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23 Feb 2008 09:48 am
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Threadomancing = bringing back dead threads (over a year old or something)

Long ago I suggested to Bjarne to delete threads past a certain date to prevent that, but I think he has a certain attachment to his work over the years and doesn’t want to lose it. I just let it go because it’s not too much of a problem, but it’s really gotten out of hand in www lately.
An alternative would be to lock them.

A new idea occurred to me that perhaps we could make a section of the site for old threads. Perhaps archive.moviecodec.com and/or archive.lounge.moviecodec.com
Just dump all threads over 18 months old there and make them locked.

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23 Feb 2008 02:11 pm
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They should be deleted. There is no reason to keep threads over 6 months old. There are a lot of past threads that SHOULD be deleted because if anybody ran into them this site would be in big trouble.
Locking is simply not enough. I’m saying this for the safety of this site, it’s people, and it’s creator.
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23 Feb 2008 02:14 pm
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anonymous wrote: Threadomancing = bringing back dead threads (over a year old or something)

Long ago I suggested to Bjarne to delete threads past a certain date to prevent that, but I think he has a certain attachment to his work over the years and doesn’t want to lose it. I just let it go because it’s not too much of a problem, but it’s really gotten out of hand in www lately.
An alternative would be to lock them.

A new idea occurred to me that perhaps we could make a section of the site for old threads. Perhaps archive.moviecodec.com and/or archive.lounge.moviecodec.com
Just dump all threads over 18 months old there and make them locked.

Thoughts? Opinions?



very good idea. I like it.
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23 Feb 2008 02:17 pm
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most site do have archives...

and if you delete old threads, it lowers teh power count of all the people that posted in that thread...

but idk an archive would take too long to set up... with a site this big anyway... and some of the revived topics are fun to talk in ... smiley
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23 Feb 2008 02:18 pm
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true.
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23 Feb 2008 02:28 pm
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Skull_Kid wrote: most site do have archives...

and if you delete old threads, it lowers teh power count of all the people that posted in that thread...

but idk an archive would take too long to set up... with a site this big anyway... and some of the revived topics are fun to talk in ... smiley


Some of the topics. Actually, a lot of the old topics contain stuff that would get this site demolished and land Bjarne in jail.
It’s better post count is lowered instead of risking that.
Plus, deleting posts and topics does not have to lower post count. The post count can remain the same but all the old topics over 6 months old can still be deleted. It’s just changing thee system around.
It can be changed so old posts only add to post counts instead of take away from them.
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23 Feb 2008 02:30 pm
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out with the old and in with the new. in a sense
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23 Feb 2008 02:44 pm
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I would also urge that topics over 6 months old in Bjarne’s back up follow the same rules applied to here. It is much safer for Bjarne, this site, and its posters. Plus, I have witnessed many times that members released other people’s personal information without their consent. The mods deleted them or edited them but they’re still in Bjarne’s back up, which kind of defeats the purpose of deleting them and I have noticed it actually makes some people uncomfortable with their information still out there.
I understand that any topics deleted by a crazy mod can be lost forever but I am suggesting a solution to that. Anything over 6 months old and that is not stickied should be deleted because nobody cares about them anyways. They should be deleted both here and in the back up Bjarne keeps through an automatic system or pruning. Once deleted they should be deleted for good. If this is not already done I am suggesting that edits done by members or mods are permanent after 24 or 48 hours in the back up just like on this site. That does not mean they can’t be edited, it just means that the newest edit totally erases the old post or edit and becomes the new one in 24 or 48 hours. The member or mod can always go back and edit it again as usual and then after another 24 to 48 hours the edit takes effect in the back up also. This is to insure people’s protection of personal information and whatever else.
I suggest that post counts can only be added to but not subtracted from. In this way people can still maintain their status but can rest assured that any slip ups they had in the past regarding private information or anything that can be used to identify them are completely erased. The same goes for anything stupid members have posted that could get this site in trouble. I have seen a lot of that and it is foolish of us to think just locking them is going to make everything alright. It won’t if they’re still on here and the back ups and someone is offended by it enough to press charges. We already had someone on here threatening another member with legal action.
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24 Feb 2008 11:22 am
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Just to clear things up: when mods delete posts, your post count is not affected.

When I made the thread, I had somewhat different ideas in mind. See this page for an example
http://www.moviecodec.com/topics/10372p7.html
This is mostly what I want to stop. A while back, it was quotes without anything, but Bjarne remedied that to prevent them. Now they’re just typing nonsense; sometimes it’s hard to tell if it’s even a genuine post (“thxxxx” or “i need this too” without anything else).
There’s been a lot of this in www lately. However I am only one person, and I can’t catch them all (especially in threads thousands of posts long). Perhaps someone has a grudge against me?

One thing I was thinking of was the ability to go back and delete posts in the archive (for mods who have time) because a lot of stuff goes uncatched.

Obviously the moderating people do in the lounge is very different, because it has a social element to it. For example in www, some solutions or URL’s posted in 2004 may not work anymore, but people still bring them up and whine about them not working.

One other thought that came to mind was locking or deleting threads past a certain date is not so simple. For instance some threads (who’s on now, most reponded forum ever, stickies) are very old, and somehow you’d have to set exceptions.

About the privacy concern: I think you make a good point about posts that have personal information, and may not be permanently deleted.
One way I thought about this was as follows:
The delete button for mods could have options... like
- duplicate post
- nonsense (“spam” as they call it in lounge) (for example a post that says 'yeah' or 'hi' without anything else or gibberish)
- real spam (advertising)
- flaming/profanity/trolling/fighting
- personal information
with personal information going for perma-delete (perhaps after review)

Of course these are just ideas...

The bottom line is, where and how do we want to store things? Delete it? Archive it? Archive it offline? I don’t think the site will crumble under its weight (I mean these are just bits on hard drives), but some management may prevent information overload.

One thing which may not be implementable, which I’d always wanted to see, was splittable threads. Often times people make posts totally unrelated to the original thread, but with valid points. The thread title doesn’t reflect it, making it difficult to search. You’d just cut the thread at the post that goes off a tangent, and make it another thread. Of course in the lounge that’s sometimes ok because it’s social, but in www, I wish we could maintain some order.
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If all of this seems like too much, you could always do moviecodec.com, part 2. And dump everything on archive.moviecodec.com. Starting from a clean slate may actually work, but you’d have to plan it carefully. Like craft categories, rules, mods, FAQ, etc. so that it’s all ready to go when the onslaught of new posts starts.
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24 Feb 2008 11:29 am
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So you mean to start over? In a sense of things?
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