#201 05 Feb 2008 09:05 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34  Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
I apologize beforehand, I’m not adding anything useful*
I recall when there was a topic surrounding an animosity between to members, I stepped in not as a moderator but somebody who actively took sides. I can assure you it worked out by itself most of the time.
Now when you take a side, the other side only gets more angry. It’s not like how it used to be. These flame wars continue day in and day out.
As you might have known, one of these flamed wars compromised site security when a member took a mod’s account to ban somebody he had be quarreling with.
If it were the way it used to be, there would be no complaints in the first place.
I was AIMING to get things to how they used to be, or something close to it. Some place where everyone could have their wanted fun bickering back and forth or just hanging out. None of this flooding shit or things that go on for a week or more. People aren’t sorting things out anymore on their own, people are being ignorant etc etc.
Yes, and what needs to be understood is that in order to get those more relaxed freedoms that we once had we must step up security. Show everyone who’s boss. Get rid of those who only seek to run off members with excessive flaming and trolling.
Once we get the members accustomed to behaving we’ll be able to start relaxing the rules again, because the site will be, more or less, tamed.
Eh, if things align right, we could start to teach everyone to be governing themselves.
If, of course, things worked.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
 | | | #202 05 Feb 2008 09:05 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
 | | #203 05 Feb 2008 09:07 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,712 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
are you suggesting that every forum flourishes? hahaha
 | | #204 05 Feb 2008 09:08 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
What’s funny is Carlee hated me then...but I ended up one of her best friends, lol
A lot of it even sorted itself out except for Zucas constantly going in there.
Then each of them left.
the point is, that is more flaming from more people then is here, or has been here for the last year.
It’s more of a prolonged example of what Moviecodec was like; sorting out it’s own problems. It didn’t really get to finish and Zucas I don’t think made anything better, but he was the only real problem by the end of it. It settled down from anybody who liked the rev, to just Zucas. Problems nowadays are just constant bickering with nothing getting solved or truly accomplished.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
Last edited 05 Feb 2008 09:08 pm by Tyreaus Rhade | | #205 05 Feb 2008 09:08 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57 Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
sorry to say this, but if someone doesnt like the change thats going on, i think they should just leave and make their own free forum and start keeping things the same as old codec or something... that might teach them that they were wrong about change being bad... or at least keep them happy...
 | | #206 05 Feb 2008 09:09 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
NEREVAR117- Sadly, I am becoming one of those people 
Well thats fine, but you need to accept it.
Forums change, new members come, old members go. The site grows in size, the style changes, the rules change.
This is not NEW moviecodec. This is simply Moviecodedc. there is no old Codec, it’s all the same thing, it’s just changing. It happens. Especially for such an old site.
Seriously, you just need to accept it and move on.
And even if things don’t work out, it will fix itself overtime. It always has, and it will continue so.
bah | | #207 05 Feb 2008 09:10 pm |
Going Sentimental Rep: 27 Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7,796 | NEREVAR117 wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
goldenraptor wrote:
NEREVAR117- Sadly, I am becoming one of those people
Well thats fine, but you need to accept it.
Forums change, new members come, old members go. The site grows in size, the style changes, the rules change.
This is not NEW moviecodec. This is simply Moviecodedc. there is no old Codec, it’s all the same thing, it’s just changing. It happens. Especially for such an old site.
Seriously, you just need to accept it and move on.
And even if things don’t work out, it will fix itself overtime. It always has, and it will continue so.
bah
Humbub
I’m thinking of a response that address your rebuttal completely.
"We can’t solve problems using the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
Procedure for Posting Images...General Rules | | #208 05 Feb 2008 09:10 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,712 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
What’s funny is Carlee hated me then...but I ended up one of her best friends, lol
A lot of it even sorted itself out except for Zucas constantly going in there.
Then each of them left.
the point is, that is more flaming from more people then is here, or has been here for the last year.
It’s more of a prolonged example of what Moviecodec was like; sorting out it’s own problems. It didn’t really get to finish and Zucas I don’t think made anything better, but he was the only real problem by the end of it. It settled down from anybody who liked the rev, to just Zucas. Problems nowadays are just constant bickering with nothing getting solved or truly accomplished.
that thread flourished because of the hate, until it was eventually locked. and, no, it was more then him. it was any nintendo fan who went in there. not that it matters, because, if you remember, i support flaming. but, i think that is an example of when it was in excess.
| | #209 05 Feb 2008 09:12 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
are you suggesting that every forum flourishes? hahaha
I’m suggesting that when a forum gains popularity, more members come. When more members come it has to be moderated more strictly. When it is moderated more strictly it flourishes.
Look at this forum.
http://forums.adventchildren.net/
Now look at the rules they have in place.
http://forums.adventchildren.net/faq.php?faq=acf
That forum has over 27,000 registered members. Over 80,000 threads created. And nearly 3,000,000 posts made.
MovieCodec could be that, if things are handled better.
Last edited 05 Feb 2008 09:12 pm by Cid | | #210 05 Feb 2008 09:12 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,712 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
sorry to say this, but if someone doesnt like the change thats going on, i think they should just leave and make their own free forum and start keeping things the same as old codec or something... that might teach them that they were wrong about change being bad... or at least keep them happy...
why should the old members have to leave? that makes no sense. your saying that because the people who just got here don’t like how it is, everyone else should leave.
| | #211 05 Feb 2008 09:12 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36 Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,179 OFFLINE | This forum needs mods with more powers. >_> ---
 | | #212 05 Feb 2008 09:13 pm |
Going Sentimental Rep: 27Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7,796 | I am an advocate for change for the better. Overall, the quality of the site has improved exponentially. The issue comes with administrative status and power. Where do we draw the line?
I have no line. Everything is relative. I do not change from that, ever. I ban when I need to, otherwise, I moderate and let known. ---
"We can’t solve problems using the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
Procedure for Posting Images...General Rules | | #213 05 Feb 2008 09:13 pm |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
flames are getting bigger, so bigger measures need to be taken to put them out it would seem...
bullshit.
What’s funny is Carlee hated me then...but I ended up one of her best friends, lol
A lot of it even sorted itself out except for Zucas constantly going in there.
Then each of them left.
the point is, that is more flaming from more people then is here, or has been here for the last year.
It’s more of a prolonged example of what Moviecodec was like; sorting out it’s own problems. It didn’t really get to finish and Zucas I don’t think made anything better, but he was the only real problem by the end of it. It settled down from anybody who liked the rev, to just Zucas. Problems nowadays are just constant bickering with nothing getting solved or truly accomplished.
that thread flourished because of the hate, until it was eventually locked. and, no, it was more then him. it was any nintendo fan who went in there. not that it matters, because, if you remember, i support flaming. but, i think that is an example of when it was in excess.
I went in there and got flamed out. A few weeks later I went in there again and again and I was even accepted, and I was a big fan of the revolution at the time. They sobered down a lot from when I first walked in there.
-={Amin Wile Ilyamenie Liy End Rimmi Llie}=-
| | #214 05 Feb 2008 09:15 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
sorry to say this, but if someone doesnt like the change thats going on, i think they should just leave and make their own free forum and start keeping things the same as old codec or something... that might teach them that they were wrong about change being bad... or at least keep them happy...
why should the old members have to leave? that makes no sense. your saying that because the people who just got here don’t like how it is, everyone else should leave.
im not saying old members should leave, im saying anyone who has a problem with the changes that codec is going through should leave and make a freeforum or something with the rules of old codec and just hang out there or something..
| | #215 05 Feb 2008 09:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19 Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
you take away what makes this place interesting, it will collapse. i can guarantee that.
No, if we take away what you find interesting it will do what every other forum does, flourish.
Unless of course those who don’t want change become spiteful and ruin it for everybody.
sorry to say this, but if someone doesnt like the change thats going on, i think they should just leave and make their own free forum and start keeping things the same as old codec or something... that might teach them that they were wrong about change being bad... or at least keep them happy...
why should the old members have to leave? that makes no sense. your saying that because the people who just got here don’t like how it is, everyone else should leave.
im not saying old members should leave, im saying anyone who has a problem with the changes that codec is going through should leave and make a freeforum or something with the rules of old codec and just hang out there or something..
No, they don’t need to leave. They just need to have trust that when everything is said and done it’ll be better for everybody.
 | | #216 05 Feb 2008 09:17 pm |
Going Sentimental Rep: 27Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7,796 | This site has proven to be addicting. No body will leave just because of a few rules. We are just trying to make it a better place for everyone. ---
"We can’t solve problems using the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein
Procedure for Posting Images...General Rules | | #217 05 Feb 2008 09:18 pm |
SAMOŠ Rep: 34Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,712 OFFLINE | look, i have no power here. you guys are the mods. if you feel this is how it should be, make your decision. just know what the consequences will be. i’m not going to budge on this. i have set this line LONG ago. ---
| | #218 05 Feb 2008 09:18 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,179 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
look, i have no power here. you guys are the mods. if you feel this is how it should be, make your decision. just know what the consequences will be. i’m not going to budge on this. i have set this line LONG ago.
Weren’t you a mod?
| | #219 05 Feb 2008 09:19 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 57Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,398 OFFLINE | but what will stop them from complaining and flaming because of the changes??? i mean look at all the flame you got when you got Ty, Kev, and GN mod positions at the same time... they didnt want the change... im not realy saying they have to or should, it more that its an option... if they dont wanna deal with the change that is... ---
| | #220 05 Feb 2008 09:19 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | goldenraptor wrote:
This site has proven to be addicting. No body will leave just because of a few rules. We are just trying to make it a better place for everyone.
That is exactly what I’m trying to get at here. I’m glad that you agree.
We have to make it good for all members. That means supporting the wants of new members just as much as we do old members.
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