Common Mistakes of Atheists

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1) Beliefs don’t start on a negative, they start on a neutral. If they started on a negative noone could believe in each other because none of us can prove our existance to anyone else. If they started on a positive they’d all be too hard to disprove and we’d have to believe in everything.

2) Proving or disproving evolution has nothing to do with God and is irrelevant to Theism, which merely says that there is a diety. In fact, evolution doesn’t even prove or disprove any of the mainstream divisions of Theism, I have not read one scripture which says “Evolution is not real." or “Evolution is real." And this has NOTHING to do with the freaking topic of God.

3) Disproving a religous book or idea doesn’t debunk Theism, it can merely debunk the book or idea in question. Theism states a diety exists and there are many divisions over the other details, yet by debunking divisions you are ignoring the main idea of whether a diety exists or not, which is what you should be trying to prove or disprove.

4) Just because the followers of a religion are bad, doesn’t mean the idea itself is bad. Religions are just an idea and these ideas need to be judged by teachings, not followers. If I killed someone in your name and you hadn’t told me to, would it be your fault for the murder? No. This isn’t any different. So stop saying bullshit to make us look bad because of few Theists are evil, even if the majority of a belief system is evil, this does not make all the people in it evil or the belief itself evil. Grow up, stop the stereotyping shit.

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Well, I guess I’ll have to be the first atheist to say this… Burn Sean of the Living!

Yes burn him crush him! Crush him!

Rip his spine out, burn the religion!

How dare they believe in a soul kill them kill them!

Step on him!

Shot him!

Cut out his tung for saying such lies!

Shot him, cut out his tung and then shot his tung!

How dare you try to rationalize belief! Put him against the wall, against the wall!

NOW NOW NOW!

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So your saying that if some has the belief anime characters exist and that cows created the Earth that belief starts on a negitive? No. Beliefs do not start on a negitive, to prove a belief, at least in the scientific community or a debate, you must give some evidence to why it could be true.

[qoute]2) Proving or disproving evolution has nothing to do with God and is irrelevant to Theism, which merely says that there is a diety. In fact, evolution doesn’t even prove or disprove any of the mainstream divisions of Theism, I have not read one scripture which says “Evolution is not real." or “Evolution is real." And this has NOTHING to do with the freaking topic of God.

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Anime Characters Exist:

Evidence) Anime characters can be observed. There are paper materials and media where said characters can clearly be seen on a regular basis.

Cows Created the Earth:

Evidence) Cows are capable of emitting the components for life. The bovine species create large amounts of feces, urine, and methane gas every day. These emissions can be accurately measured and contain all the elements necessary for the development of a life-sustaining planet; Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Calcium, Zinc, Iron, Copper, and Potassium.

Over a very long period of time, these elements coalesced around a single nucleus under intense pressure. This formed the core of Earth and latter layers of excrement gradually settled into a Mantle and outer Crust.

Over additional long periods of time, the bacteria contained in bovine feces evolved into consecutively more complex forms of life. Gradually, through extended lengths of natural selection and burst mutation, these lifeforms developed into the modern, phylogenetic trees we observe today.

Thus, a theory that Cows created the Earth and should therefore be the object of religious worship and the subject of scientific awe.

Know who’s evil? Humankind. Last I checked, Theists and Atheist both have the potential to fall in that category.

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1. Your belief doesn’t start on neutral because the burden of proof is on your hands. Beliefs never start on neutral.

2. Proving evolution (which has pretty much been done) would disprove the idea that god directly created us. It would disprove so many religions that endorse creationism because evolution and creationism are not compatible. Without the idea of creationism all you would really have left is deism.

3. A religious book doesn’t have to be debunked because it never had any credibility in the first place. However, without your religious book you have virtually no basis as to why you assume a deity/deities exists. And btw it isn’t up to the atheists to disprove, it’s up to you theists to prove.

4. You think religion needs to be judged by the teachings eh? Well I don’t know where you’ve been but many of the teachings of the mainstream religions do in fact tell people to do immoral thins. A theist of a mainstream religion that has never killed someone doesn’t follow all of the teachings of their religion.

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I meant, anime character esists in reality, as in real life, like you can actually meet them. The reason I did that is because I wanted to make a ridiculous belief that someone would have to make exceptions to.

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My belief in Divine Bovines creating the Earth IS NOT ridiculous! I have a theory and evidence!

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I was not getting at that, I was just getting at what Matt said, beliefs can’t be nuetral because if they were, It would be just as respectible to say, Michael Jackson created the universe with his moon walk dance, this would be on the same level with one that actually had evidence.

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Oh. *sniff* Okay.

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I am extremely skeptical of everything. Every belief should be approached with skepticism. If not then your just being gullible.


Evolution disproves creation, You actually think they would modifiy your holy book to add in something most people know wasn’t discovered 2000 years ago? You know how many people will loose thier faith if you did so, knowing that you could just change the book when ever you want.


Yes it does. Your book gives you the idea of theism. Without it you would be a atheist, or looking to another theist book.


It matters when all they are doing is following the religion guidance and they do something “bad”.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. ~ Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

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1) If beliefs start on a negative I guess you’re not real because none of you have done shit to prove your existance. I’m serious, you have done NOTHING, so why are you telling me to believe in anything when none of it has evidence? A neutral does NOT assume things that aren’t disproven are real, it assumes they might be.

2) The concept of God itself has nothing to do with evolution.

3) A religion is a set of personal beliefs and thus a religous book is a book on the subject of those beliefs, now are you saying they instantly don’t have any credibility? Because I think it’d be better to look at their claims first for some crazy reason. Even so debunking the books with different ideas about God won’t debunk God, just the ideas about him.

4) You seem to judge harshly the morals of books centuries of years old. How is that fair? What if something your doing now will be considred immoral in the future, would that make you evil? You Atheists also seem to forget when speaking of the Bible most of the old testament laws and commandments were dropped when Jesus came.

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A person cannot use his or her own existence as an anchor point to define reality. “I think, therefore I am” is invalid. It assumes that the person making the statement is not in fact dreaming, insane, or themselves unreal.

This is simple philosophy. I like philosophy.

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Need I remind you you can’t prove we can’t prove are own existance?

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So true how do we know were not a figmant of somebodies else imagination how do you define reality.

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You cannot not know. You can only believe that you are or are not. You may choose to believe that you are the product of chance or a deity; but either way you will believe, not prove your existence/nonexistence.

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Does that matter? That’s all the more reason for my beliefs shouldn’t start on a negative now isn’t it? Or else I guess you’re all not real. But when it comes to other things they somehow have special laws governing them for no reason? Fuck off. I’m not trying to prove you’re all fake and I’m real here, I’m saying starting off on a negative is illogical, and so is starting off on a positive.

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Someones angry. Wow. So every belief deserves equal credibility. Okay so my belief that Michael Jackson created all life in the universe is just as credible as the Quran then? Or science?

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No it wouldn’t, learn the difference between neutral and positive. Fuck...

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But that belief could not be proven right nor wrong right? Based on your nuetral thing.

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I didn’t say they all deserved equal credibility. And by the way, this statement is talking to people who are saying things like “Muslims are evil” or “Jews are thieves” or “Atheists are Satanists”, it’s not saying “Hey, you’re all right." It’s saying “Can’t you just fuck off and leave us alone unless you want to be treated the same way?"