Mystic Gohan vs Goku Super Saiyan 4

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Potential wise Gohan could beat Goku. But skill and understanding of how to use potential goes to Goku.

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If gohan was the ultimate saiyan why did he get destroyed by gotenks absorbed buu? Elder Kai could only release the power that Gohan could handle in his current body. SSJ4 Goku is way above Mystic Gohan. SSJ4 goku by GT logic is about 150-180 times stronger than kid buu. Mystic Gohan is about 3-8 times stronger than kid buu, just depends on how strong you say kid buu is. But it isn’t even close. GT doesn’t make sense a lot of the time. But based of statements made in GT SSJ4 Goku would be miles and miles above mystic gohan. Otherwise Elder Kai would have helped Gohan go Mystic again to help fight the Evil Shadow Dragons, the reason he didn’t was because even in his mystic level he wouldn’t stand a chance.

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I agree with you but I don’t know where you’re getting those numbers from.

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well obviously any numbers like that are opinion and speculation, but here is how I figure that goku is that much stronger than kid buu as a SSJ4. General Rildo is much stronger than kid buu, we know this because Goku had already said that Rildo was stronger than buu, than he stated that Rildo was stronger than he thought, this was all before rildo even became metal rildo. So conservatively saying lets say rildo his 80% stronger than kid buu. So Rildo max = 1.8 kid buu, so SSJ1 Goku also = 1.8 times kid buu. SSJ2 Goku would be obviously stronger, now GT SSJ Multipliers I think were reduced, I would put SSJ2 Goku was about 4.5 times stronger than Kid Buu, his SSJ3 Kid Version would be about 9-10 times stronger than kid buu. Now Form 1 bebe Vegeta was stronger than ssj3 kid Goku by some degree, I would put him at about 1.2 times Goku which would make him 11-12 times stronger than kid buu, I imagine that each of his two transformations conservatively gave him a 50% increase in strength. that means his form 3 would have been at about 20-25 times stronger kid buu. Now when Bebi transforms into an Oozaru, his power is multiplied times 10 so this would put Bebi Vegeta Oozaru at about 200-250 times kid buu’s strength. Now Goku was just below this, so this would actually put him around the 180-220 times stronger than kid buu, I stated it as conservatively as I could last time to keep people from saying that I was exagerating SSJ4’s power. Now this is as a new SSJ4, after his super power up against syn shenron he is most likely 300 times stronger than kid buu or more. I feel that these are conservative numbers, and if I made the SSJ multipliers larger the numbers would be much more. I have the difference between Goku SSJ1 and Goku ssj3 as only 5 times. now this is extremely conservative, most people would state that this is very low, but just so people don’t say I am exagerating things, I will keep it at that. That is how I get these numbers. Even if you vary a little you still get amount that is unimaginable during DBZ.

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interesting, good night.

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Goku got weaker and I think the Rildo being stronger than kid buu was an exaggeration and again Gohan at max>>>Goku had max.

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now why would goku exagerate, he did not have any reason to do so. He was very aware of exactly how strong kid buu was, he had been training with his reincarnation for 10 years.

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Not to mention he did most of the work fighting against him.

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Vegeta was stated to have gotten weaker and goku could fuse with him meaning that Goku is weaker in GT.

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No Goku was weakened in his battle against the shadow dragons and also perhaps super 17. Goku was able to at least hit omega shenron, vegeta seemed to get hurt as soon as he came into the fight. Not to mention Goku lasted longer in his ss4 form than vegeta. Goku was a ss4 long before vegeta came so even though he lost power first he was fighting for a longer time.

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super 17 was the only person that said that Vegeta was weaker, and he most likely said this to mess with Vegeta. Vegeta himself had stated that he continued training, that he had gotten much stronger, but that he could not keep up with Goku. Doesn’t sound to me like he got weaker. And that still wouldn’t explain how a weaker goku, could beat super perfect cell in base mode. Unless you think he could do this in DBZ also, doubtful since cell was at SSJ2 level. Your logic is very flawed and is based off of taunts from villains in GT, not statements from the characters such goku and Vegeta. Both Goku and Vegeta were much stronger in GT, just GOku was much stronger naturally than vegeta. Goku stated several times as a SSJ4 that he had never felt that type of power. Which obviously means that his SSJ4 was much stronger than his DBZ SSJ3. Yeah Vegeta SSJ4 was weaker than Goku SSJ4 Goku had just been fighting a lot longer, and was worn down.

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Like I said in the mystic gohan vs majuub discussion.
GT=next level after z

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Cell and Freeza were like weaker too as stated by Goku himself.

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I just watched the full fight Ka-El, goku never says that they got weaker, he only says that he is not worried because he got a lot stronger. Nice try though, I can show put a link her so you can watch the fight. Seems like you are forgetting a lot of the facts.

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Japanese verion please plus Cell was beat by someone that was on a SSJ1 level.And you’re forgetting the fact that half-blood sayian at full Potential>>>>> pure blood at full Potential.

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omniblast you are so right you know what you are talking about nothing you say is wrong it is all to right i wish i can met you.But seriosly this is a massive rape dont compare these two it is not fair goku without using 10 percent of his power would obliterate mystic gohan easily

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When they talked about half saiyans having a greater potential Kal-El, this was long before they had any idea that a Super Saiyan 4 existed. Had the known, they probably would not have said anything. I could potentially be a better athlete than you, but if you train hard and work harder than I do, you will be better than me. It is the same in this case. All elder Kai did was unlock all Gohan’s potential, that he had in his current state. Had Gohan kept training during the time of peace when the elder kai unlocked his potential it would have been a lot more. In other words Elder Kai could only unlock as much potential as gohan’s body could handle at that point. SSJ4 is so far ahead of Gohan it is not even funny. SSJ4 is far beyond even Gohan absorbed Buu. If gohan was the ultimate Saiyan in his mystic form, he would have totally destroyed gotenks absorbed buu.

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What exactly did they say in the japanese version?

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SS4 beyond mystic buu thats pretty dumb since he gets hurt by getting slammed into buildings when in Z they tank going throw mountain even Chibi would disagree with that horrible calution like when you thought that ssj4 was beyond post-crisis superman and superfriends superman.Also you do realize that buutenks is not a pure blooded sayian,right?This is toyal fail.

Plus SS4 is by Toi animated not AT.

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Power level isn’t necesarily related to durability