#181 05 Feb 2008 08:51 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34  Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
 | | | #182 05 Feb 2008 08:53 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
We’re not restricting what you can say.
Think of this like a school or a place of business. You’ve got to handle things in moderation.
Excessively flaming is already against site rules. We’re just going to be enforcing that rule more strictly.
Usually, we don’t ban or warn for it. It tends to just be an add on when we do ban somebody for other reasons. Now, however, we’re going to start enforcing it instead of tacking it on.
ah, yes, i see how restricting us from flaming isn’t restricting us at all. its actually FREEING us! we can say MORE now that we’re not allowed to say what we think about someone! great logic there buddy.
It is isn’t it?
When members aren’t too busy flamimg the shit out of each other they can start partaking in more meaningful or less hostile discussions.
yeah, cuz we all know we NEVER have non-flame filled conversations here. especially not now. nope. this is all one big flame fest.
| | #183 05 Feb 2008 08:53 pm |
Going Sentimental Rep: 27 Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7,796 | I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time. ---
"We can’t solve problems using the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
Procedure for Posting Images...General Rules | | #184 05 Feb 2008 08:55 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | goldenraptor wrote:
I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time.
Now when you take a side, the other side only gets more angry. It’s not like how it used to be. These flame wars continue day in and day out.
As you might have known, one of these flame wars compromised site security when a member took a mod’s account to ban somebody he had be quarreling with.
Things like this is unacceptable. It only happened because we didn’t step in and end the arguing before it hit a peak.
 Last edited 05 Feb 2008 08:56 pm by Cid | | #185 05 Feb 2008 08:55 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | I think some people here don’t like change. They simply won’t accept it. | | #186 05 Feb 2008 08:56 pm |
Going Sentimental Rep: 27Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7,796 | NEREVAR117- Sadly, I am becoming one of those people 
"We can’t solve problems using the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
Procedure for Posting Images...General Rules | | #187 05 Feb 2008 08:56 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57 Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time.
Now when you take a side, the other side only gets more angry. It’s not like how it used to be. These flame wars continue day in and day out.
As you might have known, one of these flamed wars compromised site security when a member took a mod’s account to ban somebody he had be quarreling with.
exactly, they would work themselves out if they were like the flames from the old times... but they have practicaly evolved...
 | | #188 05 Feb 2008 08:57 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
And that’s how it needs to be. We need to step in and calm things down before it gets so out of hand that instead of a warning a week or month ban is forced to be given.
| | #189 05 Feb 2008 08:58 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34 Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time.
Now when you take a side, the other side only gets more angry. It’s not like how it used to be. These flame wars continue day in and day out.
As you might have known, one of these flamed wars compromised site security when a member took a mod’s account to ban somebody he had be quarreling with.
If it were the way it used to be, there would be no complaints in the first place.
I was AIMING to get things to how they used to be, or something close to it. Some place where everyone could have their wanted fun bickering back and forth or just hanging out. None of this flooding shit or things that go on for a week or more. People aren’t sorting things out anymore on their own, people are being ignorant etc etc.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
 | | #190 05 Feb 2008 08:59 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem... ---
| | #191 05 Feb 2008 08:59 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
And that’s how it needs to be. We need to step in and calm things down before it gets so out of hand that instead of a warning a week or month ban is forced to be given.
tell me, cid. why is it that you want this place to be like any other forum? the fighting and drama is what makes this place interesting. people come here for entertainment. thats why people do most things. whats entertainment without conflict? look at any tv show, any movie, any video game, any book. how would it be if you took out the conflict? boring as fuck.
| | #192 05 Feb 2008 08:59 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | goldenraptor wrote:
NEREVAR117- Sadly, I am becoming one of those people
Well thats fine, but you need to accept it.
Forums change, new members come, old members go. The site grows in size, the style changes, the rules change.
This is not NEW moviecodec. This is simply Moviecodedc. there is no old Codec, it’s all the same thing, it’s just changing. It happens. Especially for such an old site.
Seriously, you just need to accept it and move on.
And even if things don’t work out, it will fix itself overtime. It always has, and it will continue so. | | #193 05 Feb 2008 09:00 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | goldenraptor wrote:
NEREVAR117- Sadly, I am becoming one of those people
When you’ve been through the old times, and you know what it was like and what it’s turned into, change is easy to become unwanted. Usually for fear of it getting worse.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
| | #194 05 Feb 2008 09:00 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
| | #195 05 Feb 2008 09:01 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
And that’s how it needs to be. We need to step in and calm things down before it gets so out of hand that instead of a warning a week or month ban is forced to be given.
tell me, cid. why is it that you want this place to be like any other forum? the fighting and drama is what makes this place interesting. people come here for entertainment. thats why people do most things. whats entertainment without conflict? look at any tv show, any movie, any video game, any book. how would it be if you took out the conflict? boring as fuck.
I believe that the majority of this site comes here for the community. To chat with people that share the same interests. To make friends, whatever. It’s not to see large outbreaks of flaming and get pornography in their personal messages.
| | #196 05 Feb 2008 09:03 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
And that’s how it needs to be. We need to step in and calm things down before it gets so out of hand that instead of a warning a week or month ban is forced to be given.
tell me, cid. why is it that you want this place to be like any other forum? the fighting and drama is what makes this place interesting. people come here for entertainment. thats why people do most things. whats entertainment without conflict? look at any tv show, any movie, any video game, any book. how would it be if you took out the conflict? boring as fuck.
I believe that the majority of this site comes here for the community. To chat with people that share the same interests. To make friends, whatever. It’s not to see large outbreaks of flaming and get pornography in their personal messages.
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
| | #197 05 Feb 2008 09:03 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
What’s funny is Carlee hated me then...but I ended up one of her best friends, lol
A lot of it even sorted itself out except for Zucas constantly going in there.
Then each of them left.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
| | #198 05 Feb 2008 09:03 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time.
Now when you take a side, the other side only gets more angry. It’s not like how it used to be. These flame wars continue day in and day out.
As you might have known, one of these flamed wars compromised site security when a member took a mod’s account to ban somebody he had be quarreling with.
If it were the way it used to be, there would be no complaints in the first place.
I was AIMING to get things to how they used to be, or something close to it. Some place where everyone could have their wanted fun bickering back and forth or just hanging out. None of this flooding shit or things that go on for a week or more. People aren’t sorting things out anymore on their own, people are being ignorant etc etc.
Yes, and what needs to be understood is that in order to get those more relaxed freedoms that we once had we must step up security. Show everyone who’s boss. Get rid of those who only seek to run off members with excessive flaming and trolling.
Once we get the members accustomed to behaving we’ll be able to start relaxing the rules again, because the site will be, more or less, tamed.
| | #199 05 Feb 2008 09:04 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
this goes out to both, so i’ll just put it in one. (weird, you both basic said the same thing..)
if you are RESTRICTING what people can or cannot say, how is that freedom? just because it makes someone feel bad doesn’t mean that its in any way taking away, or even hindering, their right to say whatever they want. i can say whatever the fuck i want, and its on whoever i’m talking to to decide if they want to respond or ignore me. restricting freedom of speech is in now way liberating us. you are a fool if you think that.
I think flaming a member on-and-off for roughly a month is pretty damned excessive...but what the fuck do I know, I’m only 15...
Yeah, GR nailed it best when he said it’s lost it’s edge and passion.
Guess the others were right when they said it was a stupid battle to try and fix it too.
first off, i’m against the excessive flaming rule, but i’m willing to have it applied in that situation. but, from the sound of it, what you and cid are suggesting, as soon as an argument gets out of hand, bans start getting handed out.
No, when an argument gets out of hand we step in and hand out warnings. If it continues, bans will be given.
it boils down to the same thing. if an argument gets out of hand, the mods step in.
And that’s how it needs to be. We need to step in and calm things down before it gets so out of hand that instead of a warning a week or month ban is forced to be given.
tell me, cid. why is it that you want this place to be like any other forum? the fighting and drama is what makes this place interesting. people come here for entertainment. thats why people do most things. whats entertainment without conflict? look at any tv show, any movie, any video game, any book. how would it be if you took out the conflict? boring as fuck.
I believe that the majority of this site comes here for the community. To chat with people that share the same interests. To make friends, whatever. It’s not to see large outbreaks of flaming and get pornography in their personal messages.
exactly, thats why i came here anyway, to talk to people with the same intrests as i have... or just to talk to people about real life and stuff... i dont want to watch people fight, or get in fights with people, i just wanna chat with my internet pals...
| | #200 05 Feb 2008 09:04 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,713 ONLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
What’s funny is Carlee hated me then...but I ended up one of her best friends, lol
A lot of it even sorted itself out except for Zucas constantly going in there.
Then each of them left.
the point is, that is more flaming from more people then is here, or has been here for the last year.
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