| 12 Oct 2008 12:48 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45  Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | Power levels arn’t tied to speed either. ---
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14 Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,425 OFFLINE | Well yes and no. In order to fully ascend from one super saiyan level to another speed needs to be increased as well as strength. | | | 12 Oct 2008 12:54 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | Giyu had the highest PL yet Burter was said to be the fastest in the giyu force and when giyu first fought Goku had the PL of 60,000 and Giyu at 140,000 yet Giyu stated that Goku was faster than him. ---
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Oderint Dum Metuant Rep: 105 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 37,478 ONLINE | some one new wrote:
Well yes and no. In order to fully ascend from one super saiyan level to another speed needs to be increased as well as strength.
But speed doesn’t exactly increase as well when you increase your power. Cell proved this when fighting Super Trunks. | | | 12 Oct 2008 12:56 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,425 OFFLINE | remember trunks and ss ultra? High power level low speed. But when Gohan went ss2 higher pl higher speed. | | | 12 Oct 2008 12:57 am |
Oderint Dum Metuant Rep: 105Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 37,478 ONLINE | some one new wrote:
remember trunks and ss ultra? High power level low speed. But when Gohan went ss2 higher pl higher speed.
Yep. Gohan and Goku didn’t train just to increase their muscle mass. | | | 12 Oct 2008 12:59 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,425 OFFLINE | Goku trains efficiently so in his case his power level is dictated by his speed. | | | 12 Oct 2008 02:24 am |
omniblast Guest | Burter thought he was the fastest on the Ginyu Force, he obviously was not, He was not able to follow the movements of a not fully charged Goku while Ginyu more or less was able to do so. Ginyu in reality was much faster than Burter. It wasn’t going through building that hurt Goku, it was the getting hit by a powerful enemy that hurt him, what he hit was just circumstancial. Powerlevel does increse speed also, with the exception of an Ultra super Saiyan, but that was a stated training error. That is why as their power level goes up, it is more difficult for the others to follow their movements. So speed is directly related with powerlevel. Goku was faster than Ginyu because his true powerlevel was above ginyu’s. Speed has to do with your true power level, not the powerlevel you are displaying to your enemy. I do think that SSJ4 is above post crisis superman, now I don’t think he is above all versions, I do believe he is inferior to pre cris, prime, one million, Kal-el 22, you know the uber powered versions, but yes he is above post crisis, also the animated superman series and justice league and justice league unlimited versions. | | | 12 Oct 2008 02:26 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | Unlike Burter Ginyu caught Goku off guard he even yelled out that Goku was careless Goku just wasn’t ready like he was with burter,Burter was faster get over it. Also Post crisis would destory SSJ4 since he struggled to lift a city block.Also powerlevel don’t say anything about if goku’s PL was hide than his speed would have been hiden if power level said anything about speed.Plus it was the building that did much of the damage hell the building didn’t even shatter like they did with mountains back in Z hell bleach characters hit harder than that. ---
Last edited 12 Oct 2008 02:43 am by Deviant Kal | | | 12 Oct 2008 02:37 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | Post edited and omniblast just sounds like a flat out GT fanboy. ---
Last edited 12 Oct 2008 02:42 am by Deviant Kal | | | 12 Oct 2008 01:51 pm |
omniblast Guest | That is funny Kal-El, I could swear you were just a superman fanboy, I really don’t care that much for GT, it is a decent series, not great by any means, I am just stating the facts like they are. It is funny how everytime I make a point, or an argument for GT, all you can say is that I am a GT Fanboy, is that your ultimate insult? wow it is a good one. Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force. Goku could hide his power, but he was using his power and speed in bursts against the Ginyu Force. Goku was using bursts of 90,000 against Burter and Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not. Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block, quit trying to downplay Goku’s feats, and yes I know half a city is not much compared to what post crisis superman lifts, but strength isn’t everything. When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering. ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building. You are trying to use opinion and state it as fact. You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change during his fight with the Ginyu Force, atleast not his total power level, the powerlevel he displays does change. Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent. | | | 12 Oct 2008 04:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,425 OFFLINE | omniblast wrote:
That is funny Kal-El, I could swear you were just a superman fanboy, I really don’t care that much for GT, it is a decent series, not great by any means, I am just stating the facts like they are. It is funny how everytime I make a point, or an argument for GT, all you can say is that I am a GT Fanboy, is that your ultimate insult? wow it is a good one. Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force. Goku could hide his power, but he was using his power and speed in bursts against the Ginyu Force. Goku was using bursts of 90,000 against Burter and Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not. Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block, quit trying to downplay Goku’s feats, and yes I know half a city is not much compared to what post crisis superman lifts, but strength isn’t everything. When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering. ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building. You are trying to use opinion and state it as fact. You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change during his fight with the Ginyu Force, atleast not his total power level, the powerlevel he displays does change. Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent.
Thats what superman guys always do. Down play Goku’s feats and put limits on his potential. | | | 12 Oct 2008 05:37 pm |
Regular Rep: 9 Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 390 OFFLINE | Mystic Kal El omniblast is correct and almost everything in gt >>>>>> z and your not giving any damn proof you are just saying mysyic gohan and mysic gohan buu >ssj4 goku because ssj4 goku got hurt by getting thrown into a building that is just dum ssj4 goku is far beyond anyone in dbz period | | | 12 Oct 2008 05:43 pm |
Regular Rep: 9Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 390 OFFLINE | Mysic Kal EL your a fanboy not omniblast your stating opinions and trying to turn it into facts and omniblast is stating facts and you cant prove him wrong you are beat on this vs thread face it and stop being a fanboy ok i am not trying to be mean but refresh on your dbz/gt facts and opinions and do us all a favour | | | 13 Oct 2008 12:23 pm |
omniblast Guest | thanks man, I appreciate the support. If anybody disagrees with Kal El they are automatically a fanboy, I would be a fanboy if I just said Goku would win no matter what with out giving any facts to back it up. | | | 14 Oct 2008 08:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | omniblast wrote:
That is funny Kal-El, I could swear you were just a superman fanboy, I really don’t care that much for GT, it is a decent series, not great by any means, I am just stating the facts like they are. It is funny how everytime I make a point, or an argument for GT, all you can say is that I am a GT Fanboy, is that your ultimate insult? wow it is a good one. Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force. Goku could hide his power, but he was using his power and speed in bursts against the Ginyu Force. Goku was using bursts of 90,000 against Burter and Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not. Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block, quit trying to downplay Goku’s feats, and yes I know half a city is not much compared to what post crisis superman lifts, but strength isn’t everything. When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering. ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building. You are trying to use opinion and state it as fact. You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change during his fight with the Ginyu Force, atleast not his total power level, the powerlevel he displays does change. Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent.
Now you’re denying facts.
| | | 14 Oct 2008 09:34 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | some one new wrote:
omniblast wrote:
That is funny Kal-El, I could swear you were just a superman fanboy, I really don’t care that much for GT, it is a decent series, not great by any means, I am just stating the facts like they are. It is funny how everytime I make a point, or an argument for GT, all you can say is that I am a GT Fanboy, is that your ultimate insult? wow it is a good one. Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force. Goku could hide his power, but he was using his power and speed in bursts against the Ginyu Force. Goku was using bursts of 90,000 against Burter and Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not. Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block, quit trying to downplay Goku’s feats, and yes I know half a city is not much compared to what post crisis superman lifts, but strength isn’t everything. When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering. ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building. You are trying to use opinion and state it as fact. You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change during his fight with the Ginyu Force, atleast not his total power level, the powerlevel he displays does change. Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent.
Thats what superman guys always do. Down play Goku’s feats and put limits on his potential.
So you’re saying Goku has no limits?
| | | 14 Oct 2008 09:50 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 45Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 2,432 OFFLINE | omniblast wrote:
Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force.
Now you’re just changing your story I don’t remember him saying that he was the fastest out of the four and it’s funny that I bought up facts that say Burter is faster than you say this.
Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not.
And you’re ignoreing the facts this is what makes you a fanboy.Ginyu caught Goku off- guid so off guild that even Jeice tagged him with a ki blast but he couldn’t earlier.See Goku wasn’t was prepared.Like he was when he first faced Burter and Jeice.Get over it.
Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block,
I was a block I didn’t see a city being lift and I can’t start an earthquake by going straight with a city hell the Hulk did the samething yet there wasn’t no earthquake.
When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering.
I don’t remember him being thrown into a building also this is Post’s weaker days.
ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building.
The force wasn’t enough to shatter a building like in Z were they shatter mountains.
You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change
Now you’re just makeing stuff up. When you hide your PL your hiding back power when Vegeta decided not to hide his PL he powered up and his PL changed meaning that the powerlevel does change
Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent.
And there are facts saying that is false and you’re denying them that is what makes you a fanboy.
Last edited 14 Oct 2008 09:51 am by Deviant Kal | | | 15 Oct 2008 02:15 pm |
omniblast Guest | No I am not changing my story, I am saying that Burter is faster than all the other members with the exception of Captain Ginyu. That was always my opinion, I only clarified it. Jeice caught Goku of guard because Goku was fighting Ginyu and was distracted because Goku had not fully powered up, and was having a somewhat hard time with Ginyu. You are always at your base, it doesn’t matter if you are hiding your power or not. Goku at that time had a base, and even though he hid it from Jeice and Burter, he was able to use that speed and power in bursts without it being detected from the scouter. When vegeta powered up, it was because he was going to his max, the same thing that goku did with Ginyu, both Vegeta and GOku have a base and have a max. You only need to power up when you go to your max. Goku was already fighting Ginyu at his base, when he saw that he was faster than Ginyu he got careless, that is when Jeice caught him off guard with the Crusher Ball. Jeice didn’t hit him with it though, Goku dodged it, it just gave Ginyu the opportunity to put goku in a Full Nelson. It seems like the only one to ignore facts here is you. ANd it was a City, otherwise why did the dragon think the whole city was going to be destroyed. And about the building, it is important to know that a building is hollow, that is why goku shot right through it, the building behind it was completely destroyed though.
Show me the facts that I am ignoring, I am willing to take a look at them if you can show them to me. prove to me that powerlevel doesn’t determine speed. | | | 15 Oct 2008 02:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 1,425 OFFLINE | Mystic Kal-El wrote:
some one new wrote:
omniblast wrote:
That is funny Kal-El, I could swear you were just a superman fanboy, I really don’t care that much for GT, it is a decent series, not great by any means, I am just stating the facts like they are. It is funny how everytime I make a point, or an argument for GT, all you can say is that I am a GT Fanboy, is that your ultimate insult? wow it is a good one. Ginyu was faster than burter get over it. Burter was just the fastest out of the four members of the Ginyu Force. Goku could hide his power, but he was using his power and speed in bursts against the Ginyu Force. Goku was using bursts of 90,000 against Burter and Jeice, he was using his full power of 180,000 against Ginyu, yet ginyu could follow Goku’s movements, and Burter and Jeice could not. Secondly, Goku was lifting half the city, not a city block, quit trying to downplay Goku’s feats, and yes I know half a city is not much compared to what post crisis superman lifts, but strength isn’t everything. When Superman first fought Doomsday, I don’t remember every building around them shattering. ANd how do you know the building caused Goku that much damage, did you year him say, wow this building his really hurting me? I am positive that the blow hurt much worse than the building. You are trying to use opinion and state it as fact. You can hide your powerlevel from Scouters but your powerlevel remains the same, Goku’s Powerlevel doesn’t change during his fight with the Ginyu Force, atleast not his total power level, the powerlevel he displays does change. Your true power level determines your strength and speed, not the power level you are showing your opponent.
Thats what superman guys always do. Down play Goku’s feats and put limits on his potential.
So you’re saying Goku has no limits?
He has limits as far as his physical body goes. He can’t turn thing into food or regenerate or absorb people. But technically as far as ki based abilities are concerned he potentially has no limits. Its just easier for Gohan to reach certain levels of power. Last edited 15 Oct 2008 02:21 pm by some one new | | |
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