#121 21 Feb 2008 06:13 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48  Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Question: Was it Darksied with JUST HIS POWER alone? Or did he have devices?
You mean surviving the blast?It was alone.
I meant when he makes pre-crisis his bitch. Thats what I was wondering.
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 | #122 21 Feb 2008 06:15 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | Nope no devices.Infact all the devices they really have are boom tubes and mother boxes(which he rarely uses)all his other tech like tanks and stuff he doesn’t use on PC Supes.
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 | | #123 21 Feb 2008 06:17 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | I just have one other question, If OE was supposed to vaporize atoms how come it didn’t work on SM?
| | #124 21 Feb 2008 06:19 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | The reason it doesn’t work on Supes is because he is protected by the Source.The OE would kill Supes if he used it at full power.It protects him because he is vital to the universe.
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| | #125 21 Feb 2008 06:22 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Ah ok. Well that clears things up. Darksied wins.
| | #126 21 Feb 2008 06:23 pm |
Invaderzym Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
Sure wait a while.
I’ll be waiting
Manchester Black wrote:
When did this happen?
After he got the shit beat out of him from Zarbon and healed. Here’s a list Of Vegeta’s zenkai’s in the namek saga
Vegeta was at 18k when he fought Goku.
Vegeta was at 24k when he fought Kiwi, Dodoria & Zarbon.
Vegeta was at 30k+ when he fought Reacoom.
These three are more or less stated. A basically increase for 6,000.
Then Goku said that Vegeta will be able to take on Jeece easily. Which Vegeta did, possibly putting him around 60,000. An increase of possibly 30,000.
Then Vegeta took a nap, and jumped from 60,000 to at least 450,000.
Then Vegeta sufferd his worst every injury and went from 450,000 to around 2,500,000.
Vegeta should feel pretty damn happy considering he became 130 times stronger in the span of 5 days.
Manchester Black wrote:
You said Goten and Trunks got there late because they didn’t take Buu seriously.You also said Goku didn’t go full speed to get to Frieza.Goku got there quickly in the manga he didn’t in the anime.
There’s no indication of how much time passed in the manga
Manchester Black wrote:
Please look and see that Brolly stands no chance.
DS would be dead before he gets the chance
Manchester Black wrote:
Earlier you said Buu doesn’t go crazy and blow up planets everytime he sees one.In the anime thats almost exactly what he did.
Do you remember WHY he did that? He was looking for Goku
Manchester Black wrote:
Heres adult Superman going to the past.
Didn’t mention this one but his blows can alter time.
Breaking the time barrier as a baby.
Leaving creation.
Its revealed had he continued he would have wiped out countless civilizations by breaking all the universal barriers and nearly breaking into heaven.
Finally the scan of Superboy towing a galaxy of planets.
Pre Crisis Supes was Darkseids bitch.
And guess what else?
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5559/alizu6zv2.jpg
and since were using non-canon
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1095/hemanin7hm3.jpg
| | #127 21 Feb 2008 06:30 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
After he got the shit beat out of him from Zarbon and healed. Here’s a list Of Vegeta’s zenkai’s in the namek saga
Vegeta was at 18k when he fought Goku.
Vegeta was at 24k when he fought Kiwi, Dodoria & Zarbon.
Vegeta was at 30k+ when he fought Reacoom.
These three are more or less stated. A basically increase for 6,000.
Okay.
Invaderzym wrote:
Then Goku said that Vegeta will be able to take on Jeece easily. Which Vegeta did, possibly putting him around 60,000. An increase of possibly 30,000.
Where was Jeeces power level stated.
Invaderzym wrote:
Then Vegeta took a nap, and jumped from 60,000 to at least 450,000.
Then Vegeta sufferd his worst every injury and went from 450,000 to around 2,500,000.
Vegeta should feel pretty damn happy considering he became 130 times stronger in the span of 5 days.
Huh.If your talking about when he first went Super Saiyan it wasn’t stated in the manga or anime(unless your using the data books)but if your talking about when Krillen blasted him through the stomach no.
Invaderzym wrote:
There’s no indication of how much time passed in the manga
The manga shows them not taking as long as it does in the anime though.
Invaderzym wrote:
DS would be dead before he gets the chance
You keep saying this but you don’t prove it.DS with the anti-life equation can turn Brolly back into an embryo.
Invaderzym wrote:
Do you remember WHY he did that? He was looking for Goku
No he was just teleporting around destroying planets.Then when he sensed them he went to where they were.
Invaderzym wrote:
And guess what else?
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5559/alizu6zv2.jpg
Ah your favorite scan.You ignore all of his other feats of taking out gods and breaking the time barrier and moving galaxys worth of planets with this low end feat.How about Goku not being able to lift 40 tons until he went SSJ in the Buu Saga?Or SSJ Goku bleeding from having Krillen throw a rock at his head.Or better yet my personal favorite,Goku and Picollo struggling to lift a bus.
Invaderzym wrote:
and since were using non-canon
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1095/hemanin7hm3.jpg
Ah I see your other favorite scan.Using a low end feat oh wait He-man isn’t weak to begin with.The guy freaking moved the moon with no effort and he uses Magic.Your argument fails.
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| | #128 21 Feb 2008 06:35 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Plus we are talking about Darksied....Not Superman
| | #129 21 Feb 2008 06:54 pm |
Invaderzym Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
Where was Jeeces power level stated.
It wasn’t but we know he was fairly weaker than Ginyu who’s powerlevel was 120,000. He’s around 40, 50k
Invaderzym wrote:
Huh.If your talking about when he first went Super Saiyan it wasn’t stated in the manga or anime(unless your using the data books)but if your talking about when Krillen blasted him through the stomach no.
What do you mean no?
Manchester Black wrote:
The manga shows them not taking as long as it does in the anime though.
No shit the manga shows them getting there instantly
Manchester Black wrote:
You keep saying this but you don’t prove it.DS with the anti-life equation can turn Brolly back into an embryo.
I don’t prove it? I’m still waiting for some proof DS is even close to ssj Broly, let alone lssj
Manchester Black wrote:
No he was just teleporting around destroying planets.Then when he sensed them he went to where they were.
No he was looking for Goku. The surpreme kai even said so. He said.
“He’s looking for you guys (Goku and Vegeta). He’s sensing high power and going there”
Manchester Black wrote:
Ah your favorite scan.You ignore all of his other feats of taking out gods and breaking the time barrier and moving galaxys worth of planets with this low end feat.How about Goku not being able to lift 40 tons until he went SSJ in the Buu Saga?Or SSJ Goku bleeding from having Krillen throw a rock at his head.Or better yet my personal favorite,Goku and Picollo struggling to lift a bus.
You’re the one ignoring this. It happened, deal with it. Also Goku was completely powered down in base when he tried to lift the 40 tons. Goku was asleep when Krillin though that rock and he wasn’t bleeding after it, all he said was
“Ow, Krillin why’d you do that!?"
As for the bus I just saw the episode. They weren’t struggling with it, hell Goku left and piccolo was holding it with one hand. Get your facts right
Manchester Black wrote:
Ah I see your other favorite scan.Using a low end feat oh wait He-man isn’t weak to begin with.The guy freaking moved the moon with no effort and he uses Magic.Your argument fails.
He-man is strong but not as strong as Goku. Moved the moon with magic? Roshie blew up the moon. YOUR argument fails
| | #130 21 Feb 2008 07:13 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
It wasn’t but we know he was fairly weaker than Ginyu who’s powerlevel was 120,000. He’s around 40, 50k
I guess I could take that.
Invaderzym wrote:
What do you mean no?
I mean no if you mean Vegetas power level was 2,500,000 after being blasted by Krillen.If its when he was trying to go SSJ yes.
Invaderzym wrote:
No shit the manga shows them getting there instantly
And thus what you said earlier is null.
Invaderzym wrote:
I don’t prove it? I’m still waiting for some proof DS is even close to ssj Broly, let alone lssj
...Lets ignore the fact that he makes Pre-Crisis Supes he bitch,lets ignore the fact that he is one of the most powerful new gods,lets ignore the fact that he could have killed his dad were it not for the father/son thing.I don’t get what your missing.
Invaderzym wrote:
No he was looking for Goku. The surpreme kai even said so. He said.
“He’s looking for you guys (Goku and Vegeta). He’s sensing high power and going there”
Vid?
Invaderzym wrote:
You’re the one ignoring this. It happened, deal with it. Also Goku was completely powered down in base when he tried to lift the 40 tons. Goku was asleep when Krillin though that rock and he wasn’t bleeding after it, all he said was
“Ow, Krillin why’d you do that!?“
No your the one using low ends just to help you out.You ignore all other feats and use low end feats.Also why don’t you quit posting the cover and post what happened in the comic.Goku struggled to lift 40 tons in the Buu saga and had to go SSJ to lift it.And?When Supes is asleep and gets slapped by his wife she hurts her hand.
Invaderzym wrote:
As for the bus I just saw the episode. They weren’t struggling with it, hell Goku left and piccolo was holding it with one hand. Get your facts right
Quit lying.Its a common fact they had trouble with the bus at first.If they were as strong as you claim they shouldn’t have had trouble at all.
Invaderzym wrote:
He-man is strong but not as strong as Goku. Moved the moon with magic? Roshie blew up the moon. YOUR argument fails
You fail at reading.He-man without trying moved the moon.Goku couldn’t lift 40 tons and had to go SSJ to lift it.He-Mans strength>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gokus strength.Also you really missread.I said he uses magic which is Supes weakness I didn’t say he moved it with magic.Please learn to read arguments right.
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| | #131 21 Feb 2008 07:15 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | As a matter of fact you still haven’t told me how Brolly gets past the Omega Effect.And don’t say he puts a barrier up the Omega Effect hurt a fullypowered bloodlusted Spectre who is the Wrath of God.
EDIT
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t447673.html
This and the Anti-Life Equation thread you should check out.Arm yourself with knowledge on the two beings you lack knowledge on.
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Last edited 21 Feb 2008 07:20 pm by Manchester Black | | #132 21 Feb 2008 07:21 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
As a matter of fact you still haven’t told me how Brolly gets past the Omega Effect.
Well in Bio Broly, Broly’s body didn’t melt from that uze, note clone Broly was about the strength as movie ten Broly. The uze was said to melt anything it touched I believe and it didn’t melt Broly, water was his weakness. Anyway:
Yes, Kid Buu was looking for Goku and Vegeta, Sepreme kai did say this. Also, didn’t Gohan lift a jet? Didn’t Buu twirl a helecopter around like a toy? Physical strength in dbz is inconsistant.
Also Supermans wife hits him and she hurts her hand? So? Goku’s ki accidently breaks dishes and such and when he fought Cell their ki was literally enough to hurt humans just by aftershock alone. This was all in the anime I belive, it could have been in the manga.
| | #133 21 Feb 2008 07:29 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Well in Bio Broly, Broly’s body didn’t melt from that uze, note clone Broly was about the strength as movie ten Broly. The uze was said to melt anything it touched I believe and it didn’t melt Broly, water was his weakness. Anyway:
The Omega Effect can’t be compared to uze.Its something fired by a god that has even wiped out gods,demons,etc.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Yes, Kid Buu was looking for Goku and Vegeta, Sepreme kai did say this. Also, didn’t Gohan lift a jet? Didn’t Buu twirl a helecopter around like a toy? Physical strength in dbz is inconsistant.
The thing is we saw Goku couldn’t lift 40 tons in Buu saga.That more than likely means those 2 have greater strength than Goku.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also Supermans wife hits him and she hurts her hand? So? Goku’s ki accidently breaks dishes and such and when he fought Cell their ki was literally enough to hurt humans just by aftershock alone. This was all in the anime I belive, it could have been in the manga.
The main point was he said the only reason Goku said ouch when Krillen hit him with a rock was because he was sleeping.If that happens because he was caught off guard Brolly stands no chance.
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| | #134 21 Feb 2008 07:56 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Well I believe Broly is invincible except for that one spot on his stomach so..That seems to only be ki and physical attacks though, not atom dematerilizing attacks.
| | #135 21 Feb 2008 09:01 pm |
Shadow Goku336 Guest | Broly bloys up the planet that Pacman is on. I mean Darkseid.
| | #136 21 Feb 2008 09:04 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | Shadow Goku336 wrote:
Broly bloys up the planet that Pacman is on. I mean Darkseid.
Darksied can survive galexy busters easy?
| | #137 21 Feb 2008 09:16 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | Darkseid has survived planet explosions.Infact Supes who is less durable than him can survive that.
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| | #138 21 Feb 2008 10:19 pm |
Invaderzym Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
I mean no if you mean Vegetas power level was 2,500,000 after being blasted by Krillen.If its when he was trying to go SSJ yes.
No. Vegeta was stronger than third form Freeza, his powerlevel had to be in the 2mill area. Point is you get huge power boosts via zenkai.
Manchester Black wrote:
And thus what you said earlier is null.
So I guess you believe master roshie is faster than light in the manga since he moves instantly
Manchester Black wrote:
...Lets ignore the fact that he makes Pre-Crisis Supes he bitch,lets ignore the fact that he is one of the most powerful new gods,lets ignore the fact that he could have killed his dad were it not for the father/son thing.I don’t get what your missing.
First, I’d like some proof Darkseid > Superman, second Broly’s power struck fear into the gods (King kai) third Broly ACTUALLY killed his father
Manchester Black wrote:
Vid?
It was either 261, 262, or 263
Manchester Black wrote:
No your the one using low ends just to help you out.You ignore all other feats and use low end feats.Also why don’t you quit posting the cover and post what happened in the comic.Goku struggled to lift 40 tons in the Buu saga and had to go SSJ to lift it.And?When Supes is asleep and gets slapped by his wife she hurts her hand.
Doesn’t change the fact it happened. Goku’s lowest feat > Superman’s lowest feat. Also since when does lois slapping > A giant rock thrown by the strongest human in the world
Manchester Black wrote:
Quit lying.Its a common fact they had trouble with the bus at first.If they were as strong as you claim they shouldn’t have had trouble at all.
Didn’t look like it. They flew under it and begun to lift it, then Goku left to blow up the falling rocks and piccolo took one of his hands off the bus to help
Manchester Black wrote:
You fail at reading.He-man without trying moved the moon.Goku couldn’t lift 40 tons and had to go SSJ to lift it.He-Mans strength>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gokus strength.Also you really missread.I said he uses magic which is Supes weakness I didn’t say he moved it with magic.Please learn to read arguments right.
Yet ssj3 Goku was able to move the entire planet just by powering up
| | #139 21 Feb 2008 10:32 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 25Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 8,011 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
No. Vegeta was stronger than third form Freeza, his powerlevel had to be in the 2mill area. Point is you get huge power boosts via zenkai.
Didn’t you say his power lev was one million earlier?
Invaderzym wrote:
So I guess you believe master roshie is faster than light in the manga since he moves instantly
He moves fast but not instantly.
Invaderzym wrote:
First, I’d like some proof Darkseid > Superman, second Broly’s power struck fear into the gods (King kai) third Broly ACTUALLY killed his father
First off I posted you scans earlier showing a weakened Darkseid pwning Superman.Second New Gods and DBZ gods can’t be compared,DBZ gods are pathetic.Third Paragus was weak...
Invaderzym wrote:
Doesn’t change the fact it happened. Goku’s lowest feat > Superman’s lowest feat. Also since when does lois slapping > A giant rock thrown by the strongest human in the world
It wasn’t a giant rock.Also since you love to use low end feats how about Cell,Frieza,King Cold,and the Ginyu Force getting stabbed by needles?They would have broke if they stabbed Superman.Also your low end feat argument works both ways.Post-Crisis Supes fixed a hole in reality with his bare hands and survived a galaxy destroying attack.Post-Crisis is way weaker than Pre-Crisis.
Invaderzym wrote:
Didn’t look like it. They flew under it and begun to lift it, then Goku left to blow up the falling rocks and piccolo took one of his hands off the bus to help
They struggled with the bus.I’ve seen it.Its commonly used against DBZ fans who love to use anime.
Invaderzym wrote:
Yet ssj3 Goku was able to move the entire planet just by powering up
He shook it not move it the way He-man did.
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| | #140 21 Feb 2008 10:39 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,798 OFFLINE | With just his regular power and assuming he does not use OE, Broly has a chance actually, unless DS hits the scar place, but other than that DS can’t do shit in physical combat.
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