Skyscrapers you see on tv or the buildings that Superman was supporting in the very first 10minute cartoon series of Superman.I told you that the building that Cap was supporting wasn’t that big and it arleady looked like it was going to fall apart.
The ton and pound issue-yeah I know how many pounds make a ton.Again the strength factor is not the issue here,Cap has
fought villians with super human strength (some of them stronger than Spidey) and has beaton them.Captian America has performed remarcable feats that an ordinary athlete could not perform
Fine leaving out the strength factor,lets get to the speed factor.Spiderman is 15 times faster than a human and can dodge bullets and lasers if he is far enough.It is impossible to hit him and let alone if he is punched by a human,he can’t feel pain at times he even jokes about it.Looking
at Marvel Knights,a thug hit Spiderman with a gun
on his head and Spidey said the impact of the gun
tickled.Spiderman holds back when he is fighting ordinary guys and he even knocked a guy off who tried impersonating him with a finger.
Captian America qualifies for all those human fiets in which human beings can’t do to Spiderman
Spiderman is a mutant and Captian America is a human-just like Batman.
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| 09 Mar 2008 06:11 am |
Andy Condor Guest | Theres just one problem there mate,all those human feits in
which Spiderman outclass is just-ordinary human feits in which Captian America outclassess.Captian America is human like Batman? What are you nuts!!? Batman is just a human with gadgets,martial arts and a smart brain.Captian America
is a Super Soldier,he is more stronger and faster than Batman and can endure more pain than Batman can.
Spiderman knocking a thug with a finger? Don’t you think thats too much strength for a guy strong as almost 50 men?
I saw Superboy (the original Clark Kent from Smallville) knocking out a Chinese thug using the same technique Spiderman used.So what does that mean? Is Spiderman strong as Superboy? I seroiusly doubt
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| 09 Mar 2008 06:16 am |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | I think Caps can beat the Webhead.
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| 09 Mar 2008 10:12 am |
B-L Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
Theres just one problem there mate,all those human feits in
which Spiderman outclass is just-ordinary human feits in which Captian America outclassess.Captian America is human like Batman? What are you nuts!!? Batman is just a human with gadgets,martial arts and a smart brain.Captian America
is a Super Soldier,he is more stronger and faster than Batman and can endure more pain than Batman can.
Spiderman knocking a thug with a finger? Don’t you think thats too much strength for a guy strong as almost 50 men?
I saw Superboy (the original Clark Kent from Smallville) knocking out a Chinese thug using the same technique Spiderman used.So what does that mean? Is Spiderman strong as Superboy? I seroiusly doubt
You know how comic writers operate and sometimes they go overboard with Spiderman in comics. You keep on ignoring the speed factor issue so I’ll break this down for you
Speed of Spiderman against humans
Spiderman is 15 times faster than a human which makes it impossible to touch him (not that if he was punched would do any difference)
Speed of Spiderman against Batman
Since Batman’s ability is at an athlete’s superb form then Spiderman would be 13 or 12 times faster than Batman.Remember unlike Captian America,Batman is still human.
Speed of Spiderman against Captian America
Since Captain America is a Super Soldier and is himself fast,I would say Spiderman is 10 times or
even 9 times faster than him.
This means Captian America would hardly touch someone is faster than him-rather 9 times faster him.So how is Captian America going to compete with that?
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| 09 Mar 2008 12:21 pm |
Andy Condor Guest | Your going on like as if Spider-Man has super speed or something and I’ve seen many heroes hit Spiderman.I’m not ignoring Spiderman’s speed but at the same time you must stop making his “enhanced speed” to be like that of Wonder Woman’s or the Flash.Yes Cap is slower than him but to say
Spiderman is 10 times faster than him?!?! Captian America himself is fast,very fast (perhaps faster than the fastest sprinter on earth) and I’ve seen Cap catching up with a motor cycle.Spiderman’s speed isn’t that much of a threat against Captian America
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| 10 Mar 2008 01:18 pm |
B-L Guest | Andy Condor wrote:
Your going on like as if Spider-Man has super speed or something and I’ve seen many heroes hit Spiderman.I’m not ignoring Spiderman’s speed but at the same time you must stop making his “enhanced speed” to be like that of Wonder Woman’s or the Flash.Yes Cap is slower than him but to say
Spiderman is 10 times faster than him?!?! Captian America himself is fast,very fast (perhaps faster than the fastest sprinter on earth) and I’ve seen Cap catching up with a motor cycle.Spiderman’s speed isn’t that much of a threat against Captian America
Ok Andy I get what your saying but in any way you
look at it,Spiderman is still faster than Captian
America.Spidey does not possess super human speed
but the fact he can’t be touched and can dodge bullets (even at close range) does make him kind of “a guy with super human speed”.Spidey’s speed may not be like the Flash’s speed but it’s still something not to be taken lightly and he has dodged blows from the likes of Hulk and claws from the likes of Wolverine
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| 10 Mar 2008 10:01 pm |
Regular Rep: 3 Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 885 OFFLINE | uhmmmm, spidey cant beat captain america in the civil war story arc. and spidey was using the stark armor, so........
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| 11 Mar 2008 05:31 am |
Andy Condor Guest | B-L wrote:
Andy Condor wrote:
Your going on like as if Spider-Man has super speed or something and I’ve seen many heroes hit Spiderman.I’m not ignoring Spiderman’s speed but at the same time you must stop making his “enhanced speed” to be like that of Wonder Woman’s or the Flash.Yes Cap is slower than him but to say
Spiderman is 10 times faster than him?!?! Captian America himself is fast,very fast (perhaps faster than the fastest sprinter on earth) and I’ve seen Cap catching up with a motor cycle.Spiderman’s speed isn’t that much of a threat against Captian America
Ok Andy I get what your saying but in any way you
look at it,Spiderman is still faster than Captian
America.Spidey does not possess super human speed
but the fact he can’t be touched and can dodge bullets (even at close range) does make him kind of “a guy with super human speed”.Spidey’s speed may not be like the Flash’s speed but it’s still something not to be taken lightly and he has dodged blows from the likes of Hulk and claws from the likes of Wolverine
Obvoiusly Captian America can’t beat Spidey in a foot race but Cap’s speed is far greater than that of a human’s or athlete which means Spidey’s
speed isn’t going to be that much of a threat against Cap.Hulk and Wolverine are slow so it is understandable for Spidey to dodge them,Cap could
too dodge them because he has faced them both.
I think your getting carried away with Spiderman’s speed,in the Marvel database his speed is 5/10 or 4/10.Remember Spidey’s speed is triggered by that spider sense of his which warns
him of danger.That is how he can dodge bullets, dodge blows from villians and dodge lasers.It’s all thanks to his spider sense because without it
then his speed will be useless.
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| 11 Mar 2008 10:56 am |
B-L Guest | Your right Spidey’s speed is triggered by his spider sense,
which then means again to what I was saying earleir on that
it’s going to be hard to touch Spidey.It is rare for him to
be hit,very rare
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| 11 Mar 2008 01:51 pm |
Andy Condor Guest | B-L wrote:
Your right Spidey’s speed is triggered by his spider sense,
which then means again to what I was saying earleir on that
it’s going to be hard to touch Spidey.It is rare for him to
be hit,very rare
Yes it is rare for humans but the likes Deadpool
and Iron Fist have touched him on many occassions
and not to mention Captian America himself.There
are ways to trigger Spiderman’s spider sense and Batman himself has does this beating Spiderman and not only him but also the likes of Venum,the Green Goblin and Carnage have altered Spiderman’s
spider sense
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| 11 Mar 2008 05:07 pm |
Regular Rep: 1 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 224 OFFLINE | When has Batman ever defeated Spider-Man by messing with his Spider-Sense? I submit that Bruce could do it, given prep time, but I do not recall an instance where he’s actually done it. They’ve only had one crossover.
And Spider-Man’s speed doesn’t come exclusively from his Spider-sense. The SS merely allows Spider-Man to do greater things with his superspeed, due to its nature, which is pre-cognitive (he sees things before they happen).
His natural reflexes and speed have still allowed him to cope with villains like Venom and Carnage, who both possess a level of superhuman speed and naturally dampen Pete’s Spider-Sense ability.
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| 12 Mar 2008 05:49 am |
Apile-Li Guest | Acrosurge wrote:
When has Batman ever defeated Spider-Man by messing with his Spider-Sense? I submit that Bruce could do it, given prep time, but I do not recall an instance where he’s actually done it. They’ve only had one crossover.
And Spider-Man’s speed doesn’t come exclusively from his Spider-sense. The SS merely allows Spider-Man to do greater things with his superspeed, due to its nature, which is pre-cognitive (he sees things before they happen).
His natural reflexes and speed have still allowed him to cope with villains like Venom and Carnage, who both possess a level of superhuman speed and naturally dampen Pete’s Spider-Sense ability.
Andy’s right,Batman did defeat Spiderman and the comic wasn’t a crossover,it was a DC/Marvel team up.Spidey fought Batman in an alley and managed to punch the lights out of Bats,defeating him.
Batman went to his batcave and I was doing research on Spidey like he does to everyone and found Spidey was one of the good guys.
They then had a short rematch and Batman managed to trigger Spidey’s spider sense (but I can’t remember how).I think he used the same technique he used against Cap,but he used this time some kind of gas which worn out Spidey and Batman managed to land a batarang on his skull.
Spidey found himself in Batman’s cave and the 2 had a long talk,then they decided to team up with
each other against the Joker and Hobgoblin.The additional enemies were Kingpin and Thorn.
In terms of Spidey’s speed,it only comes in handy
when his spider sense triggers,he once that in a comic.The Green Goblin,Venum and Carnage are one of the villians immune to Spidey’s spider sense,
it’s stated in Wikipedia.
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