also as much as you don’t like GT, and GT Goku, you can’t tell me that GT goku lost any power, because he didn’t you yourself has already stated that. We know that Base GT Goku beat a Cell Superior to the one who was Killed by SSJ2 Gohan. Cell had been training, so had frieza, that is why they had their new technique. DBZ goku, without transforming could not have beat these two. It is debateable whether or not his SSJ1 form could have beat them (you said that yourself ). And you say that the SSJ1 mulitplier is around 50. So you do the math.
It is ok to like DBZ better, I like it better too, but don’t just be a fanboy and say that anything from DBZ is stronger than anything from the other series. Popularity is popularity, and power is power, Dbz Goku is more popular, he is a better character, but gT GOKU is more powerful.
Ky wrote:
Okay, that’s fine. If somebody created a fanfic where a character was SSJ 100, guess you’d accept that, too. It has the title of DBZ, after all, right?
In all honesty, if it’s DBZ VS GT/movie character, I’m going to root for the original works over the other. If it’s GT/movie over someone else (say, Naruto), then obviously I’d choose GT.
i dont get what you are arguing this form is just mystic gohan vs ssj4. Why would it even matter if ssj 4 is magna or cannan or whatever in a hypothetical fight
Eh, it’s just my personal philosophy. I never really liked anything non-cannon, so that’s why I opt to stick with cannon. Not doing it to piss ppl off or anything.
Although, if I had to choose one if you base on just abilities, then SSJ4 Goku obviously. This isn’t even a contest if you look at it that way.
Too bad Mystic Gohan was so shafted. All he did was beat around Buu, then after he powered up, get bitch slapped around. Pathetic.
Hmmm Bebi Form 3 consist’s of Trunk’s Goten Gohan Bra and many earthling’s that were controled by Bebi whi intern had Vegeta and himself added to the strenth toll, next he got ten time’s stronger to be babi Oozaru, yet i fail to see were Goku raised his power even if ubove SSJ3 level and with Goten Trunk’s and Gohan also lil Pan rechargeing him i don’t see how he made up the gap seeing as how Bulma upped Bebi’s blutzz wave’s more so than before and Goku was almost out of energy...?
GT’s power toll is flawed all i know is Majuub was weaker to on par with a much weaker Gohan never mind his SSJ,SSJ2 or Mystic state’s, but going Cannon Gohan douse win this.
See Half saiyan/Human is stronger than just normal saiyan on any level (hence Gohan’s huge potentiol) witch he had unlocked many time’s little by little so Mystic was Gohan’s Full Potentiol as in comparison to Goku’s would be higher at any stage (witch their wasnt one Gohan had all his power in base form witch GT negglected to remember) so no waist in energy and the fullest he could be (so obviously more so than Goku SSJ3).
So Goku in noway could surpass his son’s potentiol unless of course lack of training (witch did accur TWICE) 7yr’s after Cell and 20yr’s after Buu, but here is the million dollar question Gohan in mystic could Crush Cell and Freiza (hell in the Janemba Movie he douse in one punch Chebi Goku could not however) Gotenk’s Buu was stronger than Mystic Gohan no doubt but was SSJ4 stronger than Gotenk’s Buu??? i also doubt this...so how do we decide in that small gap who is superior as i see this as too close?
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Ky wrote:
Okay, that’s fine. If somebody created a fanfic where a character was SSJ 100, guess you’d accept that, too. It has the title of DBZ, after all, right?
In all honesty, if it’s DBZ VS GT/movie character, I’m going to root for the original works over the other. If it’s GT/movie over someone else (say, Naruto), then obviously I’d choose GT.
Ok, let me break it down 4 u.
Akira’s Nephew wrote DBGT with Akira’s permissin. After written, Akira reviewed it and said that it was fine.
Ky wrote:
Yes. You DO realize that Dragon Ball GT was NOT written by Akira Toriyama (the creator), right? And that includes SSJ4? It was all basically a filler series. Not part of the real Dragon Ball storyline.
That’s why I never take into consideration characters like Omega Shenron, SSJ4 whatever, Brolly and so on. They never existed. Plus they’re inconsistent as hell.
First of all It would be nice if you responded to my proofs. Let me know how Mystic gohan makes up for the power gap between him being 4-5 times stronger than majin buu, to somebody like gt goku who is atleast as strong as majin buu just in his ssj1 form. The same SSJ1 form that was nothing compared to form 1 bebi vegeta. Yet in SSJ4 he was on par with a bebi atleast 20 times stronger. Once again I am showing that SSJ4 goku is 20 times stronger than majin buu where mystic gohan is only about 4-5 times as strong. Secondly, when gohan pan goten and trunks lend goku their energy, it works like a spark plug, they ignite his power. It is like a car battery that is dead, all it need is a spark to start running again. Half saiyans have greater potential than full blooded saiyans, but new levels of ssj can make up the difference very quickly. Mystic gohan did have awesome power in his day, but GT didn’t forget this, gohan just lost it by sitting on his butt. IT was never said that the mystic power would never go away.
Your million dollar question doesn’t work either, for a few reasons. Mystic Gohans base level was his strongest level. Second Gohan only fought frieza not cell and Frieza, and frieza was on earth again so he could be destroyed again, while when goku faced them they were hell so they couldn’t die. Next Goku played with them, while gohan went straight for the kill. While in hell they could not die, so how do you really beat them? I am positive Mystic Gohan could crush both of them, cell and frieza, not even a contest. The thing is that goku in is weakest form also was able to do this. a form that was atleast 50 times weaker than his SSJ4 mode.
The question to ask yourself is how much stronger is Gotenks buu than Majin Buu.
Since we know that Majin Buu = metal rildo we get a sense of power between the two series.
To prove you wrong would take more time than i have right now going through nearly every charicter so why not pick a certain fact to dispute and we can move forward from their
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well the forum is Mystic Gohan vs SSJ4 Goku. So lets just focus on that. you believe Mystic is stronger, I believe that SSJ4 Goku is stronger than Mystic. Comparing Mystic Gohan vs Gotenks Buu and SSJ4 Goku vs Syn Shenron. Give them full power, and tell them to go at it, I believe that Goku would come out on top. You can like gohan better you can like DBZ better, and even when DBGT was horribly written and very uneven, the facts that they give in the show are there and we have to go by those facts even if we don’t like them.
I don’t see how Syn Shenron is stronger than Gotenk’s Buu tho and it’s speculation to say who you belive will win with no clear winner in sight.
Like i belive that Gohan could have beaten Buu due to the fact Denda healed him and Gotenk’s Buu was about to defuse anyway, the only reason the saga continue’s is cus Goku show’s up and cut’s Buu’s tentikle of allowing him to absorb Gohan i mean...duh Goku right, sure u can say he was going to destroy the earth with a blast that waisted what a mountain when it blew up after Goku interffeared but it’s all speculation really.
as for SSJ4 he struggled massively against Nova Shenron nevermind Syn who was intern stronger than Nova so tough call buddy
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Goku fought evenly with syn shenron after he surpassed his limits up until the point where syn absorbed the dragonballs. either way, I still say the key here is the fact that Majin buu= metal rildo, this is the only power comparison that we have from the two series. I can prove that ssj4 goku was at least 20 times stronger than metal rildo, can you proove that Gohan was 20 times stronger than majin buu?
I don’t care if you don’t like SSJ4 goku, he is still a lot stronger than mystic gohan. Even at full power mystic gohan is only about 4 times stronger than Majin Buu, SSJ4 goku is about 20 times as strong. So atleast 4-5 times stronger than mystic gohan.
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