| 17 Feb 2008 12:57 am |
In the infinite Rep: 40  Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,817 OFFLINE | ---
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| 17 Feb 2008 01:10 am |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
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| 17 Feb 2008 06:37 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
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Random chance while the opabinia have it even from the first life... wtf...
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Oh you always ruin my fun... theist logics is really funny.
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Atheist logics are really funny ---
 
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| 18 Feb 2008 12:30 am |
In the infinite Rep: 40Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,817 OFFLINE | How come you don’t grey box quote Itachi? ---
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| 18 Feb 2008 01:00 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55 Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
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Random chance while the opabinia have it even from the first life... wtf...
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Oh you always ruin my fun... theist logics is really funny.
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Atheist logics are really funny
wow reasoning is so funny? gess you are a lost cause.
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| 18 Feb 2008 01:05 am |
In the infinite Rep: 40Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,817 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
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Random chance while the opabinia have it even from the first life... wtf...
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Oh you always ruin my fun... theist logics is really funny.
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Atheist logics are really funny
wow reasoning is so funny? gess you are a lost cause.
Yes he is.
Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY | |
| 18 Feb 2008 01:26 am |
Thanatos, God of Death Rep: 63 Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 14,451 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
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Random chance while the opabinia have it even from the first life... wtf...
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Oh you always ruin my fun... theist logics is really funny.
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Atheist logics are really funny
Wow...And this makes theists logic what?
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| 18 Feb 2008 01:30 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
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| 18 Feb 2008 01:36 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | wow reasoning is so funny? gess you are a lost cause.
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its you stupid... give me nothing of eye evolution... opabinia have it before your pic show... 360.000 for eyes evolution... stupid huh...??? ---
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| 18 Feb 2008 06:04 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
wow reasoning is so funny? gess you are a lost cause.
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its you stupid... give me nothing of eye evolution... opabinia have it before your pic show... 360.000 for eyes evolution... stupid huh...???
Where did I say that I knew what species had eyes first? there are many books that show how eye evolution takes place, but Im sure you wouldnt understand them.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | |
| 18 Feb 2008 06:06 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Ohh very sure... Our eyes from Nautilus right...??? ---
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| 18 Feb 2008 06:12 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Ohh very sure... Our eyes from Nautilus right...???
These no evidence that Im aware of, but because paleontologist dont know where everything came from, that fact doesnt disprove anything in biology.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | |
| 18 Feb 2008 06:15 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | in biology... your evoution about human not from nautilus... eye evolution said that our eyes once like nautilus and only nautilus and other species has such eyes...
paleontology said the opposite of evolution and biology prove nothing except genetic mutations by random chance... I dont see nautilus in our evolution lines...
contradiction...??? ---
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| 18 Feb 2008 06:18 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
in biology... your evoution about human not from nautilus... eye evolution said that our eyes once like nautilus and only nautilus and other species has such eyes...
paleontology said the opposite of evolution and biology prove nothing except genetic mutations by random chance... I dont see nautilus in our evolution lines...
contradiction...???
copy and past this and put it in the evolution topic, again your draging your idiotic behavour into other topics. this is common fallacies.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | |
| 18 Feb 2008 06:29 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | 
Ah idiotic creature of you...
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| 19 Feb 2008 01:43 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Ah idiotic creature of you...
It is a shame how low thiest will fall.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | |
| 19 Feb 2008 02:49 pm |
Thanatos, God of Death Rep: 63Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 14,451 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Ah idiotic creature of you...
Someone just made themselves look like an idiot....I mean you Itachi
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| 19 Feb 2008 02:52 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
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| 19 Feb 2008 05:12 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
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| 19 Feb 2008 05:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | For all of you who don’t know, here’s what Gplex does when he makes a fallacy, of course, when someone else does it it’s a big fucking deal.
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
No, not slightly worse.
I was just wondering why you can’t shut your hole about how bad it is to be atheist (excluding this conversation).
You ask me why Im getting annoyed and I told you. sigh...
Actually I didn’t. Here’s what I said:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Look Gplex, Muslims get picked on a lot more than Atheists do, so you can go smoke my pole.
Seriously, stop fucking whining about how “bad” the world is and how “badly” Atheists are treated.
Seriously, you haven’t even fasted before. So STFU.
HA HA. You just made a strawman. Suck on that.
Well would you look at that, must have mistaken you for someone else
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