| 04 Feb 2008 07:08 am |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,533 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
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| 04 Feb 2008 04:49 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE | DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Why should this apply to Atheists and noone else?
It’s because they say we cannot make an assumption on a negative.
They have not been able to prove their existance, so why should I believe in THEM any more than they believe in God?
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| 04 Feb 2008 04:52 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
It could be hallucinated, imagined or misunderstood. You can’t assume I’m speaking to you now and nor can I for you, we can’t be sure the universe exists. Neither of us can be sure it’s not a creation of our subconscious mind.
It justifies faith because you have no problem believing in me, which noone can prove exists, but you don’t believe in God, who is the same case.
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| 04 Feb 2008 04:56 pm |
hahahahaha Rep: 27 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,050 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
kev360 wrote:
“i think, therefore i am." the only thing we can possibly be certain of is that we exist. our own existance confirms it. everything else is just what we perceive, if we are truly perceiving anything at all.
Well, do you think that one could give their dreams their own thoughts and feelings as concious beings?
dreams don’t have thoughts and feelings. your thoughts and feelings are projected through them.
the point is, from my perspective, for all i know, i’m in a coma somewhere and all this is a giant hallucination. from your point of view, the same could be said about you and, hell, i could be a part of you subconscious trying to tell you what is going on. you could be just insane and hallucinating everything. hell, who’s to say you are even human? you could be the last of some alien race who locked yourself into some giant simulation. the possibilities are endless. we CANNOT know beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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| 04 Feb 2008 08:28 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,533 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
It could be hallucinated, imagined or misunderstood. You can’t assume I’m speaking to you now and nor can I for you, we can’t be sure the universe exists. Neither of us can be sure it’s not a creation of our subconscious mind.
It justifies faith because you have no problem believing in me, which noone can prove exists, but you don’t believe in God, who is the same case.
lol, your on crack. No scientist, or any rational person for that matter, would take your argument seriously. By what you said, you can legally be put in a mental asylum.
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| 04 Feb 2008 10:03 pm |
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| 05 Feb 2008 01:11 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE | Atresac wrote:
OWTTA HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE
If you don’t like the thread don’t fucking post.
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| 05 Feb 2008 01:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
It could be hallucinated, imagined or misunderstood. You can’t assume I’m speaking to you now and nor can I for you, we can’t be sure the universe exists. Neither of us can be sure it’s not a creation of our subconscious mind.
It justifies faith because you have no problem believing in me, which noone can prove exists, but you don’t believe in God, who is the same case.
lol, your on crack. No scientist, or any rational person for that matter, would take your argument seriously. By what you said, you can legally be put in a mental asylum.
That’s rich, coming from a guy that believes in Zeitgeist The Movie.
If my claims are so “insane” then why can’t you debunk them?
Maybe we should put all people with different beliefs in mental asylums? Or just “educate” them from an early age into believing the “truth”?
DrumIntoTheNight wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Why should this apply to Atheists and noone else?
I’m trying to make a point that sometimes we need to have faith and just assume things on a negative or we get too open minded and sit around wondering about stupid stuff like whether we exist or not.
Of course, to them their logic only applies when they want it to apply...
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| 05 Feb 2008 01:17 am |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Or we can just accept the fact that not everyone has the same beliefs as us.
Naw...
That wouldn’t be stupid enough.
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| 17 Apr 2008 08:25 pm |
athiest angel Guest | cant be proven
for all i know i am a figment of ur imagination... but for all you know, your just a figment of mine.
nothing can be proven.
you cant even prove that ur awake!
you could be dreaming...
in a coma...
dead.
is life itself even real?
life cant be proven.
nor can colors cant be proven.
what you call red may be blue to me.
how could you ever know? you cant see what i see..
why do people sense things differently?
i like the smell of gasoline while others pinch their nose to it.
i like broccoli and spinach while others are disgusted by the very word.
why do people believe they are always right no matter how right the other person believes they are?
life is a game. the world is your play toy.
nothing truly exists.
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| 17 Apr 2008 08:31 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
Well the first definition of faith I found was: confidence or trust in a person or thing
So, in a way atheists DO have faith because technically, we can’t be beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% prove some things we believe in. Sean took it to the extreme with the whole not being able to prove existance thing but...
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| 17 Apr 2008 08:34 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23 Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,685 OFFLINE | i think therefore i am
you can also go with the reverse argument
i made you up in my head and made you say that and made you think everything you did but made you think that you have free will to think, so i exist and you don’t
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| 17 Apr 2008 08:45 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29 Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | I think you are confused between Atheism and Nihilism. Atheism is just the belief that god does not exist. Nihilism is the belief that nothing truly exists in a certain state.
Perhaps I misread your question. Can you go into detail?
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| 19 Apr 2008 03:54 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,923 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
the point is, from my perspective, for all i know, i’m in a coma somewhere and all this is a giant hallucination. from your point of view, the same could be said about you and, hell, i could be a part of you subconscious trying to tell you what is going on. you could be just insane and hallucinating everything. hell, who’s to say you are even human? you could be the last of some alien race who locked yourself into some giant simulation. the possibilities are endless. we CANNOT know beyond a shadow of a doubt.
We can only assume that what appears to be comming through our 5 senses is reality to stop assumming this, would be completely and uttlerly useless in this world that we live in.
This is why we have prefected the scientific method, to sperated the most likly probablity from fact and fantasy.
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| 19 Apr 2008 03:56 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,923 OFFLINE | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
Well the first definition of faith I found was: confidence or trust in a person or thing
So, in a way atheists DO have faith because technically, we can’t be beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% prove some things we believe in. Sean took it to the extreme with the whole not being able to prove existance thing but...
When religion talks about faith, they talk about blind faith, and that is what most athesit point to when we are talking about faith, stop trying to play semantics and trying to suggest that what we see through our 5 senses is the same as the belief in any god.
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| 19 Apr 2008 03:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,923 OFFLINE | petrofsky wrote:
I think you are confused between Atheism and Nihilism. Atheism is just the belief that god does not exist. Nihilism is the belief that nothing truly exists in a certain state.
Perhaps I misread your question. Can you go into detail?
No he is trying to preach Nihilism because that way we wont be able to disprove something that hasnt been proven.
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| 19 Apr 2008 03:59 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,923 OFFLINE | athiest angel wrote:
cant be proven
for all i know i am a figment of ur imagination... but for all you know, your just a figment of mine.
nothing can be proven.
you cant even prove that ur awake!
you could be dreaming...
in a coma...
dead.
is life itself even real?
life cant be proven.
nor can colors cant be proven.
what you call red may be blue to me.
how could you ever know? you cant see what i see..
why do people sense things differently?
i like the smell of gasoline while others pinch their nose to it.
i like broccoli and spinach while others are disgusted by the very word.
why do people believe they are always right no matter how right the other person believes they are?
life is a game. the world is your play toy.
nothing truly exists.
What a moron.
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| 19 Apr 2008 04:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s simple.
Prove your own existance to me.
Prove you exist and aren’t just a creation of my subconcious mind.
Okay, but before I do I want you to prove your argument truly exists.
I can’t. Noone in here can prove their existance. What I’m trying to say is sometimes we all have to take a leap of faith and everyone has faith.
Whether you believe in ANYTHING or not, you can’t prove or disprove it and therefore it’s all faith in the end.
That whole argument can be crushed by one single statement; faith does not require evidence.
Your clearly talking to me, thats evidence that you exist. It’s not faith at all. Even if it was faith, it wouldn’t in ANY way justify faith in god.
Well the first definition of faith I found was: confidence or trust in a person or thing
So, in a way atheists DO have faith because technically, we can’t be beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% prove some things we believe in. Sean took it to the extreme with the whole not being able to prove existance thing but...
When religion talks about faith, they talk about blind faith, and that is what most athesit point to when we are talking about faith, stop trying to play semantics and trying to suggest that what we see through our 5 senses is the same as the belief in any god.
Your right, I kinda forgot about the blind faith thing.
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| 20 Apr 2008 05:49 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | Hmm... I forgot that you dont have soul gplex...
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| 20 Apr 2008 06:46 am |
The Dog-Mod! Rep: 52 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,840 | Ok, if you created me in your mind, making me a figment, create what I shall do next and tell me what I was doing.
If you can not do this, you can not say that I am a figment.
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