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#181
22 Feb 2008 07:55 pm
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Invaderzym wrote:
How so?

If I remember right didn’t it take the Ginyu Force awhile to find Gohan,Vegeta,and Krillen in the anime?It took almost no time in the manga.

Invaderzym wrote:
Hirudigarn is stronger than Goku. Goku was beaten senseless by him to the point where he was knocked out, yet Goku still managed to kill it. That was a pwnage but technically Hirudigarn is stronger than Goku

Yes how many people were there to help?All of Darkseids deafeating Superman are mostly one on one.

Invaderzym wrote:
By reading his mind he would also know yellow sun would give him power. He would teleport him to another dimension where there is no yellow sun (possibly a red sun) but a bunch of krpytonite into him and wait till he’s dead. You call it being a pussy, I call it being strategic. There’s no shame in doing what needs to be done to win. “Pussy” or not he can still beat superman

Yes if he could do that thats why Majin Buu is in an alternate universe?Thats why he knew how strong the saiyans were?You give him to much credit.

Invaderzym wrote:
Yes, he did NOTHING! So there is no way you can know how strong he is

I mean look at Turles minions.They actually fought and managed to beat the Z fighters.Paragus depended on his son the whole time.

Invaderzym wrote:
You can see by the quality those scans have nothing to do with him getting owned by a normal human

YOU asked for scans of a depowered Supes.In these scans Supes is fighting completely depowered and is no different from a regular man.

Invaderzym wrote:
As I said before, they can use their ki to increase their physical strength

And as I said before they lack feats to prove it.I mean look at GT for instance.SSJ4 Goku barely struggled to lift a city.

Invaderzym wrote:
Yes, the fact that 40 tons can’t penetrate the surface of the earth

Do you ever think about the force the death ball is shot at?

Invaderzym wrote:
It’s the same thing. If they can increase their physical strength to punch though something it means they’ve gotten stronger and can lift more

Not really but even if it is true PC Darkseid for out classes them in strength.Look at PC Supermans strength feats and how he is no match for DS.
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#182
22 Feb 2008 07:56 pm
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How much do you think this city wieghed? It may not put him on DC level but thats pretty damn impressive to be lifting up cities, even if you struggle.
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22 Feb 2008 07:57 pm
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The thing is Post-Crisis Supes can do that without struggling and he is way weaker than Pre-Crisis.I’m still trying to figure out why this argument is going on.
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Manchester Black wrote: The thing is Post-Crisis Supes can do that without struggling and he is way weaker than Pre-Crisis.I’m still trying to figure out why this argument is going on.

Well Broly might be able to resist Omega effect to a certian degree. It may not affect him right away is all I’m saying, though, I don’t know how to compare the ooze to OE as it is pretty impressive to walk through something that destroys matter at an atomic level. So perhaps we could say OE would not work on Broly instantly.
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Manchester Black wrote: The thing is Post-Crisis Supes can do that without struggling and he is way weaker than Pre-Crisis.I’m still trying to figure out why this argument is going on.

Well Broly might be able to resist Omega effect to a certian degree. It may not affect him right away is all I’m saying, though, I don’t know how to compare the ooze to OE as it is pretty impressive to walk through something that destroys matter at an atomic level. So perhaps we could say OE would not work on Broly instantly.
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#186
22 Feb 2008 09:30 pm
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Manchester Black wrote:
And as stated before Darkseids omega effect only fails against Supes because he is protected by the Source and nexus beings(like the Spectre the wrath of God.While it didn’t kill him it hurt him)


Look all I’m saying is there isn’t enough proof to disprove the uze is weaker than the omega effect

Invaderzym wrote:
Gokus 40 tons feat,SSJ4 Goku barely lifting a small city.


1. Goku was powered down
2. Lol, I absolutely love when people bring this up

1. It was ssj4 VEGETA who held the building
2. He didn’t stuggle with it, he said

“I can’t move or the whole thing will come down”

lol

Manchester Black wrote:
I tend to trust them since majority of them have watched DBZ and read the manga and provide scans but if you can provide a link I’ll accept.


1. It was filler
2. You tend to trust idiots

http://videodragonball-z.blogspot.com/search/label/154?max-results=1

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#187
22 Feb 2008 09:46 pm
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Manchester Black wrote:
If I remember right didn’t it take the Ginyu Force awhile to find Gohan,Vegeta,and Krillen in the anime?It took almost no time in the manga.


Finding =/= going somewhere. Speed has nothing to do with searching. I could be the fastest man alive but that wouldn’t help me find a single person if I have no idea where they are

Manchester Black wrote:
Yes how many people were there to help?All of Darkseids deafeating Superman are mostly one on one.


Help isn’t really the term to use since all but Gotenks, Vegeta, and Trunks couldn’t touch it

Manchester Black wrote:
Yes if he could do that thats why Majin Buu is in an alternate universe?Thats why he knew how strong the saiyans were?You give him to much credit.


Majin buu doesn’t have a weakness to an object or gets his powers from a sun. You give him to little credit

Manchester Black wrote:
I mean look at Turles minions.They actually fought and managed to beat the Z fighters.Paragus depended on his son the whole time.


Yes, his son...who destroyed an entire galaxy in his second weakest form and not even at max power. Yeah I’d depend on him too

Manchester Black wrote:
YOU asked for scans of a depowered Supes.In these scans Supes is fighting completely depowered and is no different from a regular man.


Too bad he had his powers when he got beat up by a normal human

Manchester Black wrote:
And as I said before they lack feats to prove it.I mean look at GT for instance.SSJ4 Goku barely struggled to lift a city.


again, wrong, it wasn’t Goku it was Vegeta and he didn’t have trouble lifting it

Manchester Black wrote:
Do you ever think about the force the death ball is shot at?


It’s not that much force if it takes 10 seconds to move a couple of feet

Manchester Black wrote:
Not really but even if it is true PC Darkseid for out classes them in strength.Look at PC Supermans strength feats and how he is no match for DS.


Ok let me ask you, when they add ki to their physical strength what happens? Get stronger and can do physically what they couldn’t do before
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Invaderzym wrote:
Look all I’m saying is there isn’t enough proof to disprove the uze is weaker than the omega effect

The Omega Effect hurt the Spectre.The freaking Wrath of God.I don’t see how they can be compared.

Invaderzym wrote:
1. Goku was powered down

And still couldn’t lift it until he went SSJ.

Invaderzym wrote:
2. Lol, I absolutely love when people bring this up

1. It was ssj4 VEGETA who held the building
2. He didn’t stuggle with it, he said

“I can’t move or the whole thing will come down”

lol

Wrong incident.It was in another thread someone managed to post scans of Goku lifting a city and he barely moved it.

Invaderzym wrote:
1. It was filler

Oh so now that it hurts you its filler.Remember where using anime.

Invaderzym wrote:
2. You tend to trust idiots


Arm yourself with knowledge. Do you see blood? Do you?

Do irony of this statement.Arm myself with knowledge?Have you even read the Anti-Life Equation respect thread.
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22 Feb 2008 09:49 pm
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I think the ooze and the OE are comparable. As I said, I think we can agree the OE won’t affect Broly instantly, it will probably take a few seconds longer than usual.
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Invaderzym wrote:
Finding =/= going somewhere. Speed has nothing to do with searching. I could be the fastest man alive but that wouldn’t help me find a single person if I have no idea where they are

Thats why they can feel and sense each other from feeling their ki?

Invaderzym wrote:
Help isn’t really the term to use since all but Gotenks, Vegeta, and Trunks couldn’t touch it

They were there.They could distract it.

Invaderzym wrote:
Majin buu doesn’t have a weakness to an object or gets his powers from a sun. You give him to little credit

You must have missed where I said teleport him to another universe.Supreme Kai isn’t as powerful as you think he is.

Invaderzym wrote:
Yes, his son...who destroyed an entire galaxy in his second weakest form and not even at max power. Yeah I’d depend on him too

Darkseids son is able to fight Superman to a draw,his army has conquered planets,he has all kinds of weapons,yet he has no problem getting his hands dirty.Paragus=weak

Invaderzym wrote:
Too bad he had his powers when he got beat up by a normal human

You said earlier you don’t know the circumstances of the comic so prove it.

Invaderzym wrote:
again, wrong, it wasn’t Goku it was Vegeta and he didn’t have trouble lifting it

Were talking about different incidents I saw someone posts scans of Goku doing it.

Invaderzym wrote:
It’s not that much force if it takes 10 seconds to move a couple of feet

Not even just the force but the amount of power in the ball.

Invaderzym wrote:
Ok let me ask you, when they add ki to their physical strength what happens? Get stronger and can do physically what they couldn’t do before

I said that was true earlier and based on later feats: IT STILL ISN’T IN LEAGUE WITH PRE-CRISIS SUPES.
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: I think the ooze and the OE are comparable. As I said, I think we can agree the OE won’t affect Broly instantly, it will probably take a few seconds longer than usual.

So I see I must post scans of The Omega Effect hurting Spectre.
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Manchester Black wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: I think the ooze and the OE are comparable. As I said, I think we can agree the OE won’t affect Broly instantly, it will probably take a few seconds longer than usual.

So I see I must post scans of The Omega Effect hurting Spectre.

All I’m saying is Broly walked through something with similar properties as OE.
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#193
22 Feb 2008 10:06 pm
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Manchester Black wrote:
The Omega Effect hurt the Spectre.The freaking Wrath of God.I don’t see how they can be compared.


Doesn’t matter where it comes from. The ooze could destroy things on an atomic level

Manchester Black wrote:
And still couldn’t lift it until he went SSJ.


He was training to use as little power as possible. If he powered up he could have lifted it. Don’t forget it was probably 400 tons

Manchester Black wrote:
Wrong incident.It was in another thread someone managed to post scans of Goku lifting a city and he barely moved it.


I sure would love to see these “scans” cause nothing like that happened in the canon

Manchester Black wrote:
Oh so now that it hurts you its filler.Remember where using anime.


I said it was filler cause you said someone posted scans of it. There can’t be scans since it’s anime only

Manchester Black wrote:
Do irony of this statement.Arm myself with knowledge?Have you even read the Anti-Life Equation respect thread.


Don’t change the subject. You were wrong about Goku bleeding
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Invaderzym wrote:
Doesn’t matter where it comes from. The ooze could destroy things on an atomic level

Please tell me how uze that failed to work on a clone of a saiyan who hates Goku because he did nothing but cry compare to energy beams that hurt the freaking Wrath of God.

Invaderzym wrote:
He was training to use as little power as possible. If he powered up he could have lifted it. Don’t forget it was probably 400 tons

It was only 40 tons.EM has talked about this before.If a weight weighs 40 tons take it to a place with more or less gravity than earth and its still 40 tons.

Invaderzym wrote:
I sure would love to see these “scans” cause nothing like that happened in the canon

I said it was filler cause you said someone posted scans of it. There can’t be scans since it’s anime only

First:It was in an old thread on this site.It was dedicated to feats for Goku and Superman.Also you can post scans/pics of anime.How do you think they have pics on sites.

Invaderzym wrote:
Don’t change the subject. You were wrong about Goku bleeding

The fact of the matter is this:IT STILL HURT HIM!
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#195
22 Feb 2008 10:15 pm
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Manchester Black wrote:
Thats why they can feel and sense each other from feeling their ki?


That tends to take a while if the person you’re looking for has lowered their ki to prevent being found

Manchester Black wrote:
They were there.They could distract it.


Too bad they didn’t last long enough to do even that

Manchester Black wrote:
You must have missed where I said teleport him to another universe.Supreme Kai isn’t as powerful as you think he is.


Buu would teleport back. Remember buu needs to see a move once and ONLY once to learn it. That’s how he learned the kamehameha and instant transmission. Teleporting him to another universe would do nothing

Manchester Black wrote:
Darkseids son is able to fight Superman to a draw,his army has conquered planets,he has all kinds of weapons,yet he has no problem getting his hands dirty.Paragus=weak


Can DS son destroy a galaxy? Like I said you have no proof on how strong Paragus is

Manchester Black wrote:
You said earlier you don’t know the circumstances of the comic so prove it.


They’re obviously from different years and different stories. If you want to use this argument then prove he had his powers taken since you’re the onle who brought it up in the first pace

Manchester Black wrote:
Were talking about different incidents I saw someone posts scans of Goku doing it.


Then show it to me otherwise I’m calling BS on it

Manchester Black wrote:
Not even just the force but the amount of power in the ball.


How would power in it make it penetrate the Earth?

Manchester Black wrote:
I said that was true earlier and based on later feats: IT STILL ISN’T IN LEAGUE WITH PRE-CRISIS SUPES.


A normal human begs to differ
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Manchester Black wrote:
Invaderzym wrote:
Doesn’t matter where it comes from. The ooze could destroy things on an atomic level

Please tell me how uze that failed to work on a clone of a saiyan who hates Goku because he did nothing but cry compare to energy beams that hurt the freaking Wrath of God.

So because he is a cloned saiyan that instantly makes him weak.Yeah. Did you know Itachi could beat Superman if he got him locked in to his unbreabable Genjutsu? Just because it is the freaking wrath of god doesn’t mean anything. Broly can survive it thats the bottom line.
Invaderzym wrote:
He was training to use as little power as possible. If he powered up he could have lifted it. Don’t forget it was probably 400 tons

It was only 40 tons.EM has talked about this before.If a weight weighs 40 tons take it to a place with more or less gravity than earth and its still 40 tons.
40 tons or not, he was training with as little energy as possible.
Invaderzym wrote:
I sure would love to see these “scans” cause nothing like that happened in the canon

I said it was filler cause you said someone posted scans of it. There can’t be scans since it’s anime only

First:It was in an old thread on this site.It was dedicated to feats for Goku and Superman.Also you can post scans/pics of anime.How do you think they have pics on sites.

Invaderzym wrote:
Don’t change the subject. You were wrong about Goku bleeding

The fact of the matter is this:IT STILL HURT HIM!

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#197
22 Feb 2008 10:22 pm
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Manchester Black wrote:
Please tell me how uze that failed to work on a clone of a saiyan who hates Goku because he did nothing but cry compare to energy beams that hurt the freaking Wrath of God.


First have you ever been in a restaurant and sat next to a crying baby? Trust me, Broly’s hate for Goku is understandable. Second like I said, there isn’t enough info on the ooze to say it better or worse than the OE

Manchester Black wrote:
It was only 40 tons.EM has talked about this before.If a weight weighs 40 tons take it to a place with more or less gravity than earth and its still 40 tons.


Who is EM and why should I care? It was probably 400 tons. You yourself said the gravity was heavier. Therefor that weight on earth would be much more than 40 tons

Manchester Black wrote:
First:It was in an old thread on this site.It was dedicated to feats for Goku and Superman.Also you can post scans/pics of anime.How do you think they have pics on sites.


You brought it up so it’s up to you to show me cause I just watched the episode and that’s Vegeta holding the building

Manchester Black wrote:
The fact of the matter is this:IT STILL HURT HIM!


But not to the point where there was blood. You might want to go tell your Naruto friends about this new discovery
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22 Feb 2008 10:24 pm
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Invaderzym wrote:
That tends to take a while if the person you’re looking for has lowered their ki to prevent being found

So now they have low ki.

Invaderzym wrote:
Too bad they didn’t last long enough to do even that

If they were there and he attacked and blasted them thats a long enough distraction.

Invaderzym wrote:
Buu would teleport back. Remember buu needs to see a move once and ONLY once to learn it. That’s how he learned the kamehameha and instant transmission. Teleporting him to another universe would do nothing

Thats Kid Buu.Otherwise Buu should have been able to do all of Gotenks techs without absorbing him.

Invaderzym wrote:
Can DS son destroy a galaxy? Like I said you have no proof on how strong Paragus is

He has shown to be able to destroy planets multiply times over.Also I wasn’t comparing Darkseids son to Brolly just mentioning how Darkseids sons are powerful but he doesn’t always depend on them.

Invaderzym wrote:
They’re obviously from different years and different stories. If you want to use this argument then prove he had his powers taken since you’re the onle who brought it up in the first pace

Your argument fails because your the one who brought up the scan in the first place so you have to prove the circumstances of the incident.

Invaderzym wrote:
Then show it to me otherwise I’m calling BS on it

Sure.

Invaderzym wrote:
How would power in it make it penetrate the Earth?

Like how Nappa fired his energy blast at the earth it exploded and then when they looked they couldn’t see the bottom.

Invaderzym wrote:
A normal human begs to differ

As I said earlier since you love to bring it up so much tell me the WHOLE FUCKING STORY OR DON’T USE IT SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SUPES!
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So because he is a cloned saiyan that instantly makes him weak.Yeah. Did you know Itachi could beat Superman if he got him locked in to his unbreabable Genjutsu? Just because it is the freaking wrath of god doesn’t mean anything. Broly can survive it thats the bottom line.

Itachi is much slower than Supes and gets speedblizted by anyway.So now Brolly is equal to the Spectre?I’ve heard it all.

Invaderzym wrote:
40 tons or not, he was training with as little energy as possible.

And he still couldn’t lift it without going SSJ.

Invaderzym wrote:
The fact is he was caught off guard.

And Darkseid can teleport with and without Boomtubes and thus can easily catch Brolly off guard.
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Invaderzym wrote:
First have you ever been in a restaurant and sat next to a crying baby? Trust me, Broly’s hate for Goku is understandable. Second like I said, there isn’t enough info on the ooze to say it better or worse than the OE

Yes he was bitching and I was tempting to walk out the restaurant but I didn’t hate him.Second there is enough.Its hurt the Spectre and destroyed all that it hits with the exception of Supes and Wonder Woman.

Invaderzym wrote:
Who is EM and why should I care? It was probably 400 tons. You yourself said the gravity was heavier. Therefor that weight on earth would be much more than 40 tons

EM=Endless Mike an incredibly smart debater who makes calculations frequently.Someone said that since Goku was on the planet with higher gravity it was more than 40 tons.He proved him wrong.

Invaderzym wrote:
You brought it up so it’s up to you to show me cause I just watched the episode and that’s Vegeta holding the building

As I said earlier I’ll post it as soon as I find it.

Invaderzym wrote:
But not to the point where there was blood. You might want to go tell your Naruto friends about this new discovery

I don’t go there that often.
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