Mystic Gohan vs Goku Super Saiyan 4

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Cell got beat up by Pikkon in DBZ not GT, it was right after he was killed by Gohan, and was mainly because he did not powerup because he did not expect pikkon to be so strong. Funny that everyone talks about how strong Mystic Gohan is yet he got his ass handed to him by Gotenks Aborbed Buu, So I guess gotenks absorded buu was as strong as a SSJ7. And Gohan absorbed buu must have been like a SSJ8 right? So how come gotenks absorbed buu did not kill goku when he kicked if he was the equivalent of 4 ssj levels above him. if he was that much stronger, he would have had a one hit kill on goku like Gohan did with the Cell Jrs. So I guess goku was either lying or he was just really dumb in DBGT, cause he flat out said Rildo was stronger than Majin Buu, there is no evidence in all of GT to show that Goku’s powerlevel decreased, and not being able to sustain SSJ3 does not count, this was not due to lack of powerlevel, he just couldn’t sustain SSJ3 with such a small body. He had to get use to a new body, also the reason why he couldn’t due instant transmission, which also is obviously not due to lack of powerlevel. And what is up with nobody trains in hell, I guess Cell and frieza just woke up one day know their new technique, yeah that makes a lot of sense. Gohan only had the most potential at that point in time, they did not know the power that could be unlocked by growing back their tail. If Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ4 goku, why didn’t the kais retrain gohan to be able to fight omega shenron, probably because omega shenron would have kicked mystic gohan’s ass into next tuesday. The kais even said omega shenron was the strongest opponent they had ever faced, including gohan absorbed buu that means.

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ok yo u still havent answered my question if he didnt have the power in him to do ssj6 then y was he the only ssj not to change to ssj during that buu fight.........and it says that mystic gohan didnt have to change cuz it give him power without changing......meaning without changing he had power on ssj3 level....now think about it y didnt he change when buu absorbed gotenks.......cuz if he did it would’ve blew up the planet.....use ur head and think y he didnt change.....and ur logic is foolish....and they didnt train gohan cuz he quit training if u know dbz he met bedel and had a kid and got married he stopped training....and akira toriyama said gohan was to be the focus of gt but the fans wanted goku bac so they went away from gohan

but sum1 else asked that question to

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Dragon-Ball-DB-2105/Mystic-Gohan-1.htm

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You keep saying he had the power to do SSJ6, but he never did, so saying he could is just speculating. Plus a SSJ4 would have been as strong in GT as a SSJ6 was in DBZ, same reason why SSJ1 Goku could take on a metal rildo a person stronger than kid buu, who his SSJ3 DBZ counterpart could not beat. SSJ1 GT = SSJ3 DBZ, so SSJ2 GT would be about a SSJ4 in DBZ, and a SSJ3 Goku in GT if he would have been able to contain in would have be around a SSJ5 and a SSJ4 as strong as a SSJ6. But lets just say that gohan was as strong as a SSJ6, why was he so impressed with how strong a SSJ4 goku was if he himself was once stronger. It is because he was never stronger than SSJ4 Goku, maybe he had the potential to be but he never actually atained that powerlevel. Just respond to these statements, if you can respond adequately I will be satisfied. Give me proof that GT goku is weaker than DBZ goku. Give me proof that goku was wrong when he said Metal rildo was a strong as Majin buu. Tell me how Cell and Frieza learned their new technique without training in hell. If you can show proof for these things I will back off.

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no im saying that the power in him which was mystic combined with him turning would emit power on the level of a ssj6 not saying he will take form of a ssj6.....if he turned which he couldn’t the power unleashed would b ssj6 but he would die and everything else aroung him........im not saying that he could win im saying he had the power but if let loose he would die and every1 else around him is all....ssj4 power levels r way above him but im saying that if gohan turned which the kaio said he couldnt cuz the mix would b tooo powerful and he would die and so wont every1 around him................and if gohan kept training we wouldn’t have this conversation....

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I actually agree with you, if gohan would have kept training he would have been stronger than SSJ4 Goku, the mystic power brought out all his potential, but that doesn’t mean that he could have become stronger. If the elder kai would have done the mystic power up while gohan had been on Namek, gohan would have become a lot stronger, but not as strong as he did. If gohan would have continued strengthening his body and training he could have become exponentially stronger. I am not doubting Gohan’s strength I know he was by a long shot the strongest non fused being in DBZ, I just think that SSJ4 Goku was stronger, and that is why everyone was so impressed when they saw it. Other wise you know Vegita would have made some crack at how Goku still wasn’t as strong as gohan was during his fight with Buu. I really think that SSJ4 Goku could have beat Buu with Gotenks absorbed. It is very hard to compare characters from Z to GT because GT was very inconsistent, and believe me I like DBZ a lot more than GT, but besides the SSJ3 problem in GT goku seems to be much stronger than his Z counterpart.

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Ok brother let’s compare shall we

GT Goku could not contain SSJ3 for more than a 1 minute
Z Goku could hold SSJ3 for 30 minute’s to be exact

So Kid Goku SSJ3 was much weaker as his punch did nothing to Bebi-Vegeta form 1 when Vegeta was said to have grown weaker due to his age (he is around 60)

Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku fought on Par But Goku could not beat him without SSB (Super Spirit Bomb) and to note Super Buu (Grey Buu/Mr Buu) was stronger than Kid Buu witch was solidly owned by Mystic Ultimate Gohan.

General Lock Base Form couldent take SSJ Kid Goku, Hyper Mega Lock was barely on par with him and Metal Lock beat the shit out or SSJ Kid Goku they wern’t on par at all.

Next Goku say’s he THINK’S Lock is the strongest essance he has ever felt even stronger than Buu’s, now it has been 20yr’s since that battle (that’s why he is unsure) and Goku himself now is alot weaker makeing Lock seem much stronger than he really was, and Trunk’s only said he was giveing him WAY too much credit cus he could only sence his base form’s power (the one Pan decked who herself was <Trunk’s SSJ GT who is <Trunk’s SSJ Z who is many time’s <Kid Buu who is under Super Buu who is very much <Mystic Ultimate Gohan).

Next Lock is killed in one blast by Majuub in the Super 17 Saga (Uub/Mr Buu = Super Buu = /Mr Buu/Grey Buu), and to note Grey Buu owned Mr Buu flawlessly Mr Buu actually was able to hit Kid Buu and last with him for awhile as Mr Buu could fight SSJ3 Goku but of course, so Super Buu is alittle over Majuub’s power level to say the least.

Now the main point is Goku SSJ4 was Fully powered up by Gohan SSJ GT<Gohan SSJ Z<SSJ2<Ultimate Mystic Form, Goten SSJ GT<Goten SSJ Z Trunk’s SSJ GT<Trunk’s SSJ Z and Pan.

Then he owned Babi no problem and even said he never would have become that powerful if it wasnt for them witch is a lol in itself them being pathetic compared with their former being’s lmao.

so isn’t it made apparent enough Goku was depowered also in GT?

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actually you just proved my point for me. How can you say Goku is depowered in DBGT. You just got done saying that Majuub was just slightly below superbuu, which he was. Yet majuub was much weaker than form 3 bebi vegeta. Bebi Vegeta in this form was probably close to 1.2- 1.4 times stronger than Majuub or and about as strong as SuperBuu. So that means that Ozaru Bebi Vegeta was somewhere between 12 and 14 times stronger than Majuub or and about 10 times as strong as Superbuu, SSJ4 Goku was on par with this, so he also was about 10-11 times stronger than superbuu. Remember also that during his fight with Syn Shenron, Goku had a huge power increase, at first his attacks had absolutely no effect on Syn, but after the powerup he was destroying him, this change would have had to take atleast a 50% power up. So that means by that point we was between 15-16 times stronger than superbuu. Now I know that Mystic Gohan was a great deal stronger than superbuu, but I mean at best he was 3 times stronger, and I think that is greatly overestimated, because if he was that much stronger, he would have still be able to Buu even when he had absorbed gotenks and piccolo. So how do you figure that goku in gt, 18-20 times stronger than superbuu is underpowered compared to a SSJ3 DBZ goku who probably a little stronger than half of superbuu’s power. This just doesn’t make sense. Once again I state, goku could not hold his SSJ3 form due to his size, not his powerlevel, just the same reason why he couldn’t do instant transmission. Actually SSJ1 Goku was on par with Metal Rildo, rildo just had a slight advantage because of the planet they were on. Goku did lose that battle, but he had the greater powerlevel. But since he stated that Rildo was stronger than kid buu, that still puts kid buu = SSJ1 goku GT or atleast close to it. where in DBZ, if goku would have tried to fight as a SSJ1 against kid buu, he would have been destroyed. So like I said goku definitely was not depowered, just had a few kinks in his new body. So unless you can show me that gohan was more than 15 times stronger than super buu we have nothing left to talk about.

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whats this about?

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you got dragon ball z 3 bodikitenki-tiechi 3

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Dude wtf Majuub even told babi he perposefully let him win that power struggle as he wasnt so rediculousely untrained he could be beat by his own ability lol, Babi was stronger than Goku ssj4 untill Gohan Goten and trunk’s gave him their power and Babi was 10 time’s his preiviouse strenth witch prove’s your theroy wrong as Gohan trunk’s and Goten wernt stronger than Vegeta alone nevermind ten of him and babi being amplified by blutz wave’s.

So babi’s power was nowere near were you estimate it to be mate, he might have been close to superbuu’s strenth tho (Golden Oozaru Vegeta/Babi Mr Buu/Grey Buu) because Mr Buu can match an SSJ3 and Grey Buu can pwn Mr Buu, so both could beat Vegeta and Babi pal Majuub let form 3 win is all, so he could beat him from within (but the blutz wave’s obviously made him alot stronger).

General Lock was one shot killed by Majuub dude end of he was fuck all to kid Buu

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sub ssj forms...
super vegito (not ssj2orssj1 but sub form)
ultra ssj level 1 used by vegeta and trunks
ultra ssj level2 used by trunks
GT gogeta not he is not ssj4 sub form
legendary ssj another sub ssj form

The popularity of Dragon Ball Z was such that a third TV series was eventually produced. This series, called Dragon Ball GT, does not follow anything written by Akira Toriyama, although he did create some character designs and give it his blessing.

1.you have no proof of his power limit
2.proof of power level
3.his power rapidly grows
4.destroys galaxy and we dont know if he done it desparately,planet by planet,or with one blast,or created a chain reaction,we dont know he destroyed
5.you cant say mystic gohan or ssj4 gogeta are stronger than him just because they are from a different time line its like saying DBGT uub is stronger than super vegito because uub is from a further time line
5.and broly is only destroyed by his weakness in both movies bio broly doesnt count
6.we have never seen broly actually angry so we dont know if he could release more power
7.legendary ssj is different to ssj1,2,3,4 its kind of like a sub level just like super vegito even though he looks ssj2 he is not its like a sub form since we know super vegito is way more powerfull than mystic gohan who is stronger than super buu and we know super buu is on the same level as ssj3
8.in the early episodes vegeta uses a desperate move which allows him to destroy a planet even though he had a very low powerlevel and vegeta did mantion that every ssj has a desperate move meaning broly has one to if vegeta could destroy a planet at a power level of below 15-20 thousand using his desperate move imagin what broly could who was born at a power level of 10000 meaning he could destroy a planet as a baby because a desperate move encreases your power as you are about to use it and we know vegeta wasnt that much above power level 10000 when he’s planet buster was deflected by goku

its all very stupid comparing character powers because just because some fan says ssj4gogeta is stronger than broly doesnt make it so
because we dont know broly’s power level

and akira toriyama did say mystic gohan was the most powerfull unfused character in dbz meaning you cant really debate ssj3goku vs mystic gohan because you cant say the creator is wrong that is just stupid and he also said super vegito is the most power full character in dbz in his interviews
he’s favourite character is piccolo...
meaning mystic gohan is stronger than broly,janemba,super buu
akira said most power full none fused character meaning mystic gohan is more power full than any other none fused character in dbz...
we all know super buu gotenks is equal to two ssj3’s having gotenks who is ssj3 and super buu who equals ssj3 meaning super buu gotenks is equal to two ssj3’s meaning if they was ssj6 he would be equal to it
meaning mystic gohan is equal to ssj3’s since he can fight super buu gotenks who is equal to two ssj3’s/=ssj6
super buu gohan should be equal to 3 ssj3’s meaning so thats ssj3+ssj3+ssj3=ssj9 strong...
super buu equal ssj3+mystic gohan equal to two ssj3’s
super buu gohan is ssj9 strong
super vegito we know is stronger than super buu gohan we all know is ssj9 strong and we all know the over rated GT gogeta you cant really call him ssj4 because he is not ssj4 (subssj)
GT gogeta having two ssj4’s he is ssj8 strong weaker than super buu gohan and also weaker than super vegito
this is why people think GT GOgeta is stronger
he is in a further time line
made up by two ssj4’s
whiles super vegito
is made up of goku ssj2+vegeta ssj2+potara
but we know normal vegito was as strong as super buu gohan meaing he couldnt have been ssj4 strong had to be way more than that
people always dismiss my theory because they are in denial

The Rules Of Dragon Ball Z


1) You are tougher than your environment — This is proved time and time again in the series as Goku and company are smashed through mountains, walls, trees and what not with few ill effects.

2) You are NOT the baddest bad ass in town — No matter how tough you are, there is always someone tougher or more powerful waiting in the wings. Goku and Piccolo defeat Raditz only to encounter Nappa, then Vegita, then Freezer, then....

3. Size is not an indicator of power — Goku was a short little kid who could wallop most anyone at the start of Dragon Ball. Kulilin is the shortest of the Z-fighters and is also one of the most powerful. Freezer’s final form was rather short and very slim, yet he could whip almost anyone at that point.

4. Power is often an indicator of size — The bigger they are the harder they hit, the harder they hit. Piccolo, Cell, Buu; these guys are very powerful and all of them are fairly tall and/or broad.

5. The best weapons aren’t guns and swords, it’s fists and chi blasts — Guns are useless in Dragon Ball. Most major characters are virtually immune (or unhitable) by people with firearms, and the damage they can dish out is far in excess of even the largest bombs. Even Trunks abandons his sword after training in the Room of Spirit and Time.

6. Be prepared for weird science — Cybermen are grown from small seeds and a drop of water in a matter of minutes. Vegita trains in a 100 G room. Hovercraft, reactionless drive starships, highly advanced cybernetics, genetic engineering, and devices (such as planes) that can be collapsed down to the size of a large pill. Dragon Ball Z is full of outlandish science and technology, most of which is there just to move the plot along.

7. It’s a universe full of Star Trek aliens — and just like Star Trek, there are almost no non-humanoid races in the series. On top of that, aliens can interbreed — witness Goku and Chi Chi’s children (Gohan and Goten) as well as Vegita and Bulma’s (Trunks and Bra).

Now that that’s out of the way... On with the show!

trunks sword is not ordinary just like thors hammer...


so you cant really have some stupid thread like goku vs guy with a sword...or spiderman because we all know if we hit spider man with an axe in the head he would be cut unlike dragon ball goku who got hit by one and the axe broke and we saw goku lift bulma’s car in dragon ball as a kid and get shot by a shot gun at close range meaning people like spiderman wolverine and that cant do nothing to kid goku

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broly kicked videl but she did not die but he was much stronger than her its about how much force you put into the blows

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Gohan vs. Majin Buu:

Gohan - Mystic: 1,000,000,000
Majin Buu - Super: 850,000,000
Majin Buu - Fusion: 1,250,000,000

Winner: Majin Buu

DragonBall GT Saga


Bebi Era

Pilaf: 100
Son Goku: 600,000,000
Chibi Son Goku: 200,000,000
Chibi Son Goku Super Saiyan: 250,000,000
Chibi Son Goku Super Saiyan 2: 350,000,000
Chibi Son Goku Super Saiyan 3: 400,000,000
Son Goku Golden Oozaru: 800,000,000
Son Goku Super 4: 950,000,000
Vegeta: 500,000,000
Vegeta Super Saiyan: 550,000,000
Vegeta Super Saiyan 2: 600,000,000
Vegeta Bebi-Ooharazu: 900,000,000
Son Gohan: 300,000,000
Son Gohan Super Saiyan: 350,000,000
Son Gohan Super Saiyan 2: 400,000,000
Son Goten: 100,000,000
Son Goten Super Saiyan: 150,000,000
Trunks: 200,00,000
Trunks Super Saiyan: 250,000,000


Evil Shenlong Era Saga

All 7 Shenlongs: 750,000,000
All the weakened Shenlongs: 500,000,000
The last Shenlong after absorbing the Dragon Balls: 1,200,000,000
Son Gokou: 650,000,000
Son Gokou Super Saiyan: 700,000,000
Son Gokou Super Saiyan 2: 750,000,000
Son Gokou Super Saiyan 3: 800,000,000
Son Gokou Super 4: 1,000,000,000
Vegita: 800,000,000
Vegita Super Saiyan: 850,000,000
Vegita Super Saiyan 2: 900,000,000
Vegita Super Saiyan 4: 1,000,000,000
Gogeta Super Saiyan 4: 1,500,000,000




Not sure if these are right. I never got into GT so I have no idea what a “Son Gokou” is.

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Those power levels are fake.

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Kay. Jeez, I didn’t know. Just trying to help.

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Mystic Gohan was alot stronger GT fucked everything up tho

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cuz the fans wanted goku to b the main focus even the creator himself says so and gohan is a ssj2 without the power up and the mystic training brought out ssj3 without even transforming thats y theu said he couldnt change to ssj cuz it would b level ssj6 power which he cant handle cuz thats like if goku turned ssj4 while skipping ssj2 and ssj3 at the time he would’ve died cuz his training and body wouldn’t b able to handle the transformation.....and the power levels r right i saw that same site i left the link on this page..... it’s stated that kid goku was weaker and couldn’t keep ssj3 cuz of the strain on his body it couldn’t hold the power he had cuz vegita was stronger than him the whole time till he turned ssj4 y is that when goku was stronger than vegita at the end of z so y is he weaker.....remeber baby jumped into vegita afta going in gohan which if he still trained he would’ve stayed cuz he was looking for the strongest host so y didnt he get goku.....and like i said gohan stopped training they made goku the focus if u dont remeber who was the strongest in z it was gohan

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GT didn’t make any sense.

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it didnt cuz android 17 fused got beat by bummy chibi non ssj4 goku but he owned ssj4 while they fought

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Plus half breed’s>pure blood’s as Vegeta depict’s in the manga