Mystic Gohan vs Goku Super Saiyan 4

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Well, I’ll just get season 6 when it comes out on DVD, and change the audio for future preference.

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iight i am off to bed

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1. Erm yes i can Cus Goku would run out of energy and be Fat Buu’s Bitch lol

2. OMFG SSJ3 Goku couldnt beat Fat Buu ok SSJ4 was fully charged by a weakened Gohan Trunk’s and Goten and alittle bit of Pan lol, Mystic Gohan is Ubove Super Buu (Fat Buu/Grey Buu) and SSJ3 Gotenk’s (Fused SSJ3 Goten and Trunk’s)

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1. He didn’t run out of energy. He ran out of time.
2. He couldn’t beat him because his time on earth was running out. If he had more time, then he possibly could. He may be above SSJ3, as you say, but that still doesn’t make him above SSJ4.

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Wow, this is funny there are still people saying that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ4 Goku, give it up, it is way too obvious that Goku is much stronger, I am talking 5 times stronger than Mystic Gohan. SSJ4 Goku is about 30-40 times stronger than rildo, the same rildo that was as strong or stronger as stated than majin buu, most likely kid buu, because that was the goku really battled with. Gohan is nowhere near 30-40 times stronger than kid buu, he is stronger, but only about 5-7 times stronger, so goku is about 4-5 times stronger than Mystic Gohan. SSJ4 goku would make short work of any villain in DBZ including Gohan Absorbed Super Buu. To say that SSJ4 is barely stronger than SSJ3 is ridiculous. GT goku SSJ4 is probably some where around 30 times stronger than SSJ3. Goku is about as strong as SSJ3 Goku in DBZ in his GT SSJ1 state.

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Here is my order of power in DBZ/GT for z fighters and major villains.

SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>Omega Shenron>>>>>Goku SSJ4 Limits Surpassed>Syn Shenron> SSJ4 Vegeta> SSJ Vegito> Nova Shenron > Ice Shenron> Super 17> Ozaru Bebi Vegeta > Bebi SSJ Form 3> Majuub > SSJ2 Gogeta>> Vegito> Gohan Absorbed Buu > Bebi SSJ Form 2 > Gotenks Absorbed Buu > Mystic Gohan > UUB GT> SSJ Bebi Form 1 > SSJ3 Goku GT> Vegita SSJ2 GT > Gohan GT > Janemba > Gotenks SSJ3> Super Buu > SSJ1 Gotenks > Metal Rildo> SSJ1 Goku GT > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu > Gotenks after training > Base Kid Goku GT > Majin Vegeta. I will stop there because it isn’t realy that relevant after that.

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Base Kid Goku is not stronger the vegeta.

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WTF bitch Kid Goku SSJ was weaker than Goku SSJ3 in Z by far and he was fighting evenly with Rildo the Dildo general Guy from GT, Fuck even Uub killed him in like 1 Ki blast in the Super 17 Saga so your logic is flawed Omniblast mo fuck.

Trunk’s even said he was giveing him too much credit and Pan flooring his ass make’s one seriosly doubt Rildo’s strenth was anything close to Kid Buu’s.

shit man next you will be saying Pan was stronger than Z Goten and Trunk’s pft, it had been 20 dam year’s since Kid Buu how the fuck would any of them remember exactly how strong Buu was nevermind Goku who had gone through a seriouse power lapse (witch is why Rildo probably senced so strong to his weakened state, Rildo was just significantly stronger than anyone Goku had fought in a long time).

So let me make it clear SSJ4 rechived a full power recharge from the weakened Gohan Trunk’s and Goten even lil Pan and owned Babi Mystic Gohan was stronger than a fused Goten and Trunk’s in SSJ3 who actually trained alot.

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Gohan was weaker in GT

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ok since they say that mystic gohan has the power of a level 6 ssj inside him that puts him ova ssj4 goku.......y do u think he was neva able to change into a ssj during that whole fight...... i read this a while ago when i was really into dbz it said that gohan was not capable of changing into a ssj cuz the power released was thaT OF A LEVEL 6 SSJ AND WOULD’VE destroyed that planet and earth had he been able to change......thats just wat i read from akria toyama....and gohan stopped training afta z since he was married and had a kid so he was mad weak....even buu said when he absorbed gohan that he had an unlimited supply of ki energy......had gohan been able to change he would’ve destroyed buu

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First off, I trust Goku’s word over trunks, trunks never even fought kid buu, he wasn’t even on the same planet when kid buu was fighting, and he didn’t fight rildo like goku did, and was no where near as good as goku in reading other people’s Ki. Base goku in DBZ could not beat cell and Frieza at the same time. So if Goku was so much weaker in GT how could he possibly play around with Frieza and Cell the way he did. If Gohan was as strong as a SSJ6 he would have been much stronger than SSJ Vegito, and would have been able to destroy any of buus forms. Where did you hear that anyway, that was never ever stated, maybe by some fanboy. Mystic Gohan is about 4-5 times stronger that SSJ3 DBZ Goku, definitely not strong enought to be 3 SSJ levels a head of him. And why were the Kai’s so impressed with SSJ4 Goku if he was so much weaker than he was before. Goku had been constantly training for 10 years it was impossible for him to get weaker between Z and GT.

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see but y didnt he change like every1 else..........and it was from akira toriyama’s mouth when speaking on the power levels of the characters..........its jus tfunny that ssj3 goku was there when mystic gohan power up and couldn’t believe the power he was displaying without even transforming into ssj and he fought a more powerful buu in super buu.(according to the power levels super buu was the strongest buu since kid buu was just his original form.......and sorry goku did get weaker cuz when he got turned into a kid his body isnt ably to hold his power and ubuu and vegita were the strongest till goku went ssj4........ive been into dbz for as long as its been out and know sooooo much about this it’s not even funny

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and if u look at every post im in i dont make up shit at all i get facts and if sum1 proves me wrong i give credit for that...........but im not gonna b able to remeber the site i saw that on cuz it was 14 yrs ago

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Ok, then you still didn’t answer my question, on how a weaker goku in his base form was able to humiliate perfect cell there is no way goku in DBZ could have done this. Goku did not get weaker, it never says that once, and if you can show me where it does I will believe you, his body just could not hold the stress of being a ssj3, that is very different from having a weaker powerlevel.And while your at it show me where akira toriyama says that mystic gohan is like a SSJ6 because when you do that I will believe you, until then what you are saying is meaningless. Once again I say, that if Gohan was SSJ6 strength there is no way that Gotenks absorbed buu could have destroyed him the way he did. If he was that strong and Gotenks buu was even stronger, the kick that Gotenks buu landed on Goku in SSJ3 would have been an instant death, because buu was enraged and was trying to kill goku. It would have been like Gohan one shoting the cell jrs. A SSJ6 would have been stronger than a potara fused SSJ1 by quite a bit. And goku is the expert on power levels, he has been since the beginning of DBZ, not even picolo can sense power like he can. So when he says that Rildo is stronger than buu, then Rildo is stronger than buu.So SSJ1 Goku GT was on the same level as SSJ3 Goku in DBZ. Like I said before Trunks comment after can be disreguarde for three reasons, Trunks had a lot less experience than goku with reading powerlevels, Trunks did not fight rildo like goku did, and trunks wasn’t even on the same planet when goku fought kid buu. So goku’s word>>>>trunks' word. And why do you keep mentioning Mystic Gohan being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, did I ever say that he wasn’t, I already said Gohan was 4-5 times stronger than Goku at that point, now I think that is ver generous, he probably was only 2-3 times stronger, but I feel like give gohan the benefit of the doubt. Is it something that makes you feel good, saying that Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Thing is the post is SSJ4 Goku, who is a lot stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Plus Omega Shenron was the strongest villain in any dragonball series by a long shot according to what the Kais said. So obviously a stronger hero will fight a stronger villain. Mystic Gohan is not the full sayain potential, he is just the maximum potential that gohan could have in that body. If mystic power up was that strong, than the elder kai would have done it to Goku instead of making him a SSJ4.

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Base kid goku in GT is stronger than Majin Vegeta, in response to SupermanPrime27. Not by much but he definitely is. Majin Vegeta could have probably made short work of Cell and Frieza also, but Goku just played around with them, made their attacks look like child’s play. Plus we can only assume that both cell and Frieza were stronger when they last fought on earth. Since they had been training, proof being the fact that they learned a new technique. Even if they improved 50% from almost 20 years earlier. That would make perfect cell much stronger than his super perfect form. Which would put him at a strong SSJ2 level, probably slightly stronger than gohan at the cell games, who would still be weaker than Majin Vegeta, but not to the degree that he was to base goku gt.

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i think super cell and frieza had lower power levels than when they were on earth and plus defeating them both at the same time does not mean anything majin vegita can defeat a hudred of each easily

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this is wat u dont get in gt cell and freeza was weak no1 trains in hell....and y didnt he change that wat u dont get is that gohan neva changed into a ssj and y do u think that is......and he didnt give it to goku cuz even goku says gohan is the strongest so y didnt he change when every1 else did and its funny that afta buu absorbed him he was able to change.......just like it messed up vegitto’s fusion

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and like i told u it was like 12 yrs ago i dont need to lie just think about how even vegitto was able to turn to ssj every ssj turned ssj except gohan and he beat buu’s ass without changing..........but afta he was absorbed he changed perfectly fine now y is that if he didnt have that power in him of ssj6 since the kids were gonna fuse again till he showed up and even piccolo was shocked when gohan showed so no1 knows him like piccolo since he trained him...even goku didnt know his full potential till piccolo told him then he trained in the 24hr in a day room and found out how strong gohan was........and goku himself said he couldnt beat cell he just fought him so gohan can know how he fights since piccolo says to goku i c now y u fought him 1st cuz gohan was reading all cell’s moves

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wow all these dbz fanboys and yall don’t no shit about Mystic Gohan. stop watching the us dbz and watch the jap dbz and you’ll see that Mystic Gohan after getting power up. if he went super saiyajin he would have destroyed the planet. yo papamidnight down load the jap one so i can post it up so these noobs can

Last edited 28 Jun 2008 07:08 pm by heavenly king

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Cell and Freiza were weaker in GT notice how Pikkon owned them in one move and Goku could match him blow for blow in the tornament when Pikkon was actually trying?

Plus Goku train’s an aditional 7yr’s in otherworld after this in the most intence enviorment’s possible (so yea he could most likely own Freiza and Cell no problem in base form), GT Goku went soft untill Uub came along at the Tornament, he had no real competition and no real ground’s to train on that compared with Otherworld’s.

Mystic was stronger than SSJ4 ad it was fully powered by Trunk’s Gohan and Goten who were all alot weaker than their Z Incarnate’s