Broly vs Darkseid

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I see you failed at reading my argument again.Dhaos said the uze melts everything but not Brolly and I said it can’t be compared to Omega Effect.


You yet again fail at reading my argument.When I say Goku I obviously mean his base form.What 3 forms?SSJ-SSJ2-SSJ3.Since Brolly isn’t in GT we can’t use SSJ4.


If SSJs can bleed by having a rock thrown at them while offguard just imagine Darkseid.He uses his teleportation abilities often.

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Now for the gravity thing making the weight 400 tons.False.Yes there was more gravity on the planet but it doesn’t change the weight of the object.It was still 40 tons.

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I beg to differ.DS has pwned Superman,Wonder Woman,Orion,and quite a few others in physical combat.All have strength greater than Brolly and are expert fighters.

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BY your logic it does show him moving instantly since there isn’t any movement in the manga



lol no. I don’t consider knocking superman back a few feet a pwning either. You need to show me a totally one sided fight. Something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XiP6HnYD6w



He has enough feats. He can read minds, teleport across dimansions, can use magic, and best of all, create any type of matter he wants. All he would have to do is read supermans mind, find out he’s weak to kryptonite, and incase him in a block of it. And if he doesn’t feel like doing all that he can teleport a large block of something directly into superman’s throat and choke him



Actually there is no proof how strong Broly’s father was, but whatever



It must have took all of them since they didn’t do it until cell arrived. And wow, suddenly there was a time superman was “depowered”. Your timing brining this up is rather “convenient”



I won’t deny that I don’t know the circumstances, but I don’t need to to know superman is afraid to fight He-man



Coolers death ball was heavy enough to penetrate the Earth and go all the way down to the core and ssj Goku was able to lift it. That’s pretty impressive if you ask me



Fact remains that they can use their ki energy to increase their physical strength. With as much ki as Goku has I’m sure he could move the Earth



I wasn’t talking physical strength this time, yes they were levitating

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We don’t know exactly how that stuff was made out of so you can’t say it doesn’t compare to the omega effect due to lack of info



You said “Obviously those two have greater strength than Goku” I thought you were saying Goku in general. Also yes Broly isn’t in GT, but somehow we started talking about Goku




Goku wasn’t bleeding

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Yes it was 40 tons there, but not on Earth. If I take a 50 pound weight and go to the moon it’s still a 50 pound weight, but on the moon the weight is different

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?


Other than the fact that he easily knocked Supes back and he pwned him while he was weakened what more do you need?Anyway
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa648780jpgorig0lt.jpg
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http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fbc4e69fjpgorig6cr.jpg
This is Pre-Crisis.Darkseid right after having a battle with HighFather is jumped by Superboy and Supergirl who have been powered up by Highfather.Not only are they still no match for him but the Legion of Superheroes(which consists of 1000s of Superheroes)blast him and he survives.


Do you read comics?For one thing Supes has beaten Dominus who has telepathy,telekinesis,reality manipulation,and more.Also Supes is weak to knite but not to the extreme non comic fans think.If that was the case he wouldn’t be able to beat the Kryptonite man.Finally Supes can breath in space and under water choking him like that ain’t working.


Paragus was an incredibly weak old man.


No they were messing around.Also the second part of your argument tells me you don’t read comics.There have been many stories where Supes has temporarly lost his powers.Don’t use scans if you don’t know where there from or anything about the character.


He-man uses magic,has redicoulous strength,durability,and speed and Supes holds back.I don’t need to say anymore.


Supermans heat vision can slice penetrate earth.Also I don’t see how that deals with strength.


Seeing as your the one who made the claim you have to prove he can.Based on past feats this is highly impossible.

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Actually I can.The Omega Effect has destroyed New Gods,Old Gods,Pre-Crisis Kryptonians,etc.


Because of how feats of strength work in DBZ.


You need to tell that to the guys in Naruto forums then.

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I guess I have to find that thread again where EM explained how weight works...

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You’re the one saying they move slower in the anime than the manga since there’s no movement in the manga



Still not convinced. Getting one or two hits in is not a pwning



He could teleport kyrptonite into his body, teleport away for a little until superman really gets weak from it and just finish the job



And this is based on what?



Show me some scans of this “depowered” superman. and forgive me if I don’t read every comic ever made



Yeah you do cause as strong as he man is, comparing him to DBZ characters is stupid



The death ball wasn’t slicing. It was a huge object that I doubt weighted only 40 tons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDprhuNj8Ms



The proof is in movie 6

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And you know the uze couldn’t how?



What?



They guys in the Naruto forums are idiots then.

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In Bio Broly, the scientist says that once the goo becomes exposed to the air it becomes extremly acidic and it devours any cellular matter that is not like itself.

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Thats not what I said.DBZ characters are slower in the anime because they take forever to get to different locations while this isn’t the case in the manga since they get there much faster.


Yes lets ignore the fact that he was weakened and injured from fighting Highfather than two PC Kryptonians come(with a power up no less) and sneak him and he still beats them.http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesdarkseid19un0pf.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesdarkseid25xg7mb.jpg
Impressive feat.An older stone Darkseid imprisons the Legion and Superman with a wave of his hand.http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legion29066pu.jpg


So he has to be a pussy?While he does that Supes flys into the sun.The knite is destroyed and he gets a powerup.


The fact that he did absolutely nothing throughout the whole movie.


http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=140ub.jpg
In both these scans Supes is depowered.


So yet again you missread...Obviously He-Man loses to DBZ because he is slower but we are talking about his PHYSICAL strength only.


You doubt but do you have proof?


They used there ki to increase their strength to punch through not lift.

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Okay lets compare the Uze to ki blasts.You can’t there to different things.


DBZ is known for its speed and power but not its strength.At best they can lift 100 tons.


Please go there then.Most of those guys would demolish you.
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In Super Powers vol.2 #6, Darkseid, with a wave of his hand, projected his power through a hologram of himself, and effortlessly defeated Superman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and multiple other heroes — - Jack Kirby himself collaborated on this scene:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/pe0fb5c86846dadf5ae802dc927a747fa/f9707780.jpg

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At best 100 tons? Bullshit. Where are you getting these numbers from? Also IF there is gravity 10x Earths then it be more than 400 tons. I would put Goku at about 500 tons though, Counting in his max power in SSJ3

Please go there then.Most of those guys would demolish you.
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In Super Powers vol.2 #6, Darkseid, with a wave of his hand, projected his power through a hologram of himself, and effortlessly defeated Superman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and multiple other heroes — - Jack Kirby himself collaborated on this scene:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/pe0fb5c86846dadf5ae802dc927a747fa/f9707780.jpg

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Nevermind, How much does a average skyscraper wiegh? 3000 tons?

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How so?



Hirudigarn is stronger than Goku. Goku was beaten senseless by him to the point where he was knocked out, yet Goku still managed to kill it. That was a pwnage but technically Hirudigarn is stronger than Goku



By reading his mind he would also know yellow sun would give him power. He would teleport him to another dimension where there is no yellow sun (possibly a red sun) but a bunch of krpytonite into him and wait till he’s dead. You call it being a pussy, I call it being strategic. There’s no shame in doing what needs to be done to win. “Pussy” or not he can still beat superman



Yes, he did NOTHING! So there is no way you can know how strong he is



You can see by the quality those scans have nothing to do with him getting owned by a normal human



As I said before, they can use their ki to increase their physical strength



Yes, the fact that 40 tons can’t penetrate the surface of the earth



It’s the same thing. If they can increase their physical strength to punch though something it means they’ve gotten stronger and can lift more

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Maybe I did underestimate a little but they have no feats that but them anywhere close to DC in strength.Thats why unless they put most or all of their ki in their punches they can’t hurt Supes or DS.

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As said before the uze was stated to destroy things on a atomic level that isn’t itself



Proof?



He wasn’t bleeding. Anyone who says otherwise are idiots

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And as stated before Darkseids omega effect only fails against Supes because he is protected by the Source and nexus beings(like the Spectre the wrath of God.While it didn’t kill him it hurt him)


Gokus 40 tons feat,SSJ4 Goku barely lifting a small city.


I tend to trust them since majority of them have watched DBZ and read the manga and provide scans but if you can provide a link I’ll accept.