I do not think Jesus (pbuh) is God (SWT). If he was, then why would he have said “Why do you call me good? There are none good but God (SWT)." But before you jump on me, YES he is one of my prophets just not as elevated in status as the Christians made him out to be.
Last edited 30 Jan 2008 11:33 pm by Sean of the Living
In fact, Jesus (pbuh) NEVER said he was God (SWT). He said he was the Son of Man. In fact, he never even said he was the Son of God (SWT), let alone God (SWT) himself. I think if Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) it would have been important enough be be worth mentioning.
Last edited 30 Jan 2008 11:33 pm by Sean of the Living
Sean of the Living wrote:
In fact, Jesus (pbuh) NEVER said he was God (SWT). He said he was the Son of Man. In fact, he never even said he was the Son of God (SWT), let alone God (SWT) himself. I think if Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) it would have been important enough be be worth mentioning.
Sean of the Living wrote:
In fact, Jesus (pbuh) NEVER said he was God (SWT). He said he was the Son of Man. In fact, he never even said he was the Son of God (SWT), let alone God (SWT) himself. I think if Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) it would have been important enough be be worth mentioning.
one of his apostol said he is a god.
Well why didn’t Jesus (pbuh) say it? I think he would have known if he was God (SWT) and that a fact as big as that would have been important enough to mention.
Sean of the Living wrote:
In fact, Jesus (pbuh) NEVER said he was God (SWT). He said he was the Son of Man. In fact, he never even said he was the Son of God (SWT), let alone God (SWT) himself. I think if Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) it would have been important enough be be worth mentioning.
one of his apostol said he is a god.
Well why didn’t Jesus (pbuh) say it? I think he would have known if he was God (SWT) and that a fact as big as that would have been important enough to mention.
well i dont know but the apostol said that in front of him.
edit:
he is not humble.
zeta_evolved wrote:
I heard Muslims liked Jesus
but that stopped when he called him self the son of god
am i right?
No. Jesus (pbuh) is one of the most glorified prophets in the Quran, but he NEVER called himself God (SWT). Other people made that assumption. In other words, Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet, but NOT God (SWT) or the son of God (SWT).
seed wrote:
but its true he is the son of god the inteligence of god.
because muhamad is son of god?
No. We do not believe Muhhamed (SAW) was the son of God (SWT). Muhhamed (SAW) was just a messenger who was told by the angel Gabriel to ressurect the true religion because we think the Christians and Jews got some of the ideas wrong. Muhhamed (SAW) was the final warning to the Jinn and Mankind that if we followed Iblis instead of God (SWT) and didn’t obey God’s (SWT) laws then we would end up in Hell.
Muhhamed (SAW) was simply a messenger to the Jinn and Mankind. Just like all the other prophets.
Last edited 31 Jan 2008 01:38 am by Sean of the Living
zeta_evolved wrote:
I heard Muslims liked Jesus
but that stopped when he called him self the son of god
am i right?
No. Jesus (pbuh) is one of the most glorified prophets in the Quran, but he NEVER called himself God (SWT). Other people made that assumption. In other words, Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet, but NOT God (SWT) or the son of God (SWT).
seed wrote:
but its true he is the son of god the inteligence of god.
because muhamad is son of god?
No. We do not believe Muhhamed (SAW) was the son of God (SWT). Muhhamed (SAW) was just a messenger who was told by the angel Gabriel to ressurect the true religion because we think the Christians and Jews got some of the ideas wrong. Muhhamed (SAW) was the final warning to the Jinn and Mankind that if we followed Iblis instead of God (SWT) and didn’t obey God’s (SWT) laws then we would end up in Hell.
Muhhamed (SAW) was simply a messenger to the Jinn and Mankind. Just like all the other prophets.
how did you know he is a messenger?
many people believed that christ is the mesenger he its been proven by books.
zeta_evolved wrote:
I heard Muslims liked Jesus
but that stopped when he called him self the son of god
am i right?
No. Jesus (pbuh) is one of the most glorified prophets in the Quran, but he NEVER called himself God (SWT). Other people made that assumption. In other words, Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet, but NOT God (SWT) or the son of God (SWT).
seed wrote:
but its true he is the son of god the inteligence of god.
because muhamad is son of god?
No. We do not believe Muhhamed (SAW) was the son of God (SWT). Muhhamed (SAW) was just a messenger who was told by the angel Gabriel to ressurect the true religion because we think the Christians and Jews got some of the ideas wrong. Muhhamed (SAW) was the final warning to the Jinn and Mankind that if we followed Iblis instead of God (SWT) and didn’t obey God’s (SWT) laws then we would end up in Hell.
Muhhamed (SAW) was simply a messenger to the Jinn and Mankind. Just like all the other prophets.
how did you know he is a messenger?
many people believed that christ is the mesenger he its been proven by books.
I just told you! We DO believe Jesus (pbuh) was a messenger, but we DON’T think he was God (SWT).
zeta_evolved wrote:
I heard Muslims liked Jesus
but that stopped when he called him self the son of god
am i right?
No. Jesus (pbuh) is one of the most glorified prophets in the Quran, but he NEVER called himself God (SWT). Other people made that assumption. In other words, Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet, but NOT God (SWT) or the son of God (SWT).
seed wrote:
but its true he is the son of god the inteligence of god.
because muhamad is son of god?
No. We do not believe Muhhamed (SAW) was the son of God (SWT). Muhhamed (SAW) was just a messenger who was told by the angel Gabriel to ressurect the true religion because we think the Christians and Jews got some of the ideas wrong. Muhhamed (SAW) was the final warning to the Jinn and Mankind that if we followed Iblis instead of God (SWT) and didn’t obey God’s (SWT) laws then we would end up in Hell.
Muhhamed (SAW) was simply a messenger to the Jinn and Mankind. Just like all the other prophets.
how did you know he is a messenger?
many people believed that christ is the mesenger he its been proven by books.
I just told you! We DO believe Jesus (pbuh) was a messenger, but we DON’T think he was God (SWT).
of course he is.
if i get the verse i will post that and also the apostol proving that.
I can prove Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT).
Now, I myself do not believe the Bible as a whole, especially the new testament, but if your Bible states it and you truly follow it you cannot be against it.
Matthew:
19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus (pbuh) clearly made himself VERY seperate from God (SWT) in that verse of your Bible. So, if you truly believe your Bible, or you believe the Quran, you must come to the conclusion that Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT) If Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) he would need to be 100% perfect just like God (SWT) and he has clearly denied being so. If what he said was false that would make him a liar and God (SWT) does not lie.
Last edited 31 Jan 2008 11:54 pm by Sean of the Living
here from john 1:14
the “WORD” became flesh and dwellt among us and we beheld his glory,the glory as of the only begotten of the father,full of grace and truth.
Sean of the Living wrote:
I can prove Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT).
Now, I myself do not believe the Bible as a whole, especially the new testament, but if your Bible states it and you truly follow it you cannot be against it.
Matthew:
19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus (pbuh) clearly made himself VERY seperate from God (SWT) in that verse of your Bible. So, if you truly believe your Bible, or you believe the Quran, you must come to the conclusion that Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT) If Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) he would need to be 100% perfect just like God (SWT) and he has clearly denied being so. If what he said was false that would make him a liar and God (SWT) does not lie.
seed wrote:
here from john 1:14
the “WORD” became flesh and dwellt among us and we beheld his glory,the glory as of the only begotten of the father,full of grace and truth.
Well then, my quote from you gospel points out a contradiction. Besides, that’s just an APOSTLE speaking. Who do you think knows more about Jesus (pbuh)? An apostle, or himself? Jesus (pbuh) HIMSELF stated HE WAS NOT GOD (SWT).
Sean of the Living wrote:
I can prove Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT).
Now, I myself do not believe the Bible as a whole, especially the new testament, but if your Bible states it and you truly follow it you cannot be against it.
Matthew:
19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus (pbuh) clearly made himself VERY seperate from God (SWT) in that verse of your Bible. So, if you truly believe your Bible, or you believe the Quran, you must come to the conclusion that Jesus (pbuh) is not God (SWT) If Jesus (pbuh) was God (SWT) he would need to be 100% perfect just like God (SWT) and he has clearly denied being so. If what he said was false that would make him a liar and God (SWT) does not lie.
WHO IS JESUS FOR YOU?
I have told you many times.
Jesus (pbuh) is a PROPHET. Just like Adam, Noah, Muhammed, Moses and many others (pbuta), he was a PROPHET working for God (SWT).
He was not the son of God (SWT).
He was not God (SWT).
He was a prophet.
Last edited 01 Feb 2008 12:18 am by Sean of the Living
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