#21 04 Feb 2008 11:59 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 48  Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 14,761 OFFLINE | i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
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 | #22 04 Feb 2008 11:59 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | for me, i have to agree with the mods, NEREVAR117, and bant car dice. they point out good point to how mvc was and where it is heading if something isn’t done. and the mods can’t do everything. the users here could help out too without always relying on the mods to take care of every single problem. they are not wishmakers.
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 | | #23 05 Feb 2008 12:02 am |
The Pendragon Rep: 35 Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
He might take offence by it, but at the same time, it would take a load off his shoulders, and if it helps the site I’m sure he wouldn’t complain. He hasn’t assigned us as moderators for nothing either, and feedback wasn’t made just for nothing.
As for the chatroom, something was tried, but contacts couldn’t totally be made. At the moment, I think the best thing is to hold meetings through Feedback. (If need be, we could even all use a cipher to encrypt the messages, lol)
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 74 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 43,974 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
To be frank, being moderators, we should be able to define the parameters of the rules to our own consent. As the webmaster, Bjarne would be the one creating the rules, and we as the moderators would be the ones defining the limits.
As pointed out above, we enforce things far to differently. Some moderators are more lenient while others are more strict. Some mods enforce certain rules, other mods don’t.
I couldn’t tell you if this is because of a poor moderating team combination of if the rules are just too undefined and unspecific to be a reliable guide or not.
However, I think the general consensus will be that we need to be more consistent and strict. Which, I’m willing to do, but only if the rest of the team is willing to go about it as well.
Even though I’ve usually been the cautious person, I’d be one willing to be more strict. I’m slowly learning to use my pissy side a bit better now lol
Perhaps setting a moderator-formed set of rules with examples? (this may be elementary, but for some it could solve a lot of things and help even it out)
You do know, that we’re going to do this. We’re going to have to stop giving members special treatment. And I’m not talking about seniority either.
Most of the problems concerning use of certain words stem from the fact that we allow their use in certain threads and ban their use everywhere else.
One forum, one set of rules.
We either lift the ban on such words and allow them to be used freely or we take away privileges given to certain groups.
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12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
To be frank, being moderators, we should be able to define the parameters of the rules to our own consent. As the webmaster, Bjarne would be the one creating the rules, and we as the moderators would be the ones defining the limits.
As pointed out above, we enforce things far to differently. Some moderators are more lenient while others are more strict. Some mods enforce certain rules, other mods don’t.
I couldn’t tell you if this is because of a poor moderating team combination of if the rules are just too undefined and unspecific to be a reliable guide or not.
However, I think the general consensus will be that we need to be more consistent and strict. Which, I’m willing to do, but only if the rest of the team is willing to go about it as well.
Even though I’ve usually been the cautious person, I’d be one willing to be more strict. I’m slowly learning to use my pissy side a bit better now lol
Perhaps setting a moderator-formed set of rules with examples? (this may be elementary, but for some it could solve a lot of things and help even it out)
You do know, that we’re going to do this. We’re going to have to stop giving members special treatment. And I’m not talking about seniority either.
Most of the problems concerning use of certain words stem from the fact that we allow their use in certain threads and ban their use everywhere else.
One forum, one set of rules.
We either lift the ban on such words and allow them to be used freely or we take away privileges given to certain groups.
you should probably do both. if people can’t take what other people say here then they should not come here if they don’t want to. it is of their own free will. everyone should be treated equal, not above certain people.
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| | #26 05 Feb 2008 12:10 am |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,544 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
To be frank, being moderators, we should be able to define the parameters of the rules to our own consent. As the webmaster, Bjarne would be the one creating the rules, and we as the moderators would be the ones defining the limits.
As pointed out above, we enforce things far to differently. Some moderators are more lenient while others are more strict. Some mods enforce certain rules, other mods don’t.
I couldn’t tell you if this is because of a poor moderating team combination of if the rules are just too undefined and unspecific to be a reliable guide or not.
However, I think the general consensus will be that we need to be more consistent and strict. Which, I’m willing to do, but only if the rest of the team is willing to go about it as well.
Even though I’ve usually been the cautious person, I’d be one willing to be more strict. I’m slowly learning to use my pissy side a bit better now lol
Perhaps setting a moderator-formed set of rules with examples? (this may be elementary, but for some it could solve a lot of things and help even it out)
You do know, that we’re going to do this. We’re going to have to stop giving members special treatment. And I’m not talking about seniority either.
Most of the problems concerning use of certain words stem from the fact that we allow their use in certain threads and ban their use everywhere else.
One forum, one set of rules.
We either lift the ban on such words and allow them to be used freely or we take away privileges given to certain groups.
Well said.
I told you something was gonna happen soon, Cid.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | #27 05 Feb 2008 12:11 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Cid wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
To be frank, being moderators, we should be able to define the parameters of the rules to our own consent. As the webmaster, Bjarne would be the one creating the rules, and we as the moderators would be the ones defining the limits.
As pointed out above, we enforce things far to differently. Some moderators are more lenient while others are more strict. Some mods enforce certain rules, other mods don’t.
I couldn’t tell you if this is because of a poor moderating team combination of if the rules are just too undefined and unspecific to be a reliable guide or not.
However, I think the general consensus will be that we need to be more consistent and strict. Which, I’m willing to do, but only if the rest of the team is willing to go about it as well.
Even though I’ve usually been the cautious person, I’d be one willing to be more strict. I’m slowly learning to use my pissy side a bit better now lol
Perhaps setting a moderator-formed set of rules with examples? (this may be elementary, but for some it could solve a lot of things and help even it out)
You do know, that we’re going to do this. We’re going to have to stop giving members special treatment. And I’m not talking about seniority either.
Most of the problems concerning use of certain words stem from the fact that we allow their use in certain threads and ban their use everywhere else.
One forum, one set of rules.
We either lift the ban on such words and allow them to be used freely or we take away privileges given to certain groups.
Well said.
I told you something was gonna happen soon, Cid.
i think it already has.
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| | #28 05 Feb 2008 12:11 am |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 48Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 14,761 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
for me, i have to agree with the mods, NEREVAR117, and bant car dice. they point out good point to how mvc was and where it is heading if something isn’t done. and the mods can’t do everything. the users here could help out too without always relying on the mods to take care of every single problem. they are not wishmakers.
thats pretty much what ive been saying only without the how it used to be since i came here in a time that was only slightly better than this... and your right, the mods cant take care of every problem that comes to codec, but the members cant do anything too stupid...
example, when RTIYS came a few weeks ago, there were no mods on, and all most of the members were doing was flaming him and making it harder on the mods... quoting the crap he says in spam topics doesnt make their job any easier, it makes it harder... as GN said when she finaly got rid of the problem, she had to go through all your posts and edit every last one... it would help to contact them or report him...
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
He might take offence by it, but at the same time, it would take a load off his shoulders, and if it helps the site I’m sure he wouldn’t complain. He hasn’t assigned us as moderators for nothing either, and feedback wasn’t made just for nothing.
As for the chatroom, something was tried, but contacts couldn’t totally be made. At the moment, I think the best thing is to hold meetings through Feedback. (If need be, we could even all use a cipher to encrypt the messages, lol)
that is true... but just make sure the rules arent too outragious, my suggestion is just fixing up what we have at first, add examples and add on to the rules and stuff... the feedback section works well, if people would post important things there, the stuff there lately hasnt been too important... example, when codec is experiencing technical troubles, there are a few topics devoted to “what just happened”. i thnk stuff like that would be better discussed through PM or something...
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| | #29 05 Feb 2008 12:12 am |
The Dog-Mod! Rep: 49 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,544 | My time on here is limited but you speak the truth TY.
Every time I log on I am greeted by the same bullshit over and over again.
Now I have noticed that certain mods have been far from worthy of their accolade, myself included with many a mod breaking the rules and generally not giving a flying fuck anymore.
Even I, touched by the anarchy on this forum have had the incredible temptation to team up with Nazi and delete every last post and wipe the forum clean of this randomness and start afresh.
I don’t do it however, despite how deliciously entertaining it would be to see each and everyone face when they find their precious MVC gone..but allas I respect Bjarne and a few of the members on here enough to keep myself in check.
In short, I too feel that MVC has gone to hell in a hand basket and I find little reason to be civil with niceties when many a member has decided to got apeshit crazy.
I’m all for anarchy, but I find myself without time to revel in the chaos that has become this forum.
Normally the one to shun away form order, I feel it is in the best interest of all concerned if members exercised a bit of restraint and this includes certain moderators, lest I name names, I think they know who they are.
Now as mentioned I have not the time to spend to enact change as may be required but I will observe the progress of the forum and if need be, demonstrate some restraint on members and moderators alike if they can not demonstrate behaviors appropriate of their position.
Chaos has its place in the world, but not on this forum.
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  | | #30 05 Feb 2008 12:13 am |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,544 OFFLINE | As skull said, first thing should be the current rules, but more strict.
And no offense, mods. But don’t just drop it half way through, don’t even start if you won’t even finish it.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | #31 05 Feb 2008 12:14 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
for me, i have to agree with the mods, NEREVAR117, and bant car dice. they point out good point to how mvc was and where it is heading if something isn’t done. and the mods can’t do everything. the users here could help out too without always relying on the mods to take care of every single problem. they are not wishmakers.
thats pretty much what ive been saying only without the how it used to be since i came here in a time that was only slightly better than this... and your right, the mods cant take care of every problem that comes to codec, but the members cant do anything too stupid...
example, when RTIYS came a few weeks ago, there were no mods on, and all most of the members were doing was flaming him and making it harder on the mods... quoting the crap he says in spam topics doesnt make their job any easier, it makes it harder... as GN said when she finaly got rid of the problem, she had to go through all your posts and edit every last one... it would help to contact them or report him...
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
He might take offence by it, but at the same time, it would take a load off his shoulders, and if it helps the site I’m sure he wouldn’t complain. He hasn’t assigned us as moderators for nothing either, and feedback wasn’t made just for nothing.
As for the chatroom, something was tried, but contacts couldn’t totally be made. At the moment, I think the best thing is to hold meetings through Feedback. (If need be, we could even all use a cipher to encrypt the messages, lol)
that is true... but just make sure the rules arent too outragious, my suggestion is just fixing up what we have at first, add examples and add on to the rules and stuff... the feedback section works well, if people would post important things there, the stuff there lately hasnt been too important... example, when codec is experiencing technical troubles, there are a few topics devoted to “what just happened”. i thnk stuff like that would be better discussed through PM or something...
truer words have never been spoken skull kid. we should do what we can to help the site out and help the mods at the same time so they won’t have to keep fixing our messups here. we are responsible for what we post. we should do our share too.
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| | #32 05 Feb 2008 12:18 am |
The Dog-Mod! Rep: 49Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,544 | .R.E.A.L.I.T.Y . wrote:
Yeah you pussy mods.
With all due respect to whoever you may be...Shut the fuck up.
The intelligent people are trying to have a conversation.
Why don’t you go play with your barbie dolls or something and let the grown ups talk.
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| | #33 05 Feb 2008 12:20 am |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 48Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 14,761 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
for me, i have to agree with the mods, NEREVAR117, and bant car dice. they point out good point to how mvc was and where it is heading if something isn’t done. and the mods can’t do everything. the users here could help out too without always relying on the mods to take care of every single problem. they are not wishmakers.
thats pretty much what ive been saying only without the how it used to be since i came here in a time that was only slightly better than this... and your right, the mods cant take care of every problem that comes to codec, but the members cant do anything too stupid...
example, when RTIYS came a few weeks ago, there were no mods on, and all most of the members were doing was flaming him and making it harder on the mods... quoting the crap he says in spam topics doesnt make their job any easier, it makes it harder... as GN said when she finaly got rid of the problem, she had to go through all your posts and edit every last one... it would help to contact them or report him...
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
He might take offence by it, but at the same time, it would take a load off his shoulders, and if it helps the site I’m sure he wouldn’t complain. He hasn’t assigned us as moderators for nothing either, and feedback wasn’t made just for nothing.
As for the chatroom, something was tried, but contacts couldn’t totally be made. At the moment, I think the best thing is to hold meetings through Feedback. (If need be, we could even all use a cipher to encrypt the messages, lol)
that is true... but just make sure the rules arent too outragious, my suggestion is just fixing up what we have at first, add examples and add on to the rules and stuff... the feedback section works well, if people would post important things there, the stuff there lately hasnt been too important... example, when codec is experiencing technical troubles, there are a few topics devoted to “what just happened”. i thnk stuff like that would be better discussed through PM or something...
truer words have never been spoken skull kid. we should do what we can to help the site out and help the mods at the same time so they won’t have to keep fixing our messups here. we are responsible for what we post. we should do our share too.
thats pretty much what im saying just in deeper words... and i think that something should be done about certain members provoking others... for instance, when BC was pestering me a while back, i know i went a bit harsh on her, but its all i could do, she wouldnt stop insulting me, and pestering me... but thats in the past... and ive grown since then, but it has happened to other members... just because you dont agree with someones way doesnt mean they are wrong or right, you should just let them talk about the topic in their own way unless its breaking any rules...
im just tired of people flaming others for having different oppinions or being new... it just grinds my gears!!!
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| | #34 05 Feb 2008 12:22 am |
Endriago Mercenario Rep: 38 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 8,254 | Don’t bother FW, he’s gone for a month.
I think, as Cid mentioned to me through MSN, that we should try and formulate some sort of area all the mods may meet. Not through MSN though, but a forum-like place we could post our messages and thoughts on matters such as this. (and in the future, even for minor things, such as what to do with a certain perpetrator. I know that bjarne had planned something earlier, but it was never completed)
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| | #35 05 Feb 2008 12:23 am |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,544 OFFLINE | I always thought it would be cool if Bjarne made a secret section, just for him and you mods. To talk freely without normal members pestering you.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | #36 05 Feb 2008 12:24 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
for me, i have to agree with the mods, NEREVAR117, and bant car dice. they point out good point to how mvc was and where it is heading if something isn’t done. and the mods can’t do everything. the users here could help out too without always relying on the mods to take care of every single problem. they are not wishmakers.
thats pretty much what ive been saying only without the how it used to be since i came here in a time that was only slightly better than this... and your right, the mods cant take care of every problem that comes to codec, but the members cant do anything too stupid...
example, when RTIYS came a few weeks ago, there were no mods on, and all most of the members were doing was flaming him and making it harder on the mods... quoting the crap he says in spam topics doesnt make their job any easier, it makes it harder... as GN said when she finaly got rid of the problem, she had to go through all your posts and edit every last one... it would help to contact them or report him...
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
i think that you mods should do what i was doing with my site for a while... have some mod meetings... like in an aim chatroom or something once or so a month, it seemed to help my site alot, discuss problems and whatnot...
but thats totaly up to you...
and nervin, i wouldnt tell them to change the rules themselves, because what if bjarne takes that into offence or doesnt like the rules being made??
He might take offence by it, but at the same time, it would take a load off his shoulders, and if it helps the site I’m sure he wouldn’t complain. He hasn’t assigned us as moderators for nothing either, and feedback wasn’t made just for nothing.
As for the chatroom, something was tried, but contacts couldn’t totally be made. At the moment, I think the best thing is to hold meetings through Feedback. (If need be, we could even all use a cipher to encrypt the messages, lol)
that is true... but just make sure the rules arent too outragious, my suggestion is just fixing up what we have at first, add examples and add on to the rules and stuff... the feedback section works well, if people would post important things there, the stuff there lately hasnt been too important... example, when codec is experiencing technical troubles, there are a few topics devoted to “what just happened”. i thnk stuff like that would be better discussed through PM or something...
truer words have never been spoken skull kid. we should do what we can to help the site out and help the mods at the same time so they won’t have to keep fixing our messups here. we are responsible for what we post. we should do our share too.
thats pretty much what im saying just in deeper words... and i think that something should be done about certain members provoking others... for instance, when BC was pestering me a while back, i know i went a bit harsh on her, but its all i could do, she wouldnt stop insulting me, and pestering me... but thats in the past... and ive grown since then, but it has happened to other members... just because you dont agree with someones way doesnt mean they are wrong or right, you should just let them talk about the topic in their own way unless its breaking any rules...
im just tired of people flaming others for having different oppinions or being new... it just grinds my gears!!!
agreed.
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| | #37 05 Feb 2008 12:24 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 16 Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,672 OFFLINE | We need to call a moderator meeting. Now obviously, due to time differences, absences of certain moderators, and schedules this won’t be able to be a real time conversation. We’ll probably have to carry this out on another forum to maintain some level of peace and keep members from confusing us all.
However, we seriously need to discuss this as a group, meaning all active moderators need to participate.
And I promise, this won’t a calm little conversation either. Because honestly, some of the actions of the moderators (including myself as of late) has been appalling.
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 | | #38 05 Feb 2008 12:25 am |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 48Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 14,761 OFFLINE | you could always make a freeboard for teh mods... just keep the URL hidden, and keep it between you mods... im sure you could mess with the privacy aswell...
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| | #39 05 Feb 2008 12:26 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | and there you can discuss and make decisions as a group.
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| | #40 05 Feb 2008 12:26 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 16Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,672 OFFLINE | Skull_Kid wrote:
you could always make a freeboard for teh mods... just keep the URL hidden, and keep it between you mods... im sure you could mess with the privacy aswell...
That’s probably what we’ll be doing.
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