| 19 Feb 2008 06:15 pm |
Thanatos, God of Death Rep: 63  Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 14,451 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
No. Accident would imply the universe didn’t mean to do it.
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| 19 Feb 2008 06:18 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
No. Accident would imply the universe didn’t mean to do it.
If there’s no intelligence behind it it didn’t.
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| 19 Feb 2008 06:22 pm |
Thanatos, God of Death Rep: 63Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 14,451 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
No. Accident would imply the universe didn’t mean to do it.
If there’s no intelligence behind it it didn’t.
Then how can it be accident if there is no intelligence or conciousness about how it was created, how can it be accident. An accident would imply something like conciousness or intelligence owuld it not?
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| 19 Feb 2008 09:20 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
No. Accident would imply the universe didn’t mean to do it.
If there’s no intelligence behind it it didn’t.
Then how can it be accident if there is no intelligence or conciousness about how it was created, how can it be accident. An accident would imply something like conciousness or intelligence owuld it not?
Does it really matter what the proper definition of the word I used is? The bottom line is you cannot have design or purpose without intelligence and that is that. Maybe you assholes should learn the difference between “your” and “you’re” as well as “there” “their” and “they’re” before you tell me what an accident, chance or a theory is. Notice I didn’t say something is completely random because it doesn’t have intelligence behind it. It just doesn’t have meaning. You are confusing HOW and WHY.
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| 19 Feb 2008 11:13 pm |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)
It’s not making a direct assumption of anything, it’s asking you how organs like the eye can evolve from chance. Of course, people like you would rather say it’s a fallacy than answer.
Avoiding the question:
Yes, I think you know what that is.
Not able to find a quote yet, ok lets try my question, are you not going to kill so may people this year?
This matches up with the asumption that they “eye came from random chance”. Natural selection is not random. I’ve explain this many many many many many many times through out this thread.
Did you mean “so many?"
Sometimes an assumption can be made with a question. What if somebody DOES beat their wife and you ask them if they’ve stopped yet?
and you made the assumption that evolution is random chance.
Some of it is.
In fact, without intelligence behind it the way everything works is pretty much chance.
Even if so, the comic you posted states that the remark is a strawman argument when you claim it to be a loaded question.
To say that something needs to have intelligence behind it in order for it not to be random is very foolish. Natural selection is not random yet it requires no intelligence. My thermometer has no intelligence but it can tell me the exact temperature. Polarity has no intelligence yet it can select opposites.
Your claim that without intelligence there would only be chance can’t hold any ground.
Well if you go back far enough the way all of those things work would have been decided by chance, of course let’s not get into physics.
Physics don’t work by chance. There are certain laws that matter of all kind (with the exception of singularities) must follow.
Hypothetically speaking even if everything was working by chance when you went back far enough, that wouldn’t mean that chance would be passed down to larger/more complex laws, matter, etc. If I won the lottery and as a result decided to spend it on a new Ferrari then we can conclude that I won the lottery because of chance, but you can’t conclude that I bought the Ferrari out of chance. A non-random act came as a result of a random act.
If you could clarify by what you mean though, I could probably explain this in a better way.
What I meant is if everything didn’t ultimately happen on purpose then it’s an accident.
Its foolish to use the word “accident” for this. The big bang could very well have been caused by laws of physics that were before our universe.
Yeah but they must have been formed without design or purpose if God didn’t exist. That seems like an accident to me.
Does it have to be non-accidental to make sense? Even your god must have been an accident if he’s real.
And for the last time, just because something is complex doesn’t mean there has to be intelligence behind it.
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| 20 Feb 2008 02:19 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Does it have to be non-accidental to make sense? Even your god must have been an accident if he’s real.
And for the last time, just because something is complex doesn’t mean there has to be intelligence behind it.
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| 20 Feb 2008 04:02 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55 Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Does it have to be non-accidental to make sense? Even your god must have been an accident if he’s real.
And for the last time, just because something is complex doesn’t mean there has to be intelligence behind it.
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prove please...
Rocks from a volcano is intelegently design?
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| 20 Feb 2008 05:12 pm |
Regular Rep: 6Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 329 OFFLINE | If Gplex isn’t intelligently designed that explains why he’s been left behind by the world. Meanie! ---
Message me!!!!
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| 21 Feb 2008 12:19 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Rocks from a volcano is intelegently design?
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If Gplex isn’t intelligently designed that explains why he’s been left behind by the world. Meanie!
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| 21 Feb 2008 02:55 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Is it me or thiest love to keep making these fallacies. ---
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| 21 Feb 2008 05:31 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | like what since you cant bring me prove about my rocks...??? ---
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| 21 Feb 2008 05:32 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
like what since you cant bring me prove about my rocks...???
No you can not bring evidence for your rock I do not have too. Idiot.
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| 21 Feb 2008 06:01 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Ooo... denial... so god is exist right...??? ---
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| 21 Feb 2008 07:02 am |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Does it have to be non-accidental to make sense? Even your god must have been an accident if he’s real.
And for the last time, just because something is complex doesn’t mean there has to be intelligence behind it.
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prove please...
Go outside and look around you. Theres your proof.
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| 21 Feb 2008 09:25 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23 Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,685 OFFLINE | i read a book called the fallacy detective, and it contains lots of these, a lot of them look very familar ---
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| 21 Feb 2008 02:50 pm |
Thanatos, God of Death Rep: 63Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 14,451 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Ooo... denial... so god is exist right...???
nope your in denial sir.
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:16 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Go outside and look around you. Theres your proof.
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All I see just atheist... ---
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:32 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,685 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Go outside and look around you. Theres your proof.
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All I see just atheist...
thats because you touch yourself at night
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:38 am |
In the infinite Rep: 40 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,817 OFFLINE | Out of all the religions in the world your is the right one the only right one. ---
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| 22 Feb 2008 01:45 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,685 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
Out of all the religions in the world your is the right one the only right one.
that is how lots of people think
i thought of that back when i was a christian
every single person is convinced beyond a doubt that there religion is right
and now they can’t all be right...
pretty ignorant people out there
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