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Yea and Heero’s Gundam’s self destruct sequence was pathetic in comparison to Kira’s unit’s when they explode.
I saw how the 01 is incredibly bad at manuvere’s and moved rather slugish compared with the lighter more agile Strike witch with PS Armour can take blast’s normal mobile suit’s like the one’s hero fought wernt composed of Gundanium or had any sheilding so if your saying he can win cus he beat alot of Noob’s your dead wrong.

Zech’s was owning him in Talgese a unit 30yr’s prior the Gundam’s and it was his first test run, not to mention Zech’s in a Leo took Heero down in their first ever opening fight in Wing or did you forget that?

It’s not the power of the suit it’s the piolet and Kira is much more skilled at pioleting than Heero, you could even say it’s in his blood.

Kira’s Strike has a Hyper Intence Cannon (the big Cannon that fire’s red ray’s) it blew through a colony’s surport’s and the colony wall so id say it can go mono e mono with Wing 0, the Leo’s and Airies that Heero fought were pioleted by noob’s that had guard duty on a military base wow, Kira fought of Athrun Izzak Nicole and Deaka (4 coordinator’s who had prior training and wooped all of them) could Heero beat Trowa,Quatre,Duo,and Wufai at the same time i think not...hell in endless waltz he i owned by Wufai alone in a fair fight, AND i recall Trowa and Wufai beating Duo and Heero early on in that movie and captureing them.

Talgese wasnt as powerful but Zech’s was more skilled so he could take Heero in a less advanced suit.

How would he survive the explotion...

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that is canon just like talgeese 01.
strike has limited power compaired to 01.

lol you said hero is faster than computer.
kira is more skilled?
what skill? physical or computer?

canon?just like a building when the suported beams
of colony cant take it would going to dislocate.
what do you mean?
“How would he survive the explotion..."

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Man to Man is fighting like hand to hand or Close quater’s combat, i just dont know why were includeing phsical ability’s are they fighting in their suit’s or mono e mono face to face?

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if man to man he still no mach.

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Who Heero or Kira cus i just proved Heero is no match for Kira in a Gundam ANY Gundam he is smarter more durable and more skilled with tech, he has an asortment of weapon’s is lighter more agile and faster, and he beat 4 coordinator’s at once each skilled and trained, Heero failed against only Wu Fai never mind the rest or the team...

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your proof is failed againts hero and the zero.

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Explain to me why it fail’s what make’s Heero take the win?

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in physical he still no mach in computer also.
i know he can aslo control the mobile dolls.

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In pysical combat Kira is far superior to a human least of all a 15yr old kid lol as it explain’s a human cannot beat a Coordinator in a fight their naturaly good at anything they put their mind to, it show’s a part were a small Coordinator boy take’s on 6 bullies attacking him and he pwn’s all of them.

And dont be ridiculouse Kira make’s those Doctor’s who built the Gundam’s look like chump’s do you want to know what a Coordinator studies on a regular basis...?

In Gundam SeeD volume 2 DVD there is a small manual that explain’s what Coordinator’s study not only did they make the coolony’s they study these.

basic and applied microengineering

basic and clinicalmedicine,biochemistry,molecular biology,applied somatology

aerospace engineering,ship building

Astronamy, astrophysic’s,cosmology,space life sciance’s

Applied mech engineering,basic and aplied metullurgy, appliedmaterials engeneering, robotic’s engineering.

basic and applied agricultural sciance, social engineering

basic and applied chemistry

basic physic’s,theoretical physic’s,partical physic’s,higher dimentional physic’s,mathmatic’s

electronic’s,informational sciance,AI engenering

Social Sciances

Multi perpose practical industrial engineering

Elementry education

So dont give me Heero is smarter with tech or in general

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far superior to human?it only affects the seed series not the wing.

how can he win against this?
ex:basic and applied chemistry.

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No because all human’s are still human’s in all Gundam series, there are New Type’s in SeeD who Coordinator’s are also better then just read this:

Coordinators are genetically enhanced human beings which possess a number of enhanced traits, including faster learning and stronger and faster bodies that are virtually immune to diseases. They are physically and mentally superior to baseline normal humans. Coordinators are feared and hated by normal humans. Hatred and envy of Coordinators stem from their superior abilities. Furthermore, one must not confuse Coordinators with Newtypes, such as in After War Gundam X. Unlike Newtypes, Coordinators were artificially created, and in some episodes of Gundam Seed, it was revealed that “genetic saturation” with succeeding generations were occurring. Newtypes represented the next stage in natural human evolution, while Coordinators seemed to hit an evolutionary standstill that could only be surpassed with more forced genetic manipulation, (which just compounds the initial problem).

“Ultimate” Coordinator

In the early 50’s, renowned scientist Professor Ulen Hibiki proposed the usage of an artificial womb to circumvent the natural womb’s shortcomings in order create an infant, which has all the intended genetic modifications without any deviations. This gives whoever is the Ultimate Coordinator superiority over the average Coordinators. Many “prototypes” failed, including Canard Pars, the only known one to have survived, before the last and successful “Ultimate Coordinator”, Hibiki’s son Kira Yamato, was born on May 18, CE 55. Kira grew up completely unaware of his origins until later during the Bloody Valentine War.

SEED factor

SEED factor (Superior Evolutionary Element Destined-factor) is a controversial and as yet unproven theory about the continuation of human evolution. Both Coordinators and Naturals can possess “the SEED," and those who do are thought by some to be the next stage of human development. This bears some similarity to the Newtype theory of the Universal Century, but the abilities of those with SEED factor appear to be unrelated to Newtype potential. While acceptance of SEED theory is limited, Orb engineer Erica Simmons and prominent religious leader and peace activist Reverend Malchio are known adherents of the theory.

SEED mode represents the ability for an individual with the SEED factor to enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability. While in this state, the person (usually a mobile suit pilot, but not necessarily) demonstrates heightened reflexes and extremely quick information processing. This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation.

According to an interview with the producer on the official guide book, the producer claims that the SEED mode is like people having superhuman strength during an outbreak of fire and can carry extremely heavy weight out of the fire scene but can never even dream of carrying in normal daily life.

It is demonstrated visually by cutting to the image of a jewel-like seed, its color matching the color of the experiencer’s eyes, dropping from the above and exploding in a shower of light just above the eyes. The physical characteristics are the shrinking of the pupil and growth of the iris. When in SEED mode, a person exceeds his or her normal physical and mental limits. Andrew Waltfeld once likened SEED mode to the berserkers of Norse legend, but this is not entirely accurate. Waltfeld mistakenly categorizes the visual effect of SEED as a berserker warrior. Waltfeld, like some viewers of the SEED shows equate an increase in the number of kills with a loss of control. However, it is more likely that the enhanced senses provided by the SEED factor allow the pilot to more easily best their opponents. For example, in Kira Yamato’s battles against Waltfeld, his SEED factor resulted in instantaneous recalculations of his suit’s OS and highly inventive tactics as display in Phase 18 during his battle against a squad of BuCUEs. Shinn Asuka also displays a heightened tactical ability when using his SEED as seen during his battle with Kira’s Freedom.

There are two observed ways that SEED mode can be activated. When a character suddenly resolves to protect his allies or to strike down his enemies during battle, however, it also happens when a character has entered battle with a particular resolve, he may trigger SEED mode at will. A character’s state of mind when he enters SEED mode appears amplified. Entering it through the first way, in response to the stress of battle, is most commonly (but not always) caused by anger or rage. Despite appearances, the person is not completely out of control. The heightened awareness and ability allows the person to fight more efficiently, often resulting in a much higher kill count. Because of this fact, many assume that the person is completely out of control, when that is not really the case (which is evidenced by Shinn’s inventive strategies) On the other hand, those who enter it the second way (or the first way with a calm state of mind) display an increased amount of mental control.





Uses

Kira Yamato and Cagalli Yula Athha originally entered SEED mode via the first method, though Kira attained the ability to use the second method shortly after he was beaten by Athrun, once he had received the ZGMF-X10A Freedom and had decided what it was he needed to fight for.

In the Second Battle of Jachin Due during the first war, Lacus Clyne may have entered SEED mode after a long philosophical soliloquy about the nature of warfare and death. During the Battle of Messiah in the second war, Lacus sensed Kira and was in SEED mode yet again.

Shinn Asuka, the only new pilot in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny to achieve the SEED mode, always uses the first method in response to his rage over the events of the battle he is in at the time. The first way of entering SEED mode changes in Gundam SEED Destiny. When Shinn enters SEED mode it is shown that the SEED explodes (with more color) and zooms out from the eye.


SEED mode can only be entered by characters who can commit themselves fully to a battle for some strong reason. For this reason, Athrun Zala and Cagalli have both been unable to demonstrate their SEED abilities in earlier parts of Gundam SEED Destiny, due to Athrun’s doubts about whether ZAFT is really justified to fight this war and Cagalli’s reservations about whether her interventionism is the best way to protect Orb from the war. Kira, however, has been able to activate his SEED mode at will all throughout Gundam SEED Destiny, because he is motivated to protect his friends (and indeed, the entire world) from aggressive powers.


Eligibility

Some fans who are new to the SEED universe think that only Coordinators have SEED abilities, which often leads them to wonder if Cagalli Yula Athha is actually a Coordinator. The explanation for this common mistake is that the writers have a preference for Coordinators and similar individuals; this is also the reason why almost every important pilot in the series is either a Coordinator or an Extended. Hence, Cagalli is apparently the only Natural pilot with SEED abilities. Cagalli’s genetic type is never fully explored in the first place. While Cagalli Yula Athha clearly states that she is a Natural and it would appear in the flashbacks that her biological mother is pregnant with her (indicating she was to be born without genetic enhancements, whereas Kira developed in an artificial womb), it is possible that, since she is Kira’s twin, she may have undergone some genetic enhancement, though this is highly unlikely.

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it does not help.

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How about instead of saying it does not help you actually refute something.

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ive already proved how hero and zero can win against the seed.

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Direct me to this post.All I’ve seen is the usually crap about gundamium alloy.

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read it again stupid.

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Now all I read was a bunch of crap about Heero is better but wait wheres your proof?Your just saying this but not backing it up.

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what i said is what i saw.

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But it doesn’t look credible.Kyle is posting facts and things the creators have actually said plus videos to back up his claims.All your saying is Heero is more skilled but you aren’t providing a thing to back it up.Anyway this thread has gotten way off target.If we are to continue the discussion we should make a new thread.

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a soldier is not skill?